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    I was just reading this page
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    "Fe – Painful function.
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    ILI often compensates for his lack of emotional involvement in interaction with others by playing intellectual games. Very often interaction for him becomes similar to a game of chess or checkers, where the goal is to show what he is capable of, and to demonstrate another person's incompetence. ILI is a master of games – he loves to play with people and events.


    He finds true enjoyment from realizing his intellectual superiority over others and will not let an opportunity pass where he can directly or indirectly express this. If his upbringing conflicts with such displays and expression, he will, nonetheless, satisfy his silent vanity by other methods.
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    What does this mean? I need IRL example. @Adam Strange I'm sure you have a story about this topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkBlue View Post
    I was just reading this page
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ion-(Filatova)
    Andddd...

    "Fe – Painful function.
    ...
    ILI often compensates for his lack of emotional involvement in interaction with others by playing intellectual games. Very often interaction for him becomes similar to a game of chess or checkers, where the goal is to show what he is capable of, and to demonstrate another person's incompetence. ILI is a master of games – he loves to play with people and events.


    He finds true enjoyment from realizing his intellectual superiority over others and will not let an opportunity pass where he can directly or indirectly express this. If his upbringing conflicts with such displays and expression, he will, nonetheless, satisfy his silent vanity by other methods.
    ..."

    What does this mean? I need IRL example. @Adam Strange I'm sure you have a story about this topic
    Placeholder for when I have more time. Yes, I think I have a few examples. If you don't see a reply by Sat evening, PM me to remind me. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkBlue View Post
    I was just reading this page
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ion-(Filatova)
    Andddd...

    "Fe – Painful function.
    ...
    ILI often compensates for his lack of emotional involvement in interaction with others by playing intellectual games. Very often interaction for him becomes similar to a game of chess or checkers, where the goal is to show what he is capable of, and to demonstrate another person's incompetence. ILI is a master of games – he loves to play with people and events.


    He finds true enjoyment from realizing his intellectual superiority over others and will not let an opportunity pass where he can directly or indirectly express this. If his upbringing conflicts with such displays and expression, he will, nonetheless, satisfy his silent vanity by other methods.
    ..."

    What does this mean? I need IRL example. @Adam Strange I'm sure you have a story about this topic
    I don't get enjoyment out of it, rather, frustration. I admit I play these games almost instinctually, but it ain't because I want to lord my "superior" IQ over others. Rather, it's me hoping and praying to God that they'll see how I'm attempting to play them and that they'll rebuke me for it or, even better, actually play my game and beat me in it. For a true and humble player of a game, nothing pleases them more than meeting a superior. Finally, a chance to learn and improve! Sadly, rare is the occasion this happens. There's a reason ILI's are stereotypically cynical, people just keep living down to our lowest expectations of them.

    Though I will concede that I do enjoy humiliating commies in my intellectual games quite heartily. They have it coming and, like Mel Brooks in regards to a certain German Dictator, the end goal isn't to make everyone hate them, it's to get everyone to perceive them and all they stand for as utterly ridiculous and worthy of a most hearty of laughs .

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    I don't know if I'd call my own habits games, but more of a situation where I simply give someone the chance to surprise me. Like saying a famous quote of something related to one of their interests to see if they even slightly pick up on it, or asking probing questions to gauge their knowledge or at the very least their passion. I'd say about 60% of the time it's just a 'miss' while 35% of the time my trail of breadcrumbs make me even more disappointed in them, sometimes abhorrently so, physical disgust. About 5%, possibly even less, it's a surprise and a breath of fresh air to see something completely novel that I wasn't expecting. Like the first time I played chess against someone who clearly hadn't studied the strategy much as they were making some pretty glaring mistakes in their structure, but you realize that regardless this person's mind is moving faster than your own. At first you thought it would be a simple game, and then the tone shifts where all the areas you thought you already knew now need to be revisited and that challenges can come in a different form than you were expecting. It's a kind of subjective experience that you wouldn't really be able to explain easily.

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    I'd say that they might also look for a fellowship here.

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    hmm dunno, initially during interaction I can be friendly, casual and very easy to approach. If the social interaction drags on and there are many ppl I personally don't know.. gradually I'll lose energy and begin to shut down. At some point someone is bound to ask if I'm angry or sad or something, but the reality is I no longer have enough social energy to keep up the facade and I default to "resting ass face" and will gradually start feeling more and more like I need to be alone & recharge.

    During interaction I read ppl's body language and infer their intentions, as well as assess what kind of person they are. Despite being friendly and open, I don't enjoy the super lively "lets include everyone and we must have fun!" -kind of activity and its fairly easy for me to read most ppl (outside of autists). They don't really have to express themselves.

