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    Default Archetype center's typing is finished (And Adam is going to be mad)

    Turns out, ENTj.

    We have finished the analysis of your video and the result is as follows. You are indeed a bright representative of intuitive group of types, and in accordance to our methodology it is quite obvious that you are logic-intuitive type from Gamma (so INTP type version is quite close to our result), since you mostly manifest extraverted logic (or black logic — it is the logic of the objective world, the logic of natural and applied sciences) + introverted intuition, so our choice was among two intuitive types from Gamma — ILI and LIE. Also we found out that your type is extraverted (due to dominance of logic over intuition, + a quite significant black sensation answers + some other significant attributes), and you are definitely from central quadra (Beta or Gamma) with valued black sensation (and ability to struggle, to overcome difficulties) and white intuition (the value of time as an important life resource), so our result is Logical-Intuitive Extravert «Jack London» or «Pioneer».
    Intuitive-logical introvert has a bit different set of aspects in his speech — there should be dominance of introverted aspects (white intuition + white ethics and little black sensation), while you have the whole set of extraverted aspects: black logic + black sensation + black ethics (ILI ignores that info due to black ethics on blind spot function, or PoLR as it’s calles in western socionics).
    You will find attached our description of logical types from Gamma. Attached you will also find some brief terms that are used in Modern Socionics.


    Best regards,

    Timur Protskiy
    Head of Modern Psychology Center «Archetype»
    archetype-center.ru

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    Are these conclusions all they gave you, or did they provide a rationale as well, i.e. did they explain what was Te in your video and what was Ni, etc.etc.?
    “I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Are these conclusions all they gave you, or did they provide a rationale as well, i.e. did they explain what was Te in your video and what was Ni, etc.etc.?
    They provided me with this, and descriptions. I personally think they are right, at least at the Gamma NT part.

    I asked them for more detailed description and this was the response.
    Hello! Unfortunately, more detailed justification will require modern socionics teaching from the very beginning and up to the typing methodology. Our type and aspects description contains info to make general conclusion on the type.
    If you have any specific questions on dichotomies that were revealed in your answers or ‘why am I not the X type’ — feel free to ask them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frddy View Post
    Then it's probable that I'm just an EIE without much social experience then. Or I am a categorically mentally ill insufferable retard with insecurity problems, unable to reach a concrete answer given my mental or experimental inability to get the point of the theory.

    I have read some articles on socionics, and I have read Filatova's book (from which I have not learned anything that I had not read before).

    Some information elements I am unable to translate into practical application. I can transfer Fi, Se, or Ti among others, but I cannot transfer Fe, perhaps because of the trajectory of my life, or perhaps because at some point I may have fallen on the back of my neck and have definitely become mentally retarded.

    The case with Beta is that the general stereotype and the values ​​associated with the quadra fit me, I know that I am weak in Se and I know that I am incapable in Si, (in addition, I refer to the questionnaires) but I am unable to see what kind of role Fe plays in me, that is, I usually do not get what the other person wants to hear specifically, I am a mix between the most infuriating boredom and the most exaggerated cringe in social situations, I am unable to tell a funny story or do the right pacing with my gesticulation in order to make another person laugh at a joke and the few times that I have tried it has gone wrong, and a long list of things.

    It is possible that it is because perhaps throughout my life I have not socialized much and since the last comfortable social situation with more than one or two people that I have been in was four and a half years ago. Not counting a recent one that went disastrously wrong, in which it seems I made a very bad impression through excessively dark remarks. Curiously, a younger version of me could perfectly fit some of the EIE stereotypes (Highly ideological, arrogant, invested in revolutionary movements, etc)

    It may be that I am an EIE. curiously, while surfing the Internet a while ago I came across a quote about the unnameable that could apply to me perfectly (if they reflected reality)

    - "Reinhold Hainish [who was a personal friend of H**** in Vienna in 1909-1912] depicted H**** as a lonely, moody, introverted individual who would, at unexpected moments, break into loud, extended monologues."

    Reinhold Hainish book looks like an attempt to make him seem more relatable, but anyways, that man is supposed to be Fe-Leading individual. If this loving and not at all evil entity of light and peace that once bathed the world in a great embrace of nations and races was EIE, maybe I, even having much less power (and I think that is good for me and for everyone) but maybe more mentally deranged, can be perfectly EIE. It gives me a bit of impostor syndrome, but it is what it has. I will have to learn to be my own type.
    And yes, I know that comparing oneself to the unnameable is at the same time a reach for the highest forms of stupidity and egocentrism, but sincerely it doesn't matter if that aligns the theory and the diagnosis with the practical observance.
    ...... now you have your answer.

    HAH! I knew I should be able to get along with LIEs!

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    @Frddy, congratulations on your typing results. It can be nice to have some clarity in one’s life.

    Now that you know you are LIE, what are you going to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @Frddy, congratulations on your typing results. It can be nice to have some clarity in one’s life.

    Now that you know you are LIE, what are you going to do?
    Most probably spend less time in socionics and more in other things.
    Btw the "adam will be mad" was in a joking tone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frddy View Post
    Most probably spend less time in socionics and more in other things.
    Btw the "adam will be mad" was in a joking tone
    Doing lots of different things is a good plan. Getting stuck on one subject, as I have done, is an indication of some deep-rooted unresolved problems.

