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    I had a childhood friend whose mom was a retired porn star. I never asked why she chose porn, but I can tell you that they lived in a large secluded home near the top of a mountain. Her mom was in her early 40s at the time, which is a young age for a woman to be retired. [Edit: just looked her up and apparently she was also a business woman. In the 1990s she began buying up the rights to pornographic images and reselling them to early internet websites] She was unmarried but had a long-term boyfriend who I remember took us camping once. The parents of some other friends were scandalized by this woman’s past and banned their children from going over to her house.

    After high school, this friend went to art school, entered a contest for playboy, and won playmate of the month. She lives in nyc now and is a pretty successful artist.
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    Women are sexualized constantly but when they capitalize on it, that's when it's condemned.
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    I remember watching an interview with a Japanese pornstar. She went into porn because she wanted a job that offered a sense of progress. A dead-end job, even a well-paying one, doesn't do that.

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    Watched an interview about a pornstar that did it because she legitimately enjoyed it. People blamed daddy issues and all sorts of other things, but I think she was just unorthodox. She didn't view sex as some sort of self-disrespectful taboo. She simply enjoyed the sex, the money, and the pseudo-fame, just as a standard actor can enjoy the fame/money.

    Having sex with strangers is actually a kink for some people, btw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EUDAEMONIUM View Post
    Women are sexualized constantly but when they capitalize on it, that's when it's condemned.
    No, it's taboo before they capitalize on it. It's when women consent to being sexualized that it's condemned.

    Wearing lewd things means she's slutty, having sex just for the fun of it (like guys do all the time) means she's a whore, and so forth. Women embracing their sexuality anywhere outside of long-term relationships are condemned and labelled with / chalked up to "low self-esteem," "daddy issues," "no self-respect," and so forth.

    So it's only okay to sexualize women when they don't approve of you doing it to them. Pretty fucked up, ain't it?


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    What about possibilities like borderline personality, psychopathy, or some other personality disorder? Those can make people behave in non-standard ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    What about possibilities like borderline personality, psychopathy, or some other personality disorder? Those can make people behave in non-standard ways.
    Doing porn deviates from social norms, which does make it non-standard behavior, but it doesn't make it non-standard in the sense of being disorder-like. It boils down to beliefs. Not everyone sees it as something that should be non-standard. Whether it should or should not be normalized vs taboo is a matter of ethics, not illness.


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    With that said, psychopathy - which would be Antisocial Personality Disorder - has no symptoms pertaining to sexuality. Psychopaths tend to take on pseudo-wives and establish parasitic relationships with others, feeding off of another person's income/resources.

    Borderline has one symptom pertaining to it, but it is impulsive/spontaneous sex. They're more likely to meet someone, go home with them, and fuck...which is more normalized than porn because of the tradition of meeting at a bar and going home for a one night stand with someone. Porn is more planned and committed, which is actually the opposite of a person with Borderline's nature. They are impulsive and unstable, especially when they have the symptom of Identity Disturbance, which makes their identity ever-changing and often wrapped up in their career. If they did go into the porn scene, it'd be very very temporary (but they would be "all in" and extreme about it for the duration of their time in it). These are people who typically care very much about being liked and accepted, however. They are more likely to "chameleon mode" mold themselves into whatever other people want them to be, and have been reported to at times study what it is that others like so that they can become those things, than to dive into the porn industry. The porn industry wouldn't line up with what others want them to be, and it would likely contribute to their already highly prevalent feelings of shame. In other words, Borderline Personality Disorder probably doesn't make someone more likely to do porn. Quite the contrary. It can make them unlikely to do it.

    The other one would be Histrionic Personality Disorder, but the sexualization would revolve more around attention-seeking behaviors, which might instead manifest in other ways, such as always needing to be sick for the attention.
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    Something I forgot to touch on about BPD. Those with BPD's identity disturbance lack a sense of continuity over time; emotional commitment to representations of self, role relationships, core values and self-standards; and recognition of one's place in the world. They tend to adopt those from what is known as a "Favorite Person," something much different than a best friend, or a favorite person such as you and I would typically think of who our favorite person is. For those with BPD, a "Favorite Person" is someone the person with BPD fully revolves around. They mold their very identities around this person. They take on their values, and so on. They establish a stable sense of self through whatever they adopt from this person. They fear loss of this person in part because to lose that person is to lose their own selves. It basically would shake their very foundation and leave them completely lost and unstable.

