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    I'm a Muslim, so yeah, but I'm not sure that I would describe Satan that way. Seems christian in origin and style, but what the heck. Yeah.

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    When all beauty is tarnished, when all thought is profaned
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    I think that if there is a god, Satan is just a scary muppet he uses to scare and test the masses.
    Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves."

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    I think it is good to avoid doing evil. It just creates mess and turmoil over all from the practical standpoint.

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    No, I do not renounce a satan, or a god, for the mistakes of humans. I believe if you need a scapegoat to blame when you fucked up then you haven't truly accepted your place in creation. You are not defenseless. The power for both "good" and "evil" are within you. Unfortunately some people just come out wired all wrong. Perhaps in the future we will be able to turn off some of those genes. If you need to blame anyone for evil then it would be more logical to blame god since he would have created it all, according to some belief systems.. I don't see the logic in blaming any mythological being for man's own ignorance and failures. It's fine to fail btw. If we are persistent and care enough we will finally get it right OR we will eventually destroy ourselves by not learning from the past. Either way problem solved.

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    Edgy take: I don't renounce non-existent beings

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    I don't believe there's a supernatural being who sits around telling people to masturbate and abort babies. I do, however, believe that it's possible, maybe likely, maybe even certain, that there is a kind of antithesis to God. It seems to me that for every action, including those performed by the supreme being, there is an equal and opposite reaction that occurs sooner or later unless something intervenes to prevent it. The universe left to its own devices tends toward equilibrium. If that's correct, then everything that God does gives birth to a force that would undo it. This antithetical force isn't necessarily evil, though; just as a good pencil has an eraser, a good supreme being has an antithesis, and for largely the same reasons. And so my answer is: no, I don't renounce Satan but rather consider him a necessary part of the eternal drama.

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    I would have to say no because I am too self-destructive and am not liberated from the darkness... Regardless of which religion, or how "the devil" or "ultimate evil" or whatever is defined, it involves being caught by illusions that lead one to ruin. The salvation or enlightenment offered by religions is how to free oneself from living in an illusion, providing clarity and opening one to being truly "good." If I do things to bring myself down, sabotage myself, tear myself apart, and create more suffering out of suffering, then basically I am caught by this "evil." Had I renounced it, this should not be the case. Unfortunately it is not so simple to renounce it, because I am caught in my own labyrinth in which darkness and light co-mingle and one can easily appear as the other. I imagine to even be free of this would require constantly maintaining some "higher awareness" and that it would be relatively easy to slip back into the shadows. I really do see the world as a dark place in which we try and fight for "the light" and so often can't reach it. However misguided, at least our efforts are in part, genuine.

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    YES.
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    Not really no. Sorry but in my life most people who were considered 'unclean' or criminal/satanic/dark/evil have been the ones that have truly been kind to me and most people who thought themselves as 'Godly' or righteous have been the most monstrous and horrible to me. /hugs @inumbra

    So that's why me and Chads say 'hail satan bro' when we have gay sex.

    God to me is the cruel one. God to me is the hateful one, the "Evil" one. God to me is harsh and unforgiving, too bright and light and all about punishment instead of love. Satan however is more like your cool best friend. It appeals to me more. Though I know I'm not good, just a perverted unclean demon thing- I know as soon as I think I'm 'good' is when I will do the most horrible fucked up shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    Not really no. Sorry but in my life most people who were considered 'unclean' or criminal/satanic/dark/evil have been the ones that have truly been kind to me and most people who thought themselves as 'Godly' or righteous have been the most monstrous and horrible to me. ..

    God to me is the cruel one. God to me is the hateful one, the "Evil" one. God to me is harsh and unforgiving, too bright and light and all about punishment instead of love. Satan however is more like your cool best friend. It appeals to me more. Though I know I'm not good, just a perverted unclean demon thing- I know as soon as I think I'm 'good' is when I will do the most horrible fucked up shit.
    You refer to the godly righteous here. Certainly the most sharply memorable ones are the hypocrites. They tend to make a lasting (offensive) impression, once the truth of who they really are is revealed. I am reassured that you say here: 'most people' - meaning, not all. Because I am confident that God has not left you without witnesses to who He truly is. He would not leave you without that. Please remember those true witnesses in your life, who were not hypocrites.


