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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    just wondering. .....

    so anyway, why don't we think of all the ways in which aristocracy and democracy is understood/misunderstood and where each applies when it may not be obvious?

    i've always been more democratic than aristocratic as i wasn't really able to completely conclude on my own what group a person belonged to anyway....
    I think about it as individualism or "I" (democratic) vs collectivism or "we" (aristocratic)

    If you tend to think about "the greater good" or "the group" like a team when working w an organization, believe hierarchy + respecting authority figures, and being a good citizen to "move up" into a more noble class u are aristocratic.

    Examples:

    Attending a meeting that's not required, for the sake of the "group morale"

    With ur arab terrorist example... saying "not all arabs (the group) are terrorists" can be an aristocratic statement in itself

    "You are my friend, but my friends don't steal toilet paper from McDonalds!"


    "you don't know shit and you need to learn your place" - hierarchical attribution ("your place").

    Aristocratic types operate with the assumption that certain people are either inherently similar or different. With people to whom they feel they relate or share certain things, they speak easily of experiences that they assume to be mutual, omitting things that the other is assumed to know and making statements or judgments based on what is taken for granted as common knowledge without drawing any attention to it; they assume that people either speak their language, or don't.
    Democratic individuals tend to be more individualistic (on a relative basis), and emphasize themselves ("I") vs society ("we")

    Examples:

    "I am a representative only of my own ideas" "I notice groups, but it's just a game (they are not real, the groups are pretended)"


    "You know how when you shower for too long..." "Have you ever noticed..." "Is x like this for you too?"

    Basically Democrats will assert an experience and put it "to the jury" as to whether or not this is commonplace, expected, mutual, etc.
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