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    What is in the mind of God when a horrible or unjust thing is happening?

    Here we see what is on God's mind when one particular bad thing is happening.

    [We see can Heaven's views of our times published in various volumes and booklets, recorded by Anne, a mystic in our time. which can be read for free and/or printed out here.
    -If your prefer a different language, they are translated in 18 languages, just click on "Free Library" at the top of any page on that site and choose a language).]

    In Volume 8 (the Volume that explains the times we are in and what to expect in the soon coming trials), beginning at pg.75, Jesus shows Anne different things one earth, and tells us His mind on those things. This particular horrible event is hard for Anne to see. She used to be a battered women's advocate, having had that experience herself. Jesus shows her this horrible event in real time.

    First Anne she describes what she is seeing, in the presence of Jesus, and then Jesus and talks to her about it, with the purpose of her recording it, for us.


    August 6, 2004

    Today Jesus showed me a beautiful dark-skinned
    woman being dragged from a road back into the
    forest or brush by three soldiers. These were
    partisan type soldiers, not very officially fitted out
    but they had guns. They were dark-skinned and I
    suspect were fellow countrymen. She held a small
    child. The child was dropped at one point. The
    woman allowed the child to fall by the wayside in
    an effort to protect the baby girl from whatever was
    about to occur. The child simply sat, looking dazed
    and uncertain as the men dragged the mother away
    deeper into the woods. The mother stopped
    struggling and the three men systematically raped
    her.

    I won’t try to describe the ugliness of this scene.
    This woman has been raped before. She was raped
    some time ago by soldiers and the rape resulted in
    a pregnancy, which resulted in the baby girl who is
    sitting uncertainly waiting for her mother. The
    soldiers finish and leave her. She is not physically
    injured to a great degree, thank God, and is only
    concerned about her little one, whom she loves with
    a fierce tenderness. How she must worry about
    protecting this child because the child is destined to
    grow into a woman. The woman pulls herself
    together.

    I would like to describe the scene, such is my rage,
    but I do not do so in the interest of protecting her
    dignity. The reason I would like to describe it is so
    that each and every man who behaves in this way
    will understand that Christ is watching and they
    will be held accountable. I hope they convert and
    find forgiveness, but I praise God for divine justice
    in these matters. This woman mercifully collects
    her child and cries. The child snuggles into her
    mother’s neck and wraps her little arms around this
    poor woman. Our beautiful victim holds her baby
    and is consoled and steadied by her child. Jesus
    speaks.



    Jesus

    This woman is a favored servant of Mine.
    She is a Christian, converted as a result of
    the effort of a missionary. She thanks me
    all through the day for the sun, for the
    rain, for the beautiful things in nature
    that she credits to Me as the Creator. I love
    her most tenderly. Anne, she is a victim
    soul. You are angry and you are struggling
    with your anger at Me because you see that
    I watch this and you want Me to act upon
    these men. I will do so. Have no fear. As you
    say, they will reap what they sow. You know
    that the scene you witnessed is not unusual
    in your world. People are mistreated often
    in this way. You have labored hard to help
    others who suffer at the hands of evil men.

    There are a few things I want to show you.
    First of all, look at the beauty of this
    child. One of the things that pierces your
    heart is the confused look on this little
    one’s face. You also feel deeply the love of
    the mother for this child and see how the
    mother is comforted by the child. Even
    during the attack, which is not sexual on
    the part of the woman, merely physical,
    the mother’s only concern is for her child,
    whom I have protected. This baby is the
    result of a previous rape. The act of rape
    is a desecration of a person. I want to tell
    you that the victim is an unwilling
    participant. A victim’s beautiful sexuality,
    which is My gift to him or her, is not in any
    way involved in an act in which they have
    being coerced. An attack of this nature
    does not impact the beauty of a person’s
    sexuality. That is theirs to give to another.
    Some try to take this from others but they
    cannot. A person who has been used in
    this way should never think that their
    beautiful sexuality is affected. It is not in
    any way affected. One cannot take
    sexuality from another. It must be given. It
    is a physical attack and with My help, a
    victim will heal.

    You are angry at Me, Anne, because you
    are blaming Me for this. You were here
    with Me while this was occurring. I did
    not do this. I did not will this. I do not will
    this for any of My children. This is man
    being rebellious, following the guidance
    of My enemy, Satan. These men are
    answering “yes” to him. They are exulting
    in this evil act. Please do not be like My
    enemies in the world and blame Me for
    evil. This woman is My friend and I love
    her. She will spend eternity with Me. Her
    daughter will be instrumental in saving
    many souls, as will her mother. And yet,
    the daughter was the result of a rape. It is
    this I wish to speak about.
    There are those on your earth, even some of
    My friends, who say that an abortion is
    acceptable if a mother has been raped and
    if the infant is the result of this wretched
    form of physical attack. Let me explain
    how this wounds Me.