    Honestly, BPD is not what people typically think it is. It doesn't make a person just go act crazy, wild, or sexually deviant. Mostly, it makes them very loving people who have a difficult time showing their love appropriately, normally, or healthily. They have issues with things like "Object Constancy" or "Object Permanence;" heightened amygdala sensitivity (threat perception); underdeveloped prefrontal cortex (rationalization and judgment); identity formation; certain types of empathy; emotional regulation/coping. You can't just be like "well this is a social taboo, maybe BPD/psychopathic people would do this." It doesn't work that way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lotus View Post
    Something I forgot to touch on about BPD. Those with BPD's identity disturbance lack a sense of continuity over time; emotional commitment to representations of self, role relationships, core values and self-standards; and recognition of one's place in the world. They tend to adopt those from what is known as a "Favorite Person," something much different than a best friend, or a favorite person such as you and I would typically think of who our favorite person is. For those with BPD, a "Favorite Person" is someone the person with BPD fully revolves around. They mold their very identities around this person. They take on their values, and so on. They establish a stable sense of self through whatever they adopt from this person. They fear loss of this person in part because to lose that person is to lose their own selves. It basically would shake their very foundation and leave them completely lost and unstable.

    Honestly, BPD is not what people typically think it is. It doesn't make a person just go act crazy, wild, or sexually deviant. Mostly, it makes them very loving people who have a difficult time showing their love appropriately, normally, or healthily. They have issues with things like "Object Constancy" or "Object Permanence;" heightened amygdala sensitivity (threat perception); underdeveloped prefrontal cortex (rationalization and judgment); identity formation; certain types of empathy; emotional regulation/coping. You can't just be like "well this is a social taboo, maybe BPD/psychopathic people would do this." It doesn't work that way.
    My SLE daughter just broke off from her BPD best friend. Her BPD ex-best friend said she's going to file a restraining order against my daughter. My daughter said "what is she going to tell them? that I refuse to communicate with her?"
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    I think it's a case by case thing but overall, I guess that it's always a mix between making money (it's a somewhat lucrative job) and sexual desire so some actors esp men, can combine business with relative pleasure. Some actors talk about their motivations as to why they got into this business but it's interesting to know about the reasons why actors decide to quit the business. There is nonetheless imho a commun impulsivity to all actors, some kind of "Ep-ness" and a lack of insight when it comes to the future consequences of that activity in their curriculum vitae. Most of them live in that moment, even for intuitive girls, as if they were in constant search of that point of no return. When I was a teen, Tori Welles was my favorite .

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    My SLE daughter just broke off from her BPD best friend. Her BPD ex-best friend said she's going to file a restraining order against my daughter. My daughter said "what is she going to tell them? that I refuse to communicate with her?"
    Sounds about right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lotus View Post
    Doing porn deviates from social norms, which does make it non-standard behavior, but it doesn't make it non-standard in the sense of being disorder-like. It boils down to beliefs. Not everyone sees it as something that should be non-standard. Whether it should or should not be normalized vs taboo is a matter of ethics, not illness.
    I wasn't using the word 'disorder' in the pejorative sense. I agree that behaviours can be sneakily classified as disorders because they deviate from judgmental, socially-constructed norms.

    I only meant that some workers may have an atypical hormonal or neurotransmitter profile (a profile that may allow them to override, ignore, or simply lack an otherwise overpowering gag reflex).

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I wasn't using the word 'disorder' in the pejorative sense. I agree that behaviours can be sneakily classified as disorders because they deviate from judgmental, socially-constructed norms.

    I only meant that some workers may have an atypical hormonal or neurotransmitter profile (a profile that may allow them to override, ignore, or simply lack an otherwise overpowering gag reflex).
    Gag reflex can be gotten rid of by anyone. You can literally just Google how to do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lotus View Post
    Gag reflex can be gotten rid of by anyone. You can literally just Google how to do it.
    I don't think that sexual disgust can be repressed so casually. I've always gotten the reverse impression when listening to women talk about sex.

    But you could be right. I have no personal frame of reference, I can't know for sure what women really think, and it's entirely possible that I'm being benevolently sexist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I don't think that sexual disgust can be repressed so casually. I've always gotten the reverse impression when listening to women talk about sex.

    But you could be right. I have no personal frame of reference, I can't know for sure what women really think, and it's entirely possible that I'm being benevolently sexist.
    Gag reflex isn't caused by sexual disgust. It's purely a bodily reaction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lotus View Post
    Gag reflex isn't caused by sexual disgust.
    Why not? My ex told me that she'd rather drink sh*t than have sex with random strangers.

