It's not only betas who are political. You can't seriously believe this. Is every single politician a beta type in your mind? I know betas with no political ambition. Politics isn't us vs them, I simply see it as an expression of power, who controls the narrative. That's fascinating to me.Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
See quadra description: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-socioniks-net
This means nothing to me dude. So I guess this is what Ne PoLR must feel like
Lets just say there is a reason H!tler is EIE and Stalin is LSI.
Get back to me when you can actually interpret theory than just cite one off examples and be like "welp clearly a box is a box. Why think deeper about it amirite."
Don't be intellectually lazy. Do your own research, use that intuition.
LMFAO thanks that really brightens my day
You're seeking the ability to
When you clearly can't even be bothered to understand even the base line soconics sources he's posting.
In any case, both you you can tone down your own arrogance in this thread. It's not leading to anything constructive besides you own enjoyment of your trolling.
Look, I don't want to antagonize you. I'm sorry, I didn't realize how I came across. But when have I trolled on the forum? How can you say that when there's an entire history of me making long, well thought out posts and engaging with people in a constructive way on the forum? I understand what you're saying. I just thought I was responding "in kind" to the treatment I got. That's all.
Edit: Also I feel like I need to disclaimer that nothing I say is meant to be offensive.
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Thanks for clarifying.
You're chill dude, but whenever someone makes a type-me thread with links, at least bother to read them. Don't be like meh what you say means nothing to me. If you don't agree to their type, haven't read their posts, and have nothing constructive to add, then why post anything? Unless you want to shitpost for lolz and troll. Help to understand your responses on here in some different light.
Even the offensive shit is "just jokes" and "kindness". Gotcha.
I wanted to understand OP's perspective on HA, which is why I asked the question of what is my HA. I thought it was fairly clear that I was not satisfied with the level of detail they responded with. They have also been flippant and dismissive of me in the past, so I got annoyed because I saw this as a repetition of that. But yeah, I'm agreeing with you. It's not the right way to behave. I mean, there's no need to drag things up from previous threads. That's just toxic af and I acknowledge it.
I never said it was just jokes or kindness. I'm actually admitting to a mistake and apologizing. I don't think I am usually an offensive person. If so, I don't mind being corrected. I don't exactly thrive in a shit posting environment. If I have any control over my own behaviour, I won't do it again.Even the offensive shit is "just jokes" and "kindness". Gotcha.
I have an uncle in Hungary, he is the mayor of this smol-ish town, the man has a lot of pathos, but not the most logical guy.. Xd when we get together for a drink.. its 100% going to end up in a heated political discussion and I ain't talking random political arguments at the family get-together.when him and his LII wife come to Romania for a visit, we always drink & argue politics late into the night.. I always considered him ESE tho.
e_e I'm holding it in.. so to say on the forums here, sometimes stuff slips. Idk, I just like arguing politics, its fun, well as long as the other side has similar attitude.
I've seen that before, but most of these feel intuitively off, like they were meant to be a caricature. Cause honestly, couldn't all of those traits apply to any type?
I'd go with something more like
ENTp, ESTp => needs emotional engagement
INTj, INFj => impression seeking
ESFj, ESTj => seeks new potentials
ISFp, INFp => wants to simplify problems
ENFj, ENTj => wants to engage
ISTj, ISFj => seeks to know what's intuitively going on
ESFp, ENFp => needs to deal with everything personally
INTp, ISTp => Seeks people with shared values
cause that makes more sense to me. An ENFp would have a hard time simplifying their problems (Ti polr) when they need to deal with everything personally (Te).
An INTp would have a hard time emotionally engaging people (Fe polr) when they seek those with shared values.
etc.
Lol I have no idea why engagement is called love. Hence I can not relate to hidden agenda.
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They are simplistic, yes. Didn't bother to expand them.
For me its more like I need meaning, to believe in something greater than myself and I'm not capable of providing it, but I also mistakenly think I'm good at Ni.. :-P. I like ppl who have a clear vision regarding these things.I'd go with something more like
ENTp, ESTp => needs emotional engagement
INTj, INFj => impression seeking
ESFj, ESTj => seeks new potentials
ISFp, INFp => wants to simplify problems
ENFj, ENTj => wants to engage
ISTj, ISFj => seeks to know what's intuitively going on
ESFp, ENFp => needs to deal with everything personally
INTp, ISTp => Seeks people with shared values
How I understood the SLI - IEE dynamic was that when the SLI runs out of standard options the IEE provides more unusual alternative solutions to maneuver around it. Its why IEE is called the "Advisor". Otherwise same thing as with the SEE-ILI relationship regarding Fi HA.cause that makes more sense to me. An ENFp would have a hard time simplifying their problems (Ti polr) when they need to deal with everything personally (Te).