    The act of rape is a desecration of a
    person’s body, as I have said. If I choose to
    act as the Creator at this time and send an
    infant, it is the greatest form of bringing
    good from evil, which I do often. I am
    actually very busy in this time bringing
    good from evil because I have so much evil
    to work with and less good. In defiance
    against this act of rape, I send an infant.
    Do you have any idea how special and
    precious are these little representatives of
    God as goodness? These are truly the
    greatest of gifts to your world. And yet
    many agree that because the earthly
    father of the infant was acting badly, it is
    justifiable to slaughter what I have
    created. Anne, if we slaughtered every
    infant whose father was behaving badly,
    we would have far fewer people in this
    world, even given the great number who
    are already rejected and slaughtered. This
    is the gravest, most distorted of logic. The
    father behaves badly so the child must be
    slaughtered. I reject this diabolical
    reasoning. So must you. It takes courage to
    speak the truth in your world, but I will
    send plenty of courage to any soul who
    takes up the cause of the unborn. These
    are truly My most favored servants.

    Back to My precious little victim soul. She
    will live for her child. She will survive for
    her child and she has embraced this gift,
    seeing her daughter as the miracle of
    creation that she is. The greatest of joy
    will come from this little girl to her
    mother, whom she will treasure, and to
    your world. We will all reap the benefits of
    this mother’s decision to allow this child
    to be born.

    With regard to the evildoers, you have
    been allowed to see how I view them. They
    are lost to Me at this moment. I also see
    them behaving like wild dogs. You will
    continue to pray for their conversion, as
    you do each time you pray for the
    conversion of sinners. They will be dealt
    with. I want you to understand something
    else.

    There are those who read this who will be
    appalled at this act, and yet, they witness
    such acts on television and do not turn
    their televisions off. They provide a market
    for the enemy to glorify such acts of
    depravity by viewing them. Anytime you
    watch entertainment in which a woman’s,
    man’s, or child’s body is being used for
    anything other than holy actions, you are
    culpable. I do not wish men to view women’s
    bodies without proper attire unless they are
    united to them in matrimony. I do not wish
    men to have sexual relations unless they
    are united to a woman in matrimony.
    Sexuality comes from Me. It is My domain.
    The gross misuse of sexuality in this time
    offends Me greatly and brings down the
    greatest of evil and suffering to everyone.
    This cruel assault is an example. The
    widespread rebellion in sexual matters
    must cease.
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    yup bad things happen all the time, and believers aren't free from this.

    it's horrible when it happens, and its sometimes a big reason why people are turned off knowing that God allows bad things to happen to good people.

    ever since the fall of Adam, with free will and sin entering the world, no of human being is free from bad things. it sucks.

    but why?

    sometimes he does this to test us. sometimes to help us recognize evil. sometimes to help us understand right vs wrong.

    but sometimes he allows it for some reason we can't really understand. it's out of our control.

    what we can control, however, is our outlook/attitude/and complete faith in Him despite the seemingly random/horrible things that happen outside of our understanding.

    in the end, God is a just God, and he will absolutely make things right.

    but pray for mercy upon our enemies, bc God can be pretty scary

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    @eliza.

    Minds and souls that can reach depths with imaginings, options, empathy, knowings, strategies and so on, can all be great qualities and I am sure the experiences of this lady whom you write about above is all pretty good and could help some others with their lives or imagination etc

    She however is just someone doing her best.
    Biblically we are described as parts of a body needing to come together as a whole. No division, with equal concern for one another.
    So you know that your views, stories, mental wandering etc are just as important as this ladies, as is every other member of humanity.

    We cannot here on earth with our still fairly lonesome/unconnected minds know the actual mind of the creator. Even if all minds were connected, could we?
    There are many options on what the creator really is and as we evolve, our thoughts on this subject also evolve.

    So be sure to not limit what you think the divine is and the total mind it holds.




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    Just mull over that last sentence is all I’m really suggesting.

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    The main reason of evil things happening in the world is humankind's sin. Not considering God's will is the first step to sin and therefore evil things happening. With the first sin that brought death to the world, and humanity was separated from God. Humankind died. The only way to be born again and be spiritually alive is through Jesus Christ.

