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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I don't think Strati has good descs other than LxE/EXI maybe. There is also a lot of socio-ESI-fanfiction as well.
    Yea her description sounds like an IEE-Fi with ennagram 3, so I think she only actually based herself on 1 or 2 IEEs she knew. But hey, it's a thread about stereotypes anyway
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    Strati’s SEI is good in my book but the descriptions do seem written for people that want to read about themselves. They may not be useful for someone outside of type. For example way she writes how IEI like to talk about how they use their contacts to get what they want makes it sound as if they’re manipulating people to get the position of manager when in reality it’s more like your IEI grandma telling you how she jumped the line at the bank because she knows the clerk.
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    I'm not an oversensitive hippie that cries myself to sleep when thinking about all the atrocities happening in the world. I'm too self-centered to care


    I feel that way about a lot of IEEs tbh. They can play the role of 'caring person' pretty well but it's just a role. It's fake and 'business-y.' Their real self is just too self-centered to care I agree. Knowing the right thing to say politically or for SJW brownie points is a lot different than actually 'giving a damn' of course.

    Oh don't get me wrong either it also doesn't bother me unless I was somehow really personally invested in what the IEE was doing maybe (which is highly unlikely as I'm not that close with them) In fact out of all the deltas IEEs are probably my favorite even though I know they are fake two-faced whores lol. ((I probably like IEE/SLI/LSE/EII in that order))


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    Strati seems to get great satisfaction when she sends the whole nest of africanized bees after a reader given that they are type representative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    I feel that way about a lot of IEEs tbh. They can play the role of 'caring person' pretty well but it's just a role. It's fake and 'business-y.' Their real self is just too self-centered to care I agree. Knowing the right thing to say politically or for SJW brownie points is a lot different than actually 'giving a damn' of course.
    Wow wow wow! Step down from your high horse of judgement, I don't think I'm representative of all IEEs & knowing the right thing to say doesn't necessary mean you don't care. I think all NFs have a consciousness of human suffering in a way or another(personally I just decided I had enough going on in my own life) and I know a lot of IEEs that are engaged politically or otherwise. It's just that the authenticity you're accusing them of lacking is expressed with 'businessy' Te instead of Fe: for example becoming a sustainable entrepreneur instead of staging protests or writing a theater piece about climate change or some other beta NF stuff(I caricature a bit).

    It's nice to "care" like I see some IEIs do, but from a Fi/Te point of view, you giving a damn needs to be expressed in how you actually manage/organize the world. Otherwise it's just words and emotional hysteria which don't change anything. At least that what Te would say about Fe.

    But yea I also know IEEs that are Fe-fake. But it's the same with IEIs & Fi, some pretend to be super sensitive and cute and oriented towards warm and respectful relationships when in fact they are 100% that calculating sneaky bitch underneath.
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    lol I wasn't judging you for being that way though. I appreciated your honesty. =)

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    @BandD yea I know no worries you made a faulty generalization tho & I tried to provide you with some nuance
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    But yea I also know IEEs that are Fe-fake. But it's the same with IEIs & Fi, some pretend to be super sensitive and cute and oriented towards warm and respectful relationships when in fact they are 100% that calculating sneaky bitch underneath.
    You triggered my bad memories and experiences with beta NFs (often sneaky typing as delta NFs) that way

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    (BandD probably remembers me ranting about those, hello bro)

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    I like hugging people and making them feel safe.
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    not anal enneagram type 1 organized neat freak LSI.
    More like easy going 6w5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
     
    I like hugging people and making them feel safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
     
    I like hugging people and making them feel safe.

    My SLI bestie is like this too

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    I don't avoid conflict like it's said Delta NF's do. I prefer putting idiots in their place. I once beat the crap out of the high school bully cunt who'd shit on everyone when he came up to me, I even stabbed him with some blade that wasn't sharp. After that I started humilliating him every day in front of everyone.

    I also shoved my fingers into some SEE dude's eyes when I was a kid, out of rage, coz he told me something that I disliked so I attacked him.

    Hmmm, also threatened my sister's introverted ST ex about killing him face to face. Then I slashed his bike's wheels with a knife when highly drunk and on coke.

    I like letting most sensors know i'm superior to them, because I hate them.

    Out of that, I don't like fighting or anything, it just happens when I lose my shit, I have had explosive anger issues.

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    An ILE friend told me this some years ago:

    "I think you are introspective and abstract. You are philosophical. You are "head in the clouds". This seems like N, not S. You seem intellectual. You are a thinking person, not a person of the senses."