Ye, ILIs have Fi HA, Fe is kinda frustrating for ILIs.An INTp would have a hard time emotionally engaging people (Fe polr) when they seek those with shared values.
etc.
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You are the one not posting anything constructive here and being equally if not more arrogant towards us lol. “You’re seeking the ability to” literally makes no sense.
You have no basis to believe that I don’t understand his sources. In fact I eventually stated that I agreed, so your comment here is just pointless drama stirring.
Again, not a particularly constructive way of moderating.
Honestly what I attributed to Ne base at first, when I said ILE for you, might as well be Ne polr/low N in general. The thing about reading any description and saying yeah that relates to me, without questioning what it might mean in a broader context or how it might connect/apply to your life.
also I'm lol at "This subtype takes good care of the ladies." from DarkAngelFireWolf69's book, but it's honestly true from what i've observed of LSIs and not out of place lmfao
Yeah I highly doubt that this is true about @shotgunfingers so I’m still pretty skeptical.
That is LSI C which is what shotgun could aspire to as self-development. The H subtype desc has not been posted here yet.
Pot meet kettle.
This comment cracked me up. Lol
lmao.. kore wa yakkaida..
<3
It’s less than three (Stalin, Mussolini, Putin)The Beta ST love is just overflowing...
Cue topless Trump on a horse coming in to save the day.
Not all agree that he’s SLE but he’ll have to do.
You have good taste xDCue topless Trump on a horse coming in to save the day.
Not all agree that he’s SLE but he’ll have to do.
I understand now why Stalin killed his enemies.... ya'all are staying ignored
Of course it makes sense! Forer-effect type descriptions such as the one DarkAngelFireWolf69 gave you always make sense. Or so they seem.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
So if I understand correctly, a Delta such as myself cannot be into synthwave music? You are making a caricature out of the Beta quadra and Socionics.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Yeah, this feels similar to when I figured out I'm type 6 and not a 4 or an 8.
@shotgunfingers
I admit when I first watched your video, it was hard to figure out if you were beta or delta sorta so I just sorta figured alpha ILE maybe to split the difference as it seemed Fe over Fi. I related to you liking some rpgs, and you share this kind of 'beta male' loyalty thing that I myself also have lol. I think ur culture tho can confuse a lot of this, but I think when I think about you, you do have very similar thinking processes to me in a way under neath it all- even though we express ourselves differently and have different goals/outcome. It feels 'closer' to me in a way that ILE doesn't.
It also to me feels like maybe you grew up in a delta-ish area growing up and that influenced you heavily to not totally be yourself and gave you a bit of an identity crisis, I don't know yet but just a theory I have. You were a Beta, but the air around you in your videos felt like something else. Culture/environment does have a part to play in who we are, we aren't 'just ourselves' in a vacuum. Looking at your underlying thinking processes behind all this stuff, I can see u being beta.
IMO on the forums we go by a lot of stereotypes, which leads to people not being typed correctly. We don't consider that in real life people are not caricatures.
i think beta makes sense... i still have my iei suspicions but lsi is, in a way, close... TiNi shared by both... it's true that you Ti a lot... it's just i would think Ti HA would Ti a lot too
(although i don't necessarily think politics is that relevant per se... as in i think one can find authoritarian leaning sorts in all the quadras)
He's the first supposed LSI who doesn't hit my subconscious. I mean, they always tickle my brain in a way that catches my interest. With him, it's just like, I agree with what he says but I doesnt' seem like reliable logical conclusions. Also I don't get the confidence that I feel from LSI that I have supposedly met so far.
I mean, If I were to type him by comparing ITR with other LSI, I'd say he's far from LSI.
Nothing against his personality. I've talked to him once and he's more mature than it may look at first.
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Yeah people like @Northstar who is Ep act way more Ij than shotgunfingers does.
Or you or myself and 99% of the other people on this forum for that matter. But highlighting that difference makes it seem more absurd.
Forum behavior is not a reliable indicator of temperament though, real life behavior is.
Shotgun is the guy who is never late for work, goes to sleep on time, has had the same job most of his adult life, drives the same humble car, lives in the same house and generally just has a stable real life.
In comparison, I’ve moved 20+ times, had several jobs, one of which I quit on the spot soon after a big raise to move into another country where I didn’t have a job waiting, living on some freelance work including physical labor at a race horse stable until I found work fitting my degree. Yeah, I did get my master’s eventually but only after fucking around not properly studying for 15 years while working on the side. I do impulsive unplanned shit all the time in real life and keep no stable schedule, showing up at work when I feel like it, sleeping in if once again I stayed up too late. I’ve owned 30 different cars, changing them on impulse and not caring if I lose some money in the process or have to drive like a maniac through the night on a moment’s notice to do the trade.