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    Ppl say str8 porn is more abusive, I haven't looked up str8 porn in awhile but some early 2000 str8 porn was so primal and raw... part of what made it hot lol. I also think it was quite common for heterosexual ppl IRL to have those fantasies and participate in those things to a degree despite the veneer that heterosexuality is super moral and this innocent fairytale of a man and woman holding hands on a park bench while talking about Delta Christian morality. Porn exposed the trolling and sadistic rough-energy str8 sex is often based upon. It stereotypically triggered a lesbian feminist SJW because they are the type most likely to get offended by that and genuinely dislike it?

    but real life vs fantasy is weird, and definitely a thing- a lot of this stuff doesn't translate over well to REALITY of course. Not getting that porn is a *fantasy* is where the fuck-up happens of course, but why there usually is a Te warning when u watch it. Like somebody mentioned once, a lot of gay male porn is kinda pedo-esque and encouraged pedastery and too man+boy fantasy like. In a way porn exposes people's Shadows, or more accurately the shadows society has of people: Gays are pervy pedos and straight people are hateful puerile assholes and bisexual people are just confused sluts - I think it uses those shadow-y stereotypical conceptions as empowerment tactics as long as the person is aware that it's fantasy. Both the ppl who view and use porn inappropriately AND the Karen Thought Police who don't mind their own business when it comes to other people's sexualities- both of those types don't seem to 'get this.'

    The main fault of porn I see is that it either has to be shocking in order to be thrilling, or it's quite boring and has a sexless energy when you know, isn't this supposed to be sexy? Real eroticsm and other forms of eroticsm that aren't porn in other forms of media tend to be more "naturally erotic" - which is how eroticsm really is, kind of in the middle between both those extremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Why not? My ex told me that she'd rather drink sh*t than have sex with random strangers.
    Why not? Because the gag reflex results from stimulation or irritation of certain sensitive areas near the pharynx, which is at the back of the throat. It also doesn't happen during oral with strangers only. Are you a virgin living in a cave, and thus have experiential psychological distance; or are you just a troll? Surely you actually know this stuff and you are fucking with me right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lotus View Post
    Why not? Because the gag reflex results from stimulation or irritation of certain sensitive areas near the pharynx, which is at the back of the throat. It also doesn't happen during oral with strangers only. Are you a virgin living in a cave, and thus have experiential psychological distance; or are you just a troll? Surely you actually know this stuff and you are fucking with me right now.
    Oohhh... I was using "gag reflex" metaphorically. It can be used to mean an unpleasant reaction to something / anything that's gross (like unwanted sex). Pardon the misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Oohhh... I was using "gag reflex" metaphorically. It can be used to mean an unpleasant reaction to something / anything that's gross (like unwanted sex). Pardon the misunderstanding.
    I noticed this difference in the first posts between you. Theoretical ILE vs concrete ESI. I just wondered where it would go.

    Can I prove this? No. So feel free to call "Bullshit".

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Oohhh... I was using "gag reflex" metaphorically. It can be used to mean an unpleasant reaction to something / anything that's gross (like unwanted sex). Pardon the misunderstanding.
    Ahh, ok. Makes sense now. Sorry if I came across as rude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I noticed this difference in the first posts between you. Theoretical ILE vs concrete ESI. I just wondered where it would go.

    Can I prove this? No. So feel free to call "Bullshit".
    No, it's perfectly believable.
    It was also the fact that “gag reflex” is an actual term, though. It's like saying “Messiah complex” metaphorically, when there is actually such thing as a Messiah complex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lotus View Post
    Ahh, ok. Makes sense now. Sorry if I came across as rude.
    No problem.

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    Money Money Money Money Money


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    Does anyone know exactly how much money they make? (And not just the "stars" but the small-time performers as well.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Does anyone know exactly how much money they make? (And not just the "stars" but the small-time performers as well.)
    Not sure, maybe a few hundred dollars per scene? Probably more money$ in Onlyfans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Not sure, maybe a few hundred dollars per scene? Probably more money$ in Onlyfans
    I'm skeptical most girls make that much in Onlyfans. Maybe the top 20% or so. It seems like a pyramid scheme; you have these few at the top making lots of money, they encourage people to join. Most girls don't make that much (thousands of girls exposing themselves online, who's going to throw money after Jane Doe from Kansas?), but they make more money if they refer others, so they pretend to be more successful than they are. I could be wrong; don't know too much about it; this is just my impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I'm skeptical most girls make that much in Onlyfans. Maybe the top 20% or so. It seems like a pyramid scheme; you have these few at the top making lots of money, they encourage people to join. Most girls don't make that much (thousands of girls exposing themselves online, who's going to throw money after Jane Doe from Kansas?), but they make more money if they refer others, so they pretend to be more successful than they are. I could be wrong; don't know too much about it; this is just my impression.
    I actually personally know girls who make a pretty fuckin' decent living by doing nothing but voicing. One girl made more than $50 within less than an hour during her first hour ever. Some made more their first time.

    TLDR - you'd be fucking surprised at how much a simp will pay for a little taste of fantasy.

