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    Default Why is it important to know the truth?

    Let's say we're living in the Matrix or Plato's cave. And thus you're being tricked and don't know the truth about reality.

    Now, let's say you don't know this, but you have some intuition that this might be the case. Why does it matter? Would it change how you live, how happy you are? Note I am not just talking about truth in the metaphysical sense, but also in things like knowing the truth regarding certain things that did/n't happen: did your ex lie to you? Does this person really like you back?

    Is knowing the truth good in itself or is it a practical question of having the information you need at hand? Or does it not matter?


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    If you were content not to look outside the cave, you couldn't be sure that a demolition crew wasn't on its way to blow it up. Perpetual bliss is also perpetual insecurity.

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    I think most people would be unhappy to think they're being deceived. Even if you could disregard xerxe's point about insecurity and somehow be assured that you were safe, I think that wanting to know the truth is such a basic human desire that almost everyone would prefer it.

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    As an enneagram 946, I must say the search for truth is what leads me to doubt myself and get nowhere. I could choose to doubt that someone has positive relations towards me, but it wouldn't help me any bit or affect my actions or my interest in the affecting my relations towards them.

    I'm usually content with not knowing everything, as long as I can act positively on my assumptions.


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    My output depends on the information that comes in, so regardless how unhappy it makes me I want to get as close to the objective truth as possible in order to generate output (action) that is in line with reality. Following my intuition will change my life, it will eventually lead me out of the cave and into a much bigger world.

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    The question of the true nature of things is a universal theme. The question is somehow related to the state of things and their stability in time. If we imagine happiness or even just a satisfying life as a machine, then some will think : "If it ain't broke don't fix it !". However another person might want to improve that machine and in order to do so taking the risk of breaking it in the process.


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    human need

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    There's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. You should know the stove is hot so you don't touch it. But if there's a truth that you're not prepared to act on then it might be better if you didn't know it.

    Knowledge also is partial and can be misguiding if it's not focused on the right things. "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

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    People don’t care about the truth, they only care about whatever would keep them going. Truth is important because it gives clarity and sense of direction. As per my first sentence many people just need direction and are ok with delusion because after all it gives a false sense of clarity to decide on things. Whatever keeps them going. But then unlike seeing truth, they hit walls after a while.

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    Because the truth can help protect you from other people's manipulations? It sounds like u were talking about somebody being so blissfully naive that the truth didn't matter to them only their fantasies/lies- this doesn't seem sustainable to me. There is a world that exists outside your own head.

    The truth can hurt and often does so, but can also save your life.

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    I don’t need to be told anything
    I can feel the truth
    And if I struggle with the truth then I choose to deny the truth I already feel within me then I’m being a fool
    A fool and their money are soon to be parted. Someone said that!
    Also, get the eff out if you don’t trust someone

    You are LSI so truth must be a confirmation of what you are feeling but can not describe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
    Because the truth can help protect you from other people's manipulations? It sounds like u were talking about somebody being so blissfully naive that the truth didn't matter to them only their fantasies/lies- this doesn't seem sustainable to me. There is a world that exists outside your own head.

    The truth can hurt and often does so, but can also save your life.
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    Yes, the truth sets you free! This is true in the biggest arena of all, eternity, as Jesus says, "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Light, and no one comes to the Father but by Me." - - which I believe is life's biggest and most Ultimate Truth. He, the TRUTH, sets you free from every bondage, and the bondages always come in the form of lies.

    In my life I have found over and over again that "The truth sets you free" is s true in so many ways. Yes, even when the truth hurts - as it often does. In my whole life, whenever I discovered I had been living or believing a falsehood, while that discovery is often a quite painful, learning that truth of that matter is ALWAYS is accompanied by freedom.* So I have concluded long ago that, always: lies enslave, and truth sets you free.

    So in my life it is a long and continuous path of trying to discover the truth of things, which I never tire of, especially because of the reward of freedom that comes from the discovery of truth.

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    *An example is, say you discover that your significant other, who continually pledges to you that that you are their love, their "one and only forever", and you live in belief of this, and return the same, in fact has actually long been a serial womanizer [or "man-izer?"]. Well that is PAINFUL to the extreme. When the shock and sorrow fades, one sees what freedom one has gained with the truth, and how the lie enslaved.

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    Knowledge of the world cannot convincingly be separated from our agency within it. So to put in more radically, as the famous saying goes, there are no facts only interpretations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavebury View Post
    Let's say we're living in the Matrix or Plato's cave. And thus you're being tricked and don't know the truth about reality.

    Now, let's say you don't know this, but you have some intuition that this might be the case. Why does it matter? Would it change how you live, how happy you are? Note I am not just talking about truth in the metaphysical sense, but also in things like knowing the truth regarding certain things that did/n't happen: did your ex lie to you? Does this person really like you back?

    Is knowing the truth good in itself or is it a practical question of having the information you need at hand? Or does it not matter?
    I don't think it does matter, since it isn't the principles we run on

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    Truth is objective and therefore, it doesn't matter whether it's the truth or not, so long you keep existing as a person, or a being on itself.
    However, it is rather necessary to create a connection between both truth and reality then understand the way it applies, which is the fact.
    Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel: "The history of the world is none other than the progress of the consciousness of freedom."

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