Basically, I write coherently here but act impulsively in real life. Many signs point to the opposite for shotgun.
I checked what Russian socionists consider as Ti and it seems to be as simple as Ti egos being at ease with encountering logical structure. They just get right in there and figure it out. Even if the individual may have low IQ and it is difficult for him/her to figure things out, as long as that individual has no inhibition or worries and toys with the structure right away.. it means its in their ego. Basically confidence with Ti.
Based on my 40 minutes of video I sent in, DarkAngelFireWolf69 wrote this:
Installation (activity orientation)
Logic is more than ethics
The respondent is good at systematization and comprehension of complex information. He approaches everything that happens from the logical point of view - he tries to find regularities and draw reasonable conclusions. When memorizing, he relies on connections between the data to build a biger picture. He is good at solving problems where there is a system, including technical ones.
Judging by his facial expressions, his smile is more like a role smile, i.e. consciously represented. Perhaps, he is learning some communication techniques on purpose. Emotions rarely capture him to such an extent that he loses self-control.
Sensing is more than intuition
In favor of the sensing is evidenced by his ability to watch his appearance, to look neat when he leaves the house. It is important for him to be perceived good by others. He is also quite observant, and thanks to his attention to detail, he determines what happened to a person by his/her facial expressions and body language.
His mood does not change by itself, but depends on his physical condition, for example, he is hungry or full, tired or rested. He goes in for sports not to win competitions, but for health. This is evidence in favor of introverted sensing. You can also see the micro-mimicry of disgust on his face, which is also associated with this function.
The respondent noted a great contrast between himself and the girl he met when he was 24 years old. This contrast also relates to the dependence on external evaluation. Compared to a girl who has a distracted and intuitive psyche, he looks like a sensor who monitors his current position, he needs feedback to correct his mistakes.
In extreme situations, he may also develop a power sensing. The respondent is ready to defend himself in conflicts. In states of anger, he may show aggression, for example, he may break equipment.
The logic with the sensing gives the technical and managerial installation for the activity.
Temperament
Introversion is more than extraversion
The respondent describes himself as not a very sociable person who has difficulty gaining popularity. At parties, he makes a barbecue instead of active communication. His inner world of reflections and perceptions is much richer than external activity, what is typical for introverts.
In public, he feels anxious and uncertain. It is much better when he is in the middle of a crowd and does not stand out from it. Among his hobbies, introverted activities prevail - reading, films, computer games, individual sports.
Rationality is more than irrationality
This parameter is the hardest to determine.
Let's see how the respondent's mental process is organized. The logic of the respondent precedes the sensing. Before implementing something, he will analyze and plan. This is how the psyche of rationality is organized. Irrationalists act more spontaneously and according to the situation, rather than consistently and according to some strategy.
Besides, the respondent notes that knowledge is not stored in his memory in an orderly manner. Since internal communication and presentation of accumulated data in a more chaotic form what corresponds to the second function rather than the first one, the assumption about rational organization of the respondent's psyche is confirmed. Logic processes and gives solutions to the outer world, quickly addressing the data accumulated by the sensing. The first function (logic) can be compared to the processor, and the second function (sensing) to memory. This is a mental circuit that is used by the logic-sensor types.
This temperament is called balanced-stable.
But if the respondent was rational, why is he messy? It is also not very clear where he got his melancholic states from. We will find the answer to this question in his subtype.
Subtype
What can we say about his subtype? - The most probable subtype in DCNH system is the fourth one, i.e. harmonizing (H).
This is evidenced, firstly, by his distantness (thoughtfulness, initial detachment, unwillingness to actively intervene in conflict situations) and, secondly, by the lesser orderliness of everyday life with a greater interest in change, rather than routine (initiality).
Distantness combined with initiality just gives a harmonizing subtype. But it becomes clear from the interview that the respondent has changed significantly over time. He develops the qualities of contactness - more emotionality and sociability, as well as ease going. If these efforts are supported, for example, by friends, family, etc., it is possible over time to move to a creative subtype.
The conclusion
So, the type of respondent is a balanced-stable temperament in the management installation - LSI (Inspector) of a harmonizing subtype. Characteristic feature of such personality: a long search for yourself, philosophical reflection on life, depression control, loyalty, a sense of lost harmony and the desire to regain it.
It's easy to recognize other duals once you have experienced duality though. This also applies to any type of cognition. Some types have a certain cognition that one can easily identify after some time.
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