    EDIT:
    Ahh, forgot to mention, one of the more experienced girls actually does it for 3-4 hours per week and makes $1,000 per week. She isn't even that great looking, which I say with no disrespect intended to her...but just knows how to work the clients socially.

    The entire reason people find it tempting is the money. If it wasn't decent pay, they would never start. Well, if I'm going based on the sample size from the small community I know a few people from, anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Lady View Post
    I actually personally know girls who make a pretty fuckin' decent living by doing nothing but voicing. One girl made more than $50 within less than an hour during her first hour ever.

    TLDR - you'd be fucking surprised at how much a simp will pay for a little tase of fantasy.
    Really. I was born into the wrong body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Really. I was born into the wrong body.
    I know some guys who do it also, but they don't earn as much through the same amounts of effort. I think with them, they really have to work people socially a lot more than a woman needs to.

    Don't ask why I know all these people. I don't know, I just meet all types of people while looking for people to network with or exploring different kinds of people psychologically. I found one and then it led to another...they're interesting because they are different than me, and by exploring their experiences, I gain some second-hand experience myself. Knowledge, understanding, and diversity, and all of that good stuff. People come from all different walks of life, and it's like...the more you learn, the less you feel like you know. It's fascinating, though.


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    The very beginning of this second one just pisses me the fuck off...I'd want to punch some fuckers in the face for this girl.






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    Belle Knox was intriguing to me. I've watched all of the videos, trying to understand her point of view, what she experiences, how others treat her, why they treat her that way, and basically satisfying all of these curiosities I have about human experiences (and equipping myself with more diverse knowledge, in preparation for being a psychologist). Belle Knox is unique in that her points of view are very unorthodox; so much that not everyone can even hear what it is she's trying to say about her own life, desires, interests, and the reasons she does what she does. It takes an open mind to really hear her, because she is coming from such a different angle than what the stigmatization leads societies to stereotype and expect from a pornstar. I hope that those who listen to her side of the story will take this as a preface that encourages having an open mind while listening.


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    Even in a culture where such choices may brand you with so much shame that you're unwelcome to return home, the income lures in women.





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    Quote Originally Posted by two View Post
    Don't worry about it FP, I mean think about it. That can be considered a pathetic life in other parts of the world. But look at you knowing Greek and doing your masters! You don't have to deal with simps too. Now that's something.
    @Cat Lady is the one who seems to know Greek...I can just read Greek as was written, like, 2000 years ago, and idk that that's a particularly valued skill, lol. And I wish I had simps! An army of admirers to sic on my enemies sounds awesome.

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    I got some special news, men also do porn, so go on an find one to enroll if you want to and are a male, noone has the wrong body for this. People generally do it for money and some amateurs (people who dont get paid in return) do it because they want others to masturbate to them, watch them, desire them.

    It is a thing generally frowned upon regardless of gender. It can prevent a person to get in and exist in some positions. Porn star prime minister does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    And I wish I had simps! An army of admirers to sic on my enemies sounds awesome.
    This is one of those things where it's like...be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. Lol. I attract orbiters, and let me tell you, that shit is annoying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I'm skeptical most girls make that much in Onlyfans. Maybe the top 20% or so. It seems like a pyramid scheme; you have these few at the top making lots of money, they encourage people to join. Most girls don't make that much (thousands of girls exposing themselves online, who's going to throw money after Jane Doe from Kansas?), but they make more money if they refer others, so they pretend to be more successful than they are. I could be wrong; don't know too much about it; this is just my impression.
    I don’t think this is true? Maybe accounts can get a discount for referring new users, but can you actually earn money that way?

    I don’t doubt that a few people make a ton of money and lots of people earn nothing. I might be wrong about this, but I suspect that most people at the bottom could earn $$$ with the right kind of presentation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I don’t think this is true? Maybe accounts can get a discount for referring new users, but can you actually earn money that way?

    I don’t doubt that a few people make a ton of money and lots of people earn nothing. I might be wrong about this, but I suspect that most people at the bottom could earn $$$ with the right kind of presentation
    I thought if you referred someone, you got 5% of their earnings for a year.

    The problem is if everyone has that "right kind of presentation," it's not really worth that much. In most systems like this you tend to get a small percentage gravitating to the top, with the majority failing/being relatively ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I got some special news, men also do porn, so go on an find one to enroll if you want to and are a male, noone has the wrong body for this. People generally do it for money and some amateurs (people who dont get paid in return) do it because they want others to masturbate to them, watch them, desire them.

    It is a thing generally frowned upon regardless of gender. It can prevent a person to get in and exist in some positions. Porn star prime minister does not exist.
    I don't want to "do porn;" I want relatively easy money. I don't think that as a male who's pretty average in attractiveness money would be that easy to come by in porn.

    OTOH I have a good personality for being a sugar baby. So maybe that possibility is on the horizon!

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