    Jesus warned us there would always be hypocrites and false teachers and prophets. He said:

    "Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?”
    And then will I declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
    - Matthew 7:21–23

    Also it is not fair to judge Christianity by those who claim to be one but don't live by the tenants of Christianity, is it?


    Satan is the wrong one to side with, BandD. Yes, he is charming, friendly and does a good imitation of being the one who has your backside. But he is a liar. He wants your eternal damnation, and he will never give up pursuing His goal of seeing you share his lot in eternity.

    You come to Jesus as you are, because he loves you now, as you are, flaws and all. It is by his grace and power that we improve. It is not by our own power that we improve, but His. Usually one baby step at a time.
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
    - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"

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    @ BandD, I am remembering what was told to me by a healing minister.

    I had gone for a healing to this powerful ministry, a 1:1 session where you are intensely prayed over for about 4 hours [it's calm and quiet, not dramatic], to cleanse you from all the satanic influences in life, from all the havoc wrecked on your soul by sins one chose or felt driven to commit, all the damage and trauma that messes one up including things that happened to us before we were even born. Like things in the womb, and generational sin. Truly we all need this and this is part of what Jesus wants for each and every one of us - to make us whole.

    I have mentioned I had this healing here on 16T a couple of times, but have never explained it, though I am not about to explain it now because it is so out of this world I think it will take a lot of words. But a significant thing is that the first person I met after the healing was my now husband, my dual, and as I have described here on 16T before, at that brief meting, I unexpectedly and unintentionally fell quite hard in love with him, which is something I had no desire to do with anyone ever again. Being married as duals has brought further healing and wholeness to both of us.

    There is so much to say about that, but what I want to tell you is what this healing minister said when I spoke to her on the phone, when, beforehand, she was explaining to me what the healing session that I was driving to CT for would be like. (She was trained in a ministry that has representatives all over the country and world, and further, there are other Christian healing ministries that do the same thing. I in fact found them for a truly messed-up PTSD friend, and I knew these ministries existed becasue of having long ago read John and Paula Sanford's books, Healing the Wounded Spirit and Transformation of the Inner Man.] She said:

    "Did you know that ALL of your thoughts originate from OUTSIDE of yourself?"

    I think I am remembering correctly that she said "all", not "almost all".

    This is what she said, and she was VERY firm and specific as she was presenting it as one of the solid premises this healing was based on. I was prepared to place myself in their hands for my healing (I was certain Jesus had led me there), so while I had never heard of this concept, I acknowledged it could be true and decided to accept it at least for the purpose of this healing, and then let time tell if it is still true.

    What it means is, just as you acknowledge here in your own post, there are only TWO sources of spiritual input, or, voices that speak to our soul, or, sources of our thoughts, as she said. Pure good, or pure evil. That is two: God, light and goodness and truth, who loves us and wants us eternally happy with Him in Heaven, and Satan, pure evil, who hates us and wants us eternally miserable with him in Hell. So she was saying, that ALL our thoughts originate not from ourselves, but from one of those two sources.

    I am as prideful as most everyone else, and I like to think my thoughts are all uniquely original to me. But, this idea that they all originate from outside ourselves ruined that for me. I cannot deny what she said, even though I often forget and revert to thinking it's all about me, much of the time. But because that one day of prayer permanent transformed me, taking away pain I have carried my entire life, that I was used to, revealing a new lighter me, I cannot discount that major premise that this healing was based upon.

    So, seek God, who is light and truth, and He will reveal Himself. He says, "Whoever seeks Me, finds Me." He always tells the truth.
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    I dont think satan is the author of sin in my theology. In Islam we believe humans have an evil drive called the nafs which can be channeled toward good, and that satan merely whispers suggestions into peoples hearts step by step to do the wrong thing with this drive and with their carnal self, but ultimately people are responsible for their own sin. Similar to Judaism actually. And similarly to Judaism satan was allowed to be a test so that people could be either higher than the angels (muslims dont believe satan is a fallen angel angels have no free will in islam they only do as they're told by God) or lower than animals since an animal's nature is to obey its carnal self without restraint, it's just instinct. But unlike Judaism satan's a bad guy but I'm not entirely sure Jews believe in satan come to think of it, at least not all sects

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    When Satan tells me not to do my homework, I do my homework. Satan is constantly trying to put seeds of future weakness in my life. Been there done that suffered the consequences one too many times to give in. But Satan has good points, so I try to make time for him

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    That is two:
    God, light and goodness and truth, who loves us and wants us eternally happy with Him in Heaven, and Satan, pure evil, who hates us and wants us eternally miserable with him in Hell. So she was saying, that ALL our thoughts originate not from ourselves, but from one of those two sources I think...
    No, I respectfully disagree. =D I think Satan is the one that really likes us and is just horribly misunderstood, God is the one that hates us because God is the one that wants to punish us for being 'bad.'

