In fact I found him pretty uncharismatic and emotionally plain to be Fe.
There are ppl from all quadras supporting or being against one thing or another depending on a lot of variants. And I think that for typing effectively we should get rid of social or political prejudices.
Also I don't have a particular opinion about blm either. I mean theres racism and discrimination in many levels ofc, but I don't tend to follow social movements or be persuaded by media.
I find it a little ironic that he mentioned distrusting media and how they can paint something a certain way while from the very beginning his video gave me this vibe of...doing exactly that. I’m not saying the graffiti was okay but he is obviously painting it a certain way.
The democratic party are not alinged with BLM and leftist. Biden is your run of the mill spoiled shit stain rich boy politician who despises the poor. Just listen to how he talks about communist countries, or the key role he played in the middle east wars. Democrat/Liberal politicians merely recognize the pragmatic value of placating leftist with lip service and petty reforms unlike radical far-rightist like Trump. The conflict between democrats and republicans is similar to the conflicts between Trotsky and Stalin, where both share the same ultimate end goal but end up fighting because one sees the other as too idealistic and radical while the other one sees the other as betraying the cause, only this time the goal they share in common goal is imperialism instead of communism.
As I've said before, I tried in earnest to deny the existence of a divinity. I failed. Thus, I tried to ascertain the nature of this divinity. The only one that stood up to the rigor of a man who sought to deny divinity was the Christian/Catholic conception. Thus, I'm a practicing Catholic. If you can tell me an argument I've failed to hear before that, in your eyes, makes me look like a misguided fool I'll give ya a cookie as I dismantle it .
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Three members of my immediate family did degrees in theology, and two were preachers. However, I learnt nothing from them.
You are accusing me of blasphemy simply for beliefs I honestly hold. If an ideology damns people for thought crimes, then it must be a very sorry ideology indeed. And you don't even say what I said that qualifies as blasphemy.
Does Jesus have a Y chromosome? If yes, what hablogroup is it? This could easily be tested and matched with the flesh and blood of the Eucharist.
If you make a claim, shouldn't you be the one to make an argument for it, rather than me making an argument against it? I don't need to debunk a claim there is no evidence for.
If they're not/do not than they're literal heretics and it's no wonder you learned not a single thing from them. Also, while it damns for so called "thought crimes" as you'd apparently define them, it also offers absolution for any and all sins (a thing SJW's don't BTW). We all sin, save for Jesus, Mary, and the all the saints (though with the caveat that they did most egregiously right up until they stopped and sinned no more. My patron Augustine practically wrote the books and even recited a prayer that made that fact patently obvious).
As for the Eucharist, there is a documented miracle where the host was put to scientific scrutiny and it did return the result you're asking for. That is, it registered as human flesh and blood. Francis himself was there to witness it I recall (hence why I find his apparent lack of fervor troubling). Explain that away will you?
Of course, you will find a way no matter how outlandish it will sound to any truly neutral observer. Sad fact is, most people can only really be "converted" once their former faith has been shattered. That's quite hard to do if an aspect of that faith is a foundational part of one's own concept of Identity. I suspect your Atheism is on that level. Thus, I'd have to literally walk on water whilst wearing but a few rags to preserve my decency to get you to even open up to the possibility I'm right.
I'm on the same plane from your perspective. You'd have to do something on that level to get me to consider that maybe there really is no God at all. We are sadly at an impasse. An unstoppable force vs. an immovable object. Words will never suffice to convince us of the other's validity. Only things we experience with own lying senses will serve to open us up to the possibility of being persuaded by the other. Sad, but such is human nature.
This is, sadly, a dynamic I'm seeing replicated on things that are far less important. Politics for instance. At least those who war for their "god" war with the hope/knowledge that they get a happy ending no matter what. Political partisans? Well, if their side loses they're fucked. Better to focus on things more worthy of that level of energy and commitment.
Last edited by End; 11-12-2020 at 04:50 AM.
The papacy is a Catholic invention, I understand that in the New Testament, Jesus said "Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven", and also, he built the church on himself, not on Peter or anybody else.
Now that the election is over, the police shootings seem to have ended. Well what a giant surprise! Who could have predicted it? Well me, actually - I predicted that about 7 months ago, right when they began. I must be a clairvoyant or something.
They actually kind of ended a month prior, right after a poll came out showing Americans were becoming aware of / disapproving of BLM due to the general mayhem they were causing. That was right after Trump started promoting himself heavily as the law and order candidate and remedy to the mayhem. It was losing the democrat party votes so we kind of stopped hearing about it.
Just like in 2016, when these mass shootings of blacks started right prior to the election... lasted the duration of the election, then we stopped hearing about them shortly afterwards and they didn't arise again until the next election. Man, you people are really gullible, aren't you? Really fucking dumb, too.