    I feel so misunderstood
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    -Not as disagreeable (most of the time)
    -Not as curious
    -Not as delusional
    -Not a big reader
    -Not interested in theories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    An ILE friend told me this some years ago:

    "I think you are introspective and abstract. You are philosophical. You are "head in the clouds". This seems like N, not S. You seem intellectual. You are a thinking person, not a person of the senses."

    I feel so misunderstood
    SEIs can give that impression. I knew an SEI priest who was typically so quiet and withdrawn that children were intimidated by him. He gave the impression he was living in another world, constantly thinking cold thoughts, and perhaps didn't need to eat food to live, like a vampire. He didn't usually take the initiative to speak to anyone, especially in a crowd, and would often sit alone. It was only if you saw him actually communicate with people that his Fe was evident, and the impression of austerity would melt away entirely. He was in fact a kind and gentle person, to elderly people and animals especially.

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    I don't think I am that Fe polr. I am also not a know-it-all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    SEIs can give that impression. I knew an SEI priest who was typically so quiet and withdrawn that children were intimidated by him. He gave the impression he was living in another world, constantly thinking cold thoughts, and perhaps didn't need to eat food to live, like a vampire. He didn't usually take the initiative to speak to anyone, especially in a crowd, and would often sit alone. It was only if you saw him actually communicate with people that his Fe was evident, and the impression of austerity would melt away entirely. He was in fact a kind and gentle person, to elderly people and animals especially.
    yeah that's the wisdom of Socionics/Jung that just because a person is introverted and has an inner world doesn't meant that it is "thoughts" or "ideas" etc. It can as well be sensing, like in SEIs.

    Maybe I should have become a priest also, like the man you mentioned. Would have been nice to work for greater spirituality, and take care of the liturgy in church, there's at least some Si in that environment. Might be some nasty Te though. When is the choir gonna sing and how to give a sign to the organist to start playing? The priests I've typed have been EIE, EII and ESI. Not many. The EII stumbled on some Te stuff when my friend's son got baptized.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    A SEI priest, with a secure monthly pay from the archdiocese, would have free his mind from earthly matters enough to withdraw to meditate on theological issues and books. That would be the fun part. Much more harder for a priest of that type is to deal with a varied congratation and not be overcome by pessimism at times or lack of patience for the crazies that hang out at your church.

    On topic now: I don’t give people food. An attentive IEI or an EII with a knack for cooking would be more likely to give out food. Where do people get the idea that an SEI, generally reticent to work more than it’s necessary, would make time to bake for anyone or rushing to work with weak Ni, stop to buy candy for people s/he works with? Please.
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    I don't "... as if in a kaleidoscope see[s] whimsical iridescent imagery, dissolving then receding in flux."


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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    I don't "... as if in a kaleidoscope see[s] whimsical iridescent imagery, dissolving then receding in flux."

    Exactly the same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpyvic81 View Post
    Like what is it for you in the way you relate to it? Like you listed bodily coordination and awareness of sensory stuff as also not being like you, so what else is left.
    Oh I'm aware of sensory stuff, too aware to the point of frequent annoyance. Good to keep in mind that Si is an internal thing, my being shit at all this external stuff is likely poor use of Se and while business sense and such is commonly associated with Te, that isn't what Te is about. I won't go into details as to why I'm an SLI as I don't feel like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    I'm not an oversensitive hippie that cries myself to sleep when thinking about all the atrocities happening in the world. I'm too self-centered to care

    More seriously: I'm not that tactful, outgoing or emotionally demonstrative and most new people scare and drain me. I don't play ethical 'games', like in the article by Strat. I can be harsh when someone gets on my nerves too much. Very very daydreamy and scattered.
    Can relate. Tho new people don't scare me, I tend to scare them.

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    I don't actually like drama or people who cause drama. That shit is cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    I don't actually like drama or people who cause drama. That shit is cancer.
    yeah in interpersonal context that is Fi domain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homicidal Maniac 007 View Post
    yeah in interpersonal context that is Fi domain.
    thought it was Fe lol

    In the real world outside socionics though it's neither Fi nor Fe... it's emotional & psychological baggage of people coming to the surface

    And that's a way better explanation than calling it Fi or Fe.

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    I have a sense of timing and reserve, which I am also really meta-analytical about.

    I honestly don’t think this should technically go too much against stereotypes though because you need to have a sense of timing to create a focused impact.

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    I'm an ESI and I have terrible coordination and usually bad awareness of my surroundings, even though I frequently worry about them and sometimes appreciate, enjoy, feel well with my body how they look... so occasionally I'll be hyper-aware, but I'm usually hypo-aware. I tend to live in my head, attending to thoughts, fantasies, emotions, memories a lot even when it's dangerous to not pay attention to my surroundings.