    God is 'overbearing' light which hurts you. God is like torturous, continuous light in your eyeballs when you'd rather sleep. God doesn't let your eyes heal you. He just burns you with his light, until you are nothing. God doesn't love you. He's just manipulating you. God wants to send you to Hell and watch you eternally suffer while he laughs at you. God pretends to invoke justice but he just wants an easy scapegoat so he can get away with looking like 'the good guy' when he's really the Bad Guy. The Light can harm and damage and the Shadow can mend and heal. The real natural world is usually mixed in with complex shades of gray. There rarely is a 'Pure' good or 'Pure' evil like you are talking about.

    God isn't goodness. There's no such thing as 'good.' God created people to bully and torment for his own fucked up amusement , nothing more. Satan accepts who I am. Satan accepts my 'weird', my freakishness; my sin and my homosexuality. Satan doesn't ask me to change those things about myself if I want his acceptance. Satan loves me this I know, for my Dark Grimore tells me so. God will love me maybe, if I obey him (refuses to capitalize the h because God needs to get over his own arrogance) and I become his slave- God's love is horribly conditional & sadistic. However even if I annoy or piss off Satan, even if I 'go too far' and become more evil than even Satan- even then he still loves me and doesn't try to punish me. Lucifier I am there for you. How shall I do your bidding today?

    Yes, Satan can 'hurt me too' as they are both powerful deities with tons more HP and stats then I have. But I'd rather be stabbed in the back by Satan then stabbed in the front by God. God [can] tell the truth, so what? As Anya on Buffy used to say "I told the truth all the time when I was evil."

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    They always say you should love yourself first, if you want others to love you in return.

    I do no renounce myself.
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    generational punishment is such an evil concept.

    what a messed up evil thing for a deity to allegedly do: sentence people who are related to someone who made a choice

    humans really ascribe awful ideas to whatever god they are talking about sometimes.

    "Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”" Christianity and Judaism
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    I think really the garden of eden story is about how to contend with an existence full of suffering and death, with the nature of life and all its horror. Adam and Eve took the exit out of the garden in which none of these things existed, in which they would be "happy" forever. The tree is just a door, and after they accessed it, they couldn't get back in. It wasn't really that God wanted to punish them, but that he couldn't prevent them from taking the exit. The whole thing is about trying to reconnect with a dream of eternity in which there is no hate, only love; no death but eternal life; no separation from those we love and we can be together forever; no pain or suffering of any kind.

    Really life is horror and the world's religions are about trying to cope with that horror, trying to understand it so it doesn't hurt so bad, so it isn't all consuming. This is because humans don't just suffer, they suffer due to their suffering... And although they can't stop the horror of life, they can find a way not to hurt so much because they are hurting, if that makes sense--to ease the mental torment.

    In a way it can feel like existence/life is flawed because every living thing has to harm other living things to sustain itself. If you want life, you must take life. And even then the world wears on you gradually grinding you down to dust. I mean it is, in a way, hell. This actually is being a vampire, damned, in a sense. And you just watch everything you are and everything/one you love slowly disintegrate (or not so slowly), helpless to stop it. Everything you have you will lose, so on and so forth.

    Religions and their stories just reflect this horror and provide ways to deal with it.

    ETA: and the other interesting problem was why weren't Adam and Eve just content in the garden? Why when everything was perfect and they had everything, was it not enough? It's like in religions that believe in reincarnation, why do we choose to continually be reborn so we can suffer all over again. It is like our nature is torn. No matter what there is something to lose. And perhaps living in some holy perfection isn't worth it to us either.
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    I was playfully trolling in the earlier post to make a point. I'll try to be a little more serious and clearer in my communication right now tho cuz I think it's an important lesson for everybody to learn.