    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    John 3
    Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

    In the most elementary way, we can say the evil is being committed by ppl and due human's will. Humankind acting wrongly has never been the will of God. But ppl have a will. And since the fall of mankind, God has set a way to get a remanent to be redeemed along with creation. Not everyone is going to enter to heaven as not everyone would accept that gift. And probably, no one would ever accept it except for God's mercy through the work of the Holy Spirit, since human's spirit is dead and their understanding is darkened.

    John 16:8
    When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment.

    Ephesians 4:18
    "They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts."

    As for christians suffering:
    John 16:33
    “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

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    Good and bad is about perceptions. The closer to ideal mind perceives the world as lesser horrible.
    The creation is made by God, so it's perfect in anything. Suffering is inacceptance of God, opposing to him.
    Even a pain of a body is not obligately the suffering on emotional level - it's only sensations itself, it's the mind who may perceive it as a suffering.
    To love the creation "as is" is not to be passive. As you have wishes to act and they are the part of the creation too. You should do what you like and to like what you do. All what happens is the God's will.
    To love God and don't love what is done by him would be a contradiction.

    I understand God as the Creator of anything. An image of what people perceive as unconditionally loving and allmighty light in monotheistic religions. A state of mind when people have the union with the source of the reality (God) and their wishes may be realised without limitations. The more degree this union is - the more possibility a wish will be realised. Though they wish lesser with the more degree they feel this union, and more accept the world as it goes itself. Side effects of this union state is wider knowledge of the creation - feeling of events in other time and places. A part of what is also higher compassion to other people, harder to accuse them and be offenced on them.

    What was Jesus religious thoughts? He never thought himself as God. He told about love to God and his creation. He could said himself as God's son in the sense that was created by him as any human. Jesus claimed that he was born not from 2 people? Today churches support individualitic ideology common for capitalism. Is it Jesus church? Love to creation and hence to people of it and individualism can't be matched. What books Jesus wrote? Where are original texts of his life-time followers? Today Christian churchs have a mess of ideas and their formal followers do not love people much. You are trying to find the truth in words of these churches. More of useful you'd find in communications with people who feel love to other people, to the world - which feel happier. They may be among churches too, but more of the truth is in them, not in words. And in you - in the degree you love someone or something. Love as a state gives the answers.
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    there is the notion of life being an 'earth school'. when we hurt others we hurt ourselves and vice versa. sooner or later we get to see this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche the Child View Post
    there is the notion of life being an 'earth school'. when we hurt others we hurt ourselves and vice versa. sooner or later we get to see this.
    I see two parts to this.

    One, the idea that hurting others hurts ourselves, too, assumes that we have empathy and a conscience.

    Two, hurting others can definitely hurt ourselves if we rely on the other person in any way, because when we hurt people, we diminish their capacity for free action. Diminishing the most complex and capable thing that the Universe has created is stupid. It's like dropping your phone in the toilet because it keeps ringing at inconvenient times.

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    Murderers end up hurting themselves even without a conscience. They may deal with the fear of getting caught. Or if a serial killer suffer the pain of their compulsions which they can't control. When caught they suffer the loss of their freedom. Still what goes around comes around even with no conscience or empathy.

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    Speaking from my non-religious interpretation of Biblical texts, I see Genesis as an early explanation of human psychology. Experiencing good and bad, having the capability to do bad stuff to other humans (“going against God’s word”) and needing to deal with morality is something humans have been taxed with since nearly the beginning of humanity itself, is sort of the point of the whole story IMO. It’s obvious that along with that comes psychological pain, and maybe also the sense that life or God are unjust or unfair. The point God says is that that’s too damn bad because humans are shitty and we basically cause our own problems (objectively true), so Christianity gives us a set of morals and spirituality from Jesus to help make things easier.

    The point of God is not that life is gonna be a magical fairyland just because God can create anything, because our own humanity limits our experience of life. God created man in his image, but Man is a douchebag, so how can you expect the God-given world to be nicer and better than your own nasty asshole, especially if you let yourself and other humans to continue to act like ungodly douchebags time and time again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I see two parts to this.

    One, the idea that hurting others hurts ourselves, too, assumes that we have empathy and a conscience.

    Two, hurting others can definitely hurt ourselves if we rely on the other person in any way, because when we hurt people, we diminish their capacity for free action. Diminishing the most complex and capable thing that the Universe has created is stupid. It's like dropping your phone in the toilet because it keeps ringing at inconvenient times.
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