    I often value, am impressed by inventiveness and logic (not necessarily pragmatism) more than morality.

    I don't know where the poor coordination and usually low environmental awareness came from, both of my parents have much more awareness of their surroundings and don't have much problem with coordination. I am on the Autism Spectrum.

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    I have vast amounts of empathy and loyalty but I hold back to protect myself. Even if I don't intrinsically like a person, there's a part of me that feels for them.

    I see most of my relationships as well-intentioned transactional dynamics

    I find strong emotiveness and constant contact to be draining.

    I find social protocol to be overwhelming but am always aware of it.

    I value science and facts over religion and faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post

    I feel that way about a lot of IEEs tbh. They can play the role of 'caring person' pretty well but it's just a role. It's fake and 'business-y.' Their real self is just too self-centered to care I agree. Knowing the right thing to say politically or for SJW brownie points is a lot different than actually 'giving a damn' of course.

    Oh don't get me wrong either it also doesn't bother me unless I was somehow really personally invested in what the IEE was doing maybe (which is highly unlikely as I'm not that close with them) In fact out of all the deltas IEEs are probably my favorite even though I know they are fake two-faced whores lol. ((I probably like IEE/SLI/LSE/EII in that order))

    I knew an IEE who was fiercely SJW but bullied me for being an addict among other things lol
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    I am self aware and analytical.

    I am soft and easily pressured.

    I am not the loudest energy in the room or the star of the show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flames View Post
    I knew an IEE who was fiercely SJW but bullied me for being an addict among other things lol
    If it's ok to ask... what did he (or she, but most IEE are male, so probably he) do to bully you? Deltas can be pretty disturbing to me at times (and as you know, IEE can quite rigidly adhere to gender norms and be unhappy even bitter when people don't adhere to those), but I had wanted more info on what IEE bullying behavior was like, so that's why I decided to ask you. Sorry if it wasn't ok to ask.

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    Stereotypes is what supposed to be common - among the most.
    LSE have no significant interest to psychology and do not write to psycho forums, in common. It's NF region and TS should be the least there.
    LSE are not common in esoterics practicing as it's Ni - their weak nonvalued region. I do not think myself as big fan of that, but used a little since teenager times. I have experiences to think objective side of what relates to esoterics, though esoterics is not what I think as controlled good enough. On time it may work as should and then don't, what makes it as doubtful to be used seriously. It can be used as additional method and when close to common psychology of an imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    I mildly dislike the daily grind of makeup and cooking, so I avoid them as often as possible. Occasionally I like to dress nicely and make a cute bento box but most of the times it's spending 5 minutes in the morning selecting boring sad-looking clothes with the bonus of being easy to match to squeeze the most sleeptime out of the day. I have a slouching problem and eyebags, probably a lifestyle + genetics issue. Appearance-wise, fits the ILI description a lot more than Si ego.
    I had an SLI GF and this was pretty dead on for her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    If it's ok to ask... what did he (or she, but most IEE are male, so probably he) do to bully you? Deltas can be pretty disturbing to me at times (and as you know, IEE can quite rigidly adhere to gender norms and be unhappy even bitter when people don't adhere to those), but I had wanted more info on what IEE bullying behavior was like, so that's why I decided to ask you. Sorry if it wasn't ok to ask.
    Would you be able to elaborate a bit on IEEs rigidly adhering to gender norms? I think that's really interesting. I've always been very against gender norms, and tend to be openly emotional/warm so as to de-stigmatize male emotionality (even if I keep my deeper feelings to myself or incredibly close friends). That's sad that so many IEEs have reacted poorly/dogmatically in relation to that.

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    Surprisingly, not many. Decisive check, bad at cleaning, check, hard working, check, hates doing little tasks, and would rather pay things off check. I do want to learn to do a flip, but I'm afraid I'll hurt myself. That's the only thing that doesn't mesh. And I can explain it simply. My spider sense tells me it's dangerous to do that. I joke, but if the most imbalanced person tried to do a flip, what would happen? How did I reach that conclusion?
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    I don’t really like competition unless it pertains to businesses or sports. I think everyone should get a golden star for being special and unique.

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    While I would love to be able to do a flip onto a moving snow mobile from a helicopter, nobody does that. That's how you die. Considering on the scales of easy things to assume, that's probably incredibly easy, and that LIE is good at assuming things with adequate data, I have no idea why someone wrote this into the definition. Has anyone done this before even?
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