In a country of 350 million people, where the police have body cameras and car cameras, there will always be a supply of newsworthy police shootings of blacks. There are about 400 police shootings of blacks a year, in a span of 2-3 months you will have about 100 video incidents or so, you will be able to find 1 that is controversial enough to be newsworthy. Reacting to these videos as if this alone is proof of some giant system wide problem is simply irrational and moronic. Responding by destroying things / harming innocent others is equally moronic. Shielding those who do such things with deflections and obfuscation just makes you a corrupt little fucktard. The statistics do not suggest there is more of a problem than you'd expected given the crime rates. Anecdotes are not evidence of system wide problems. All this is, and has ever been, is an effort to turn out blacks to vote. Blacks are a very important voting demographic. They vote about 90% democrat... every black you rile up to vote is a vote that sways the election. It's an important demographic. The story is political propaganda, it isn't complicated, it is fucking obvious. The people that told you the story were fully aware that it was bullshit, they are actually amazed at how gullible you are. Now... I know very well this isn't going to penetrate your skull, because nothing ever does, but I figured for the sake of all those reading I'd point it out.
I've debated with imbeciles such as yourself too many times to hope that real thought might penetrate your skull, just thought I'd point out how little original thought you actually have.
Last edited by returnofxenu; 11-22-2020 at 06:38 AM.
One may hold the Truth to be overrated, but the consequences of denying or ignoring said truth are hard to overstate and all of them are bad for said denier/ignorer.
Oh yes, we can formulate a rather outlandish instance where it may be true, but that instance is unlikely to ever happen. And even if it somehow did, could we really fault the person for refusing to do that deed on basic principle? I mean "rape this kid, damn yourself to hell, yet save 100 trillion innocent lives" isn't a consideration any serious ethical philosopher thinks about because it's utterly absurd. How the hell could one even construct the occurrence of that circumstance? You'd need a mind more vile and perverse than Marquis de Sade himself to have a chance at successfully doing so!
Point is, there are things that are categorically and objectively right and/or wrong. To deny that denies morality itself. To say "The ends justify the means" is to say that the concept morality itself is bullshit. People need morals, they crave a system of morality. Only sociopaths can operate without one. Even then, they still have one. "Whatever is good for me is moral and whatever is not is immoral" is their system. If that formulation of some people's moral code doesn't scare, horrify, or disgust you in some way well...
@End I was here 4 years ago and you were on here. You're still here, wasting your time with these people...
I'm not really sure why I came back here, I'm sure I'll leave soon. But you need to get off this thing. Your life is going nowhere associating with these people, they're complete losers, they will be on here lying to and circle jerking one another for another decade, some of them will probably be here on their deathbeds. They don't listen to a word anyone says...
And that's not an advocating of whatever you're saying now, I haven't even read it, nor am I inserting myself into the above conversation. Nor is it even really an advocation of your opinions in general... Really I am just asking myself why you bother with people that are fundamentally opposed to you and will not hear a word of what you say. I'd actually ask @Eliza Thomason the same question.
You don't need to be trying to convince these people of anything. Tbh I'm not even sure they think at all, I'm starting to question whether some of them might be legitimately retarded. SubT for example.
Just get off this thing, there's nothing for you here.
There are people out there who are far more normal than these mental deranged fucktards, they might actually consider your opinion and give you some modicum of respect... you might actually have some chance of forming meaningful bonds with these people. Go look for them and you will find them.
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Its not completely fruitless xenu, you have a better chance finding a good life partner online in places like these, than you do in most other places today. I used to be of that mindset, went out, got a degree, got a car, became a Military Officer, got a house, and yet with all those things i have only met mostly shitty people in person.
Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years
Donald Trump has made warnings about the threat of antifa and “far-left fascism” a central part of his re-election campaign. But in reality leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists, new research indicates, and antifa activists have not been linked to a single murder in decades.
A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator.
Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database.
More broadly, the database lists 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks since 2010 , and 117 victims of rightwing attacks in that same period – nearly six times as much. Attacks inspired by the Islamic State and similar jihadist groups, in contrast, killed 95 people since 2010, slightly fewer than rightwing extremists, according to the data set. More than half of these victims died in a a single attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016.
'It is serious and intense': white supremacist domestic terror threat looms large in US
White Supremacists Killed More Americans Than Muslim Extremists in Recent Years, Terrorism Report ShowsAs the FBI director, Christopher Wray, told Congress in February, “racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists” have become the “primary source of ideologically motivated lethal incidents” in the US. The danger overshadowed the jihadist threat that has dominated the security debate since 9/11.