    I don't think I play intellectual games or anything like that. I can be very engaging if its a topic I'm very familiar with, but other than that idk. Well as long as I have reserves for socializing.


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    Thanks for all answers. I guess, this is more likely dominant subtype thing. And @Adam Strange , still waiting for your reply. Hope you can find time, thank you
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    Meh.. kinda games are only fun if someone understands the rules and explaining it kinda ruins it.

    Also, Fe is the enemy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remiel View Post
    Meh.. kinda games are only fun if someone understands the rules and explaining it kinda ruins it.

    Also, Fe is the enemy
    I couldn't agree more
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    My ILI friend and former collegue used to do this with an EIE at work ( we worked in IT). They both had experience and were very smart, but the ILI had more experience and was probably a bit smarter IQ wise (though not 100 percent sure about the latter, they might have been about equal).

    Anyways, he would like to find IT solutions where the EIE couldn't find them. Once we had a bunch of hard drives to clone and the EIE had set up a script in the original clone which would allow some tech issues to be tweaked but was clunky and impratical, I have to admit; the ILI suggested creating a .bat file (which would execute the same processes as the script the EIE had set up), and save the file on a usb stick, then use the .bat file from the usb stick to correct the issues which we were having, and remove the script from the clones. The EIE wasn't around but I was; he called the EIE an "amateur" even though the EIE earns money from what he does...the ILI loved finding solutions to problems others couldn't, especially the EIE since they both had a good level of expertise in the field and the my friend does like a challenge.
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    ILI often shows emotional involvement but there's something slightly "eccentic" and "weak" about it.
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    ILI often compensates for his lack of emotional involvement in interaction with others by playing intellectual games. Very often interaction for him becomes similar to a game of chess or checkers, where the goal is to show what he is capable of, and to demonstrate another person's incompetence. ILI is a master of games – he loves to play with people and events.
    I'm not sure about "lack of emotional involvement", more like "spite". If someone wants to take credit for an idea of mine, I let them execute it. Meanwhile, I spend a few minutes to have it ready to be executed, and I just work on something else. Meanwhile, I'm waiting on that someone to either fail or succeed. If they succeed, no harm, no foul. If they fail, I wait until the ones needing the task done to ask me to do it. At that point, I execute it, and it's done. By then, everyone involved knows it was my idea, and I was the one who executed the idea because I knew what I was doing and not wasting anyone's time by "acting" and trying to impress people. So the next time, they just come to me instead of having a meeting, and I don't have to deal with the drama.

    He finds true enjoyment from realizing his intellectual superiority over others and will not let an opportunity pass where he can directly or indirectly express this. If his upbringing conflicts with such displays and expression, he will, nonetheless, satisfy his silent vanity by other methods.
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    There's no enjoyment of intellectual superiority over others. It's actually the opposite. Here's another example: a former "best in the world" RTS gamer for a game starts to playtest a game we've been playtesting for 9 months. There were 4 of us, and I was the person with no notoriety in the RTS community at the time, but I ended up winning every game. I wanted to make the game as balanced as possible, so I spent a lot of time testing on my own, and trying things out with my team. I didn't care if I lost, but to prove an "imbalance", we'd have to play to win, then switch testers and try the "imbalance" again. Anyways, the new playtester played against the other three team members, and beat them. At lunch, our playtesting manager boasted that this playtester played the game a few days and could beat us in a game we've been playtesting for 9 months. That irked me very much. I said, "We're not trying to win to boast our ego's, but to balance the game. He's playing the 2nd most overpowered nation in the game. If he played me, he'd lose." So, they had him challenge me, and to up the ante, I said I'd only play to win if we played for $50. I beat him the first game. He then challenged me to a rematch, double or nothing. Instead of just beating him, I humiliated him. When I won again, he typed, "******". He paid me $100, and everyone was quiet for the rest of the week.

    It's not about intellectual superiority over others, but in taking someone down a notch who thinks they are intellectually superior over others. There's a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    ILI often shows emotional involvement but there's something slightly "eccentic" and "weak" about it.
    What eccentricity do you mean in particular? Curious. Does it look forced?
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    The article is more likely to be a bad translation. ILIs can get really emotionally involved (some often become fiery) so I certainly don't agree with them lacking in this area, but it's more due to their defensive natures (when defending their own values, output and or image). Many ILIs seem to play devil's advocate or silly bugger but again it's usually a defence mechanism. I'm quite sure that some do like to strut or are very vain, but no more than other types who may feel that they have intellectual superiority or higher productivity.

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    It means I'm likely to spout something random when bored to peak others interest as a joke. I was actually gonna do it, but I'll answer straight today.

    ILIs might get emotionally involved, but I don't. It's a hard rule that if I do get emotional, I either stop and wait, or I try and not let it affect me, aware that it will.

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