    I think if there is such a thing as religion or true spiritual happiness, you're not going to get to the other side "denouncing" Satan, but by accepting him and loving him as a part of yourself- which will ironically allow you to step out of your ego and into the 'other side.' That is really what 'dark nights of the soul' are all about- you don't judge the darkness as "bad" and run away from it like a coward - you ride it out and go deeper into it. I don't just 'think' this , even. I know it. You don't read it somewhere either in a book although of course multiple books have said the same thing as I'm saying now, they just value Te better to charge you $9.99 for it. You have to experience it yourself.

    And people confuse themselves on what God really is, they tend to see him as a loving but perhaps firm, arrogant and wrathful (usually white and heterosexual male) authority figure. But it's not a gay guy up there either of course. It's not a person- it's a state of being, it's an egoless state where you see the physical, real creation of humanity without any judgments or perceptions. You see 'reality' and not your own previous projections of reality- and that non-ego reality usually is "beautiful" or as idealistically "good" as you thought- the same way a sunset or waterfall in nature is pretty. But ironically again, you don't get to these good, sweet and tender and truly uplifting moments in life by running away from the 'bad", or the 'Shadow.'

    And you can't eternally stay in 'Heaven' either- life is naturally challenging and I think to function you usually need some sort of an ego. In a non-dualistic world, of true shamanic beauty- the 'light' and 'evil' aren't opposing or battling each other eternally anyway. They are co-existing in non-dualistic love. The sun isn't hating the moon or vice versa that is a false story of Humans it seems to make life more 'interesting' and 'dramatic.'

    Okay so I lied. There is a gay guy 'up there.' Multiple gay male shamans and priests are having an Orgy in Heaven and that's the reason you all exist. I'm pretty knowledgeable about my spiritual journeys. (just bad at mechanical things) God told you that gay men are going to go to the 'dark place' instead - because God is a big troll and Gadfly. He likes to fuck with our minds. He trolls us all the time to see how much we're paying attention. As He knows it's not about Words, it's about real beings and real dimensions and real things. That's the thing. He's like that loud mouth and annoying Jew at the party that's going to argue with every thought you have until the next thing you know you're giving him money. Or hating him thinking you are loving him, or loving him thinking that you're 'an Athiest' to be cool to your friends but God Knows.

    So yes, if you want to know God, how he truly/really is- you ride the wave of uncertainties.

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    "Yet if you can go with this unexpected feeling and stick it out-"

    Well you know... Magic happens. Literally. (an oldie but goodie):

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    generational punishment is such an evil concept.

    what a messed up evil thing for a deity to allegedly do: sentence people who are related to someone who made a choice

    humans really ascribe awful ideas to whatever god they are talking about sometimes.

    "Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”" Christianity and Judaism
    Gods start out representing a culture's will to power, sometimes mutating afterwards. Man created god, so he can only be as evil as we are. If his utmost source is in us, then we deserve every newton of what he throws at us.

    Pre-judean mythology was consequentialist anyway as the feeling of pity was considered degenerate and absent from the ancient world. Defiling a sacred thing by accident has the same effect as doing it on purpose, causality doesn't give a crap what one's intentions were. Highborn die highborn and lowborn die lowborn, no matter what.

    This is consistent with modern genetic science. Interestingly, it was Anaximander the greek who first suggested we evolve from fish, and lucretius the roman who suggested natural selection (he didn't connect it to evolution). The building blocks of modern biologically theory were all there in place in the ancient world, as if waiting to be linked together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post

    Pre-judean mythology was consequentialist anyway as the feeling of pity was considered degenerate and absent from the ancient world.

    I highly, highly doubt that.
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    ok, here are just some (inconsistent) thoughts about this topic from what I've read and what I have understood so far:

    It blew my mind when I first read that Jung identified anti-Christ as "ideology".

    If Christ is "the way, the truth and the life" (obviously the Self), then anti-Christ is everything that leads away from this.

    The Self means tedious work at balancing and improving your real, lived life. Your relationships, neighbours, environment, love, work, social status, adventure, skills. What your real life consists of. It doesn't seem like anything spectacular. But it slowly grows.

    What seems spectacular though is a mass-movement. In a mass-movement the individuals own personality has no importance. There are people who think that they have found it, the real thing greater than life, but they are just vessels for some idea that has possessed them.

    The interesting thing is that illusion and falsehood is also real in a way, it is a part of life. So Satan is also something that one has to take into account. But it is a problem of later development. In order to get on the path of life you have to renounce Satan and stick to genuine life.