Last year was the deadliest on record for domestic extremist violence since the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995. White supremacists were responsible for most of that bloodshed in 2019 – 39 out of 48 deaths, including 23 people who died at the hands of an anti-Hispanic racist in El Paso, Texas, and a Jewish worshipper murdered at Poway Synagogue in California.
In the U.S., 64 victims were killed in 34 terrorist attacks by white supremacists and white nationalists between 2015 and 2019, the report showed. The only groups with more deaths attributed to their attacks were jihadi-inspired extremists, though the GTD said anti-government extremists matched the white supremacists' fatality numbers. In comparison, the report showed seven people were killed in the U.S. during the same time period as a result of Muslim extremist terrorist attacks.
Newsweek reached out to the Department of State's Bureau of Counterterrorism for comment but did not receive a response in time for publication.
Though white supremacy has been a point of concern in the U.S. for years, attention on racially motivated attacks by white supremacists has increased since President Donald Trump took office in 2016. Some of that attention has been attributed to Trump's hesitation to condemn white nationalists during his first year in office after a rally held to protest a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia turned deadly.
Why don't you talk about the black guy who shot a 5 year old in the face for stepping on his lawn, I have yet to see a white person ever do such a thing to a non white kid.
Every single case BLM complained about can be said to not be a black and white situation regarding the death. Floyd being high on drugs and his death likely being a result of drugs rather than a knee on his neck, Breanna Taylor being in the same house that was shooting back at the police and was trafficking drugs, but of course I'm sure the police could have done a better job for the people who love to sit on the sidelines and criticise law enforcement without actually doing it themselves or living in a place where it is relevant.
The US is not at the top of the list for police related violence by country. For Western nations it is, but this isn't surprising, again we simply have far more guns and more violent crime than other Western nations. You can argue this is a reason to reduce the number of guns, and I am actually fine with that. But your argument is not that there is an elevated rate of police violence in the US, you claimed there is killing of blacks due to racism in the police force and that this problem is system-wide. Where is the evidence this is due to racism? When you look at the crime statistics by race and compare them with the breakdown of police shootings by race, the statistics are what you'd expect.
Mexico has alot of guns and crime also, Mexicos rate of police violence is about the same rate as the United States. Is there systemic racism against Mexicans in the police force?
Your conclusion just isn't supported. Infact you didn't bother to make much of a case, I suspect you didn't actually think about this very much.
How do you explain the many other countries that have far higher rates of police related violence than the US? The US is not near the top, it's in the upper middle portion of the list, there are many nations with many more police related incidents. Is this all due to racism also...? You've provided no evidence for your argument.
Look at the countries near the top of the list - there are 60x the number of police related shootings in Venezuela than the United States. Is that due to racism in Venezuela...? Again, you just haven't provided any evidence for this "systemic racism" (I cringe even using the term, it's so ill defined). Try again
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"The subjects in the experimental condition initially rated Nathalie much more negatively than did the subjects in the control condition. This was not surprising, considering that they had just learned she was a thief and a drug dealer. The interesting question was whether cognitive ability would predict attitude adjustment—that is, the degree to which the subjects in the experimental condition would rate Nathalie more favorably after being told that this information was false. It did: subjects high in cognitive ability adjusted their ratings more than did those lower in cognitive ability. The subjects with lower cognitive ability had more trouble shaking their negative first impression of Nathalie. This was true even after the researchers statistically controlled for the subjects’ level of open-mindedness (their willingness to change their mind when wrong) and right-wing authoritarianism (their intolerance toward others), as assessed by the personality test. Thus, even if a person was open-minded and tolerant, a low level of cognitive ability put them at risk for being unjustifiably harsh in their second evaluation of Nathalie."
Basically when you're not bright, you are more vulnerable to propaganda and have a much harder time shaking off things you're told. Even after it is proven to you that the information wasn't correct - the person that told you the information actually tells you they lied to you - if you're not bright you still believe the original information on some level. Pretty amazing, really.
Anyway, that's a formal charge, there have been a good number of murders during and around the protests, the mere fact they haven't been linked directly to the group is irrelevant. You're not a lawyer for Antifa, presumably you have some shred of concern over what's happening in the real world.
This article claims there are 25 deaths related to the protests:
When there are 25 deaths related to the protests, you have to hold the groups organizing the protests responsible.
Here's one officer in St. Louis that was executed by looters during the BLM protests:
You obviously didn't look very hard.
Anyway, you're trying to compare "white supremacists" - an idea, with Antifa / BLM - which are specific groups. If we wanted to examine how many killers over the past year sympathize with the ideas of BLM, well... considering blacks kill about 8K people a year in this country, and well over 3/4ths of them support BLM, we would by your logic claim that BLM ideology is responsible for the deaths of 6K people. Shitty argument but it's the same logic.