    And yeah, I figured that you were joking. Being an ENTJ is nothing to get mad about. It can be either a boon or a tragedy, depending on circumstances, but the condition itself is value-neutral. No better or worse than any of the other types.

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    Today typing is not much objective to suppose an opinion of one of typers as much meaningful. There is no objective certification of typing skills. There is no high typing match between experienced typers, in common. Protskiy mistakes even in own type as LSI, while having LII.

    Also when you know types theory what you say about yourself is lesser important as people may be prejusticed to have some types and distort the info for it, including unconsciously. The more what you say (unlike with your nonverbal) specially for a typing is used - the more you may fool a typer.

    So based on the said, your type can be other with a good chance.
    For example, by your video I supposed your type as introverted and some more possibility of P.
    To make a thread in a typing section having "And Adam is going to be mad" - a mention of a forum's member and his emotions is more expected from F types and much doubtful for base T types.

    It's good to be assured in your type only after positive IR checking with people IRL. Type them and check IR effects.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Today typing is not much objective to suppose an opinion of one of typers as much meaningful. There is no objective certification of typing skills. There is no high typing match between experienced typers, in common. Protskiy mistakes even in own type as LSI, while having LII.

    Also when you know types theory what you say about yourself is lesser important as people may be prejusticed to have some types and distort the info for it, including unconsciously. The more what you say (unlike with your nonverbal) specially for a typing is used - the more you may fool a typer.

    So based on the said, your type can be other with a good chance.
    For example, by your video I supposed your type as introverted and some more possibility of P.
    To make a thread in a typing section having "And Adam is going to be mad" - a mention of a forum's member and his emotions is more expected from F types and much doubtful for base T types.

    It's good to be assured in your type only after positive IR checking with people IRL. Type them and check IR effects.
    It's actually the most fitting if we go through ITR, which is one of the things that has made me trust this typing.

    If what ails you is that one can get into the role of a sociotype and its semantics can seem specifically of that sociotype, do not worry, until this moment I was doubting. I spoke spontaneously as things came to mind. The point is that I believe the semantics method is correct, because what is being analyzed is not the speech, but the effect of cognitive processes on speech.
    While I was waiting for the diagnosis to come, I thought it was going to be some Beta sociotype, due to some of my answers.

    The "Adam will be mad" thing is a simple joke that I came up with.
    And let's not forget that they've seen an hour long video, while the one posted here was very short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Doing lots of different things is a good plan. Getting stuck on one subject, as I have done, is an indication of some deep-rooted unresolved problems.
    That's funny, for some other types it is exactly the other way around ;-)
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    @Frddy
    base T types tend to gather opinions, other data and then think themselves having the known. they are lesser naive in logical themes, especially with evident high speculativity as today typing

    I had opinions about own type from 3 relatively experienced ones. Those opinions seems even matched on LSE as primary version. And I doubted for monthes between different types, and in Socionics in general, until made a check by IR. Objectivity - the main trait of base Te and they prefer good basis to trust. You are other.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Let's go by parts.

    First, it is false that Timur Protsky selftypes as LSI only by himself, this diagnosis was made by Victor L. Talanov.

    Second, of course the diagnoses are never entirely reliable, since each socionist uses different methodologies, and in some cases, they operate through different schools.

    I think a semantic analysis (that is, not an analysis of what you are saying, but of the underlying influence of information elements on the way you formulate and obtain information) is reliable, and the Archetype center questionnaire does not ask you only about your life or your values, but about definitions and interpretations of works by means of which I imagine they assign the sociotype. In comparison to other methods, I believe it is more reliable (if you search the forum, you will see my opinion regarding related topics in these threads
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...te-to-the-most
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ing-qualities-!).
    Archetype center also has the experience of psychological analysis of more than 5000 socionic and psychosophic typings, and the price of the diagnosis is very cheap compared to other typings, so it is perfect for me.

    In any case, I think the typing is right because of the aforementioned and also because it fits, especially in intertype relationships, but also in most other aspects. In intertype relationships, LIE fits me like a glove.
    So I'm staying with LIE, until someone poses a coherent and reasonable argument against it. I don't see it expedient to discard their typing and everything else (from descriptions to ITR) because on a 15 minute video I had some random movement, for example.

    To finish, have you come to think that the fact that despite researching on socionics and having a sociotype that fits, you have needed three diagnoses to definitively see that you are LSE, can perhaps point more to that you are judicious than to anything else? Because the difference between your experience and mine differs only on the quantity of diagnosis, and I'm not willing to spend 200 euros more on typings right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frddy View Post
    Let's go by parts.

    First, it is false that Timur Protsky assigns himself as LSI, this diagnosis was made by Victor L. Talanov.
    He assigns himself that type regardless of who else typed him that I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psych View Post
    He assigns himself that type regardless of who else typed him that I think.
    https://archetype-center.ru/socionic...ogo/#more-2101

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    I asked him just a few days back what his socionics type is and he said LSI

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    I have edited it. He self-types as LSI, but his typing is not due to himself and himself alone, it's also due to diagnosis (Talanov)

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