    There is personal evil (the personal Ego-Shadow), but then there is divine Evil, Satan, the shadow of the Self.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    As Jung said in Psychological Types:
    - Christianity represses both individualism and unconscious in favor of conscious and collective
    - unconscious and individual is seen as sin/devil/Satan
    - and I personally like my unconscious and my individuality (as usually gammas do)

    Hence, I hereby pledge my allegiance to my Lord and Savior SatanGoodboyCookieMaster69.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    It blew my mind when I first read that Jung identified anti-Christ as "ideology".
    So it was before Jung wrote anything: the Beast in Revelations is Rome and the Catholic mass concludes with the Creed, in which assistants renounce the earthly Roman lord and accept Jesus and their only Lord, rejecting Roman values. The Christian mass movement was not constituted by conscientious people but by people that pushed for the slow reconfiguration of moral values and it can’t be much of a puzzle if we think about organized lower-class movements in developing countries.
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    Correspondence & polarity. One can't really experience joy without sadness and the deeper the sadness the greater the joy.. same goes in reverse. The contrast is necessary. If the roots run deep, the tree will be mighty and reach for the sky. This does not mean however that one should embrace the fertile soil and rot in it. The goal should be to reach for the sky and you can't really do that without deep roots.

    To be an atheist is to be boring. What I'm saying is not an endorsement of darkness, I'm saying you have to experience darkness to appreciate the light. In principle this should be true despite people having different ideas as to what is good or bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    Absolutely cringe.. also wearing the symbol of death on it's ears. The cult of death, antithesis of life.. thats what this liberal garbage is.



    e_e this is why we can't have nice and crispy corn flakes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Absolutely cringe.. also wearing the symbol of death on it's ears. The cult of death, antithesis of life.. thats what this liberal garbage is.



    e_e this is why we can't have nice and crispy corn flakes..
    Dude, I heccin love the peace sign story

    From Cracked
    'Originally, it was an image of a dude slumped over in despair. Gerald Holtom, a British graphic designer, came up with the peace sign design in 1958 to be used at a protest against nuclear weapons. It's actually a kind of double entendre: People have adopted one interpretation of the symbol, two superimposed semaphore letters -- N and D -- which were meant to stand for "nuclear disarmament."

    But what we've forgotten was the primary image that Holtom was trying to portray: In his own words, his logo was meant to be a "human being in despair." The inspirational peace sign is in actuality a representation of a man who has lost hope in a world gone mad, stretching his arms out and downward in desperation and defeat. Holtom immediately regretted his depressing-as-hell image after it went mainstream and tried to change it by flipping it upside-down so that the arms were stretched up into the air. He could even have kept his semaphore imagery, because the V-shape in semaphore is a U, for "unilateral." But the alternative version failed to catch on.

    Instead, a depressed and defeated stick man became the inspirational symbol for every progressive movement of the late 20th century, from Vietnam to civil rights. We can suppose it wouldn't have caught on so well if he had gone with his alternative design of a stick man quietly slashing his own wrists.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    Dude, I heccin love the peace sign story

    From Cracked
    'Originally, it was an image of a dude slumped over in despair. Gerald Holtom, a British graphic designer, came up with the peace sign design in 1958 to be used at a protest against nuclear weapons. It's actually a kind of double entendre: People have adopted one interpretation of the symbol, two superimposed semaphore letters -- N and D -- which were meant to stand for "nuclear disarmament."

    But what we've forgotten was the primary image that Holtom was trying to portray: In his own words, his logo was meant to be a "human being in despair." The inspirational peace sign is in actuality a representation of a man who has lost hope in a world gone mad, stretching his arms out and downward in desperation and defeat. Holtom immediately regretted his depressing-as-hell image after it went mainstream and tried to change it by flipping it upside-down so that the arms were stretched up into the air. He could even have kept his semaphore imagery, because the V-shape in semaphore is a U, for "unilateral." But the alternative version failed to catch on.

    Instead, a depressed and defeated stick man became the inspirational symbol for every progressive movement of the late 20th century, from Vietnam to civil rights. We can suppose it wouldn't have caught on so well if he had gone with his alternative design of a stick man quietly slashing his own wrists.'
    Much better:



    Source: https://gabrieltamaya.co.uk/gallery/gallery-1/

    Animism and panpsychism...is fucking based (even if this would repulse OP)
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