You kind of just look for things that reinforce your preferred viewpoint, and then argue for that viewpoint pedantically like you're a lawyer for the party. Almost like your brain has been switched off or something.
There's an endless supply of propaganda for soccer moms willing to tell you exactly what you'd like to hear, if that's what you're searching for you're going to find it. It's basically a self-reinforcing loop of ignorance that you get sucked into. When it comes to politics, you must always trust what you can see happening with your own eyes over what you are told.
The term white supremacy has actually been extended to apply to anyone that supports the structure of Western society... the term is basically meaningless at this point. People like "bikers for Trump" are now grouped in with "white supremacy". Traditional white supremacist organizations... like the KKK, are tiny organizations that are basically underground. They have no serious power or influence.
When you see an organization actively looting / burning buildings in cities across the country, an organization with far more political power that's taken seriously by vast numbers of people, that is the immediate concern. At some point what you actually see happening with your eyes should become important, assuming you actually are processing what you see and can still think at all. Judging by how you've been parroting the news word for word I'm really not sure if you can do that.
Of course this is all neither here nor there at this point, the election is over, I'm just kind of astounded by the level of stupidity you and so many others actually display. Then again... if you really are that dumb, subT, maybe I do need to be a little more compassionate toward you. I mean... you didn't choose to be dumb. You do need a lesson in humility, though - if you are dumb, don't presume you know what you're talking about. Listen to those that are smarter than you. You have to be willing to do that. Stupid ideas are dangerous, they're bad for society. We have to dispense with them.... I know you didn't choose to be stupid but you have to actually accept that you are and be willing to be wrong. Because you are wrong alot! Pretty much every time I see you speak you're saying some wrong and dumb, honestly.
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I quote your last bit because it is most illustrative as well. A "Karen" culture is a uniquely Western thing. In a multi-ethnic, multi-religious/moral society, there is only one question everyone's asking: "Who's in charge?" If that answer isn't made (or rather, not allowed to be made) painfully obvious by force of arms or strength of conviction it devolves into the SJW BS we're currently dealing with. The other sad factor you're probably missing is that people like me know the instant we try to fight and die for our beliefs we're actually handing the "Karens" their own victory.
Ask yourself, what would happen if someone tried to go full vigilante mode on some gangster rapist? Furthermore, let's assume said vigilante is of a pale extraction and the rapist is of a darker hue if you catch my drift. How do you think the MSM would portray him vs. the target of his righteous fury? Or, to make it even more simple and obvious, say I killed a filthy child/baby killer for, well, killing children/babies? If you're honest with yourself, you know the answer. And that's exactly why it won't ever happen until something major alters the current situation.
You are right insofar that there are frighteningly few who would fight and die for the beliefs. The more frightening thing, I'd say, is that those who would are smart enough to perceive the dystopian situation they're in know that the "losing" move is to fight and die. To fight and die for your beliefs right now, if they do not align with the agenda of the PTB of course, is to further said enemy's ends. Trust me, they wish I'd kill some lefty/commie on basic principle. They want nothing more than for the likes of me to "don the devil horns" in their perverse and farcical "morality" play. I refuse to give them what they want. Thus, the current impasse and, to my unending joy, their eternal frustration.
I know what they want from me, and I refuse to give it to them. This is a mentality I'd recommend to anyone who is suffering from the malaise of others. Why give them, vile evil and horrendous cretins they are, what they want? They want you sad, angry, feeling all manners of negative emotions with their probable hope that you kill yourself. What does a Christian care for the opinions and feelings of a hardcore Satanist? Why should an avowed Capitalist give the slightest of fucks about what a Commie has to say about their plans to help the poor? The former stand upon truth, and the latter upon lies. In regards to the latter examples, fuck em'!
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I know my God, and I accept him and all that entails. Most here have not and suffer for it. Indeed, most will not. Their own sense of identity being rooted in the active denial of any divinity. I must still try however. If I can but plant a seed that sprouts in even one of them than my time and efforts were worth it. Pathetic and sinful though I am, I at least helped to save one soul. That's enough.
At least I'm not letting this get in the way of my other goals and activities. As you've probably seen, I post in a rather infrequent manner most of the time. It'll probably get more infrequent as time goes on. As has yours, given how you had to create a new account recently. Like speaking to a friend you lost touch with in middle school only to meet again after graduating college...
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When all beauty is tarnished, when all thought is profaned
They'll cry out for men to invoke the iron rods again
Now this our secret flame will illuminate the night
And its sparks fly on the wind and set the world alight