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How to spot an SLE
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Last edited by persimmonism; 02-02-2021 at 09:11 PM.
Same reply as to the other thread- you could start by watching videos of SLEs and then perhaps spotting people who look/act the same irl. Though spotting extraverts it's the problem. For dualization there has to be some kind of an experience, some sort of a story, that goes beyond just acknowledging each other's existence.Originally Posted by chocolatte
That sounds gr8 tbh. I wish there was someone like that in my life.
It's just an ongoing project comparing people and sorting out the types. That's what it's all about. Impossible to give full advice on how to spot a SLE because you have to learn to distinguish them from all other types. Meet people of all types, watch videos of all types
The Se can be very easy to spot. Direct contact with the environment, a physical presence that's hard to describe. With SEEs you often notice the Te mobilizing, like they can seem very into Te, so that's one way of telling SLE and SEE apart. I just met a SEE yesterday (a dance teacher, how typical) and it was the Te that made me decide on SEE
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I wish I could describe it, but SLE-Ti that I meet are one of the easiest types to recognize as SLE-Ti. I don't know why but I can almost always tell who is an SLE-Ti like as soon as i meet them, they're rarely all that different from each other (and I know they hate that I think that, I'm sorry) which is a good thing since they're one of my favorite types (rarely, you'll find one that is highly unique, for example, my 3 best friends I hung around with most before I started high school were 3 SLE-Ti who really stood out, one stood out because of his pre-20 years old need to think independently, to almost never trust anyone else's minds, opinions, abilities, whatever anyone else had to say under any circumstance and the few times he did trust anyone else's thoughts or abilities he denied it, the other because he loved art and wanted to be creative so much and he was, and the third probably because he had autism spectrum disorder combined with being desperate for sex and extreme desire to be loved, which were never not apparent to me at all; if anything, his ASD made it so he had no clue what he was doing in attempts to get those things were considered inappropriate by most people.) ILE-Ti don't vary a great deal from each other either, but they vary more from each other than SLE-Ti vary from each other.
@chocolatte
Here you have a SLE C subtype. I met him today. He is a dance teacher, together with his IEI gf.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
The guy has this weird video dancing at a fire alone in the woods..wtf moment. Seems like a fun person.
Are you sure that's him? The account is another person.The guy has this weird video dancing at a fire alone in the woods..
Here is a video where he (SLE) dances with his IEI partner. They teach dance together.
They are also a Harmonizing - Creative couple, as far as I can tell.
He is known for his very physical and fun teaching. He is indeed a fun guy.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
ILE at most.
He might seem like an ILE in that video but he is SLE. I have met him many times. Creative subtype.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Those two are SLE-IEI dyad too, aren't they?
*Laugs in SLE*
I had him at SLI a few years back and can't shake that typing. His lists of hobbies checks out as well. I had always thought SLI-SLE territory.*Laugs in SLE*
Usually its them who spot you
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Ananke says SLE. k4m says SEI. The attentive eyes checks out.
[QUOTE=valhalla;1406618]Usually its them who spot you
this is true- I can look back and remember meeting SLE guys on nights out and they are all funny stories. A guy approaching me in a bar to ask ‘do you like garage music?’ (Yes I do)..He was way younger than me too. Another guy came up to me in a club at the end of the night, started rapping at me, more or less followed me home and I had to tell him
off :s He was sweet though. (edit: i now think this guy was an entp-though estp-ish) Met another guy on a trip to Berlin and he basically tried to convince me to move to Berlin and made a point of pointing out that we had similar tattoos (with the word ‘love’ in them).
Other than that, other guys including a manager just kind of being awkward/gushing around me and later making a lot of jokes/ another guy making a beeline for me at a party. Other instances with more shy guys: one getting his friend to ask if I liked him and one guy who joined my flat on the first night of uni drinks and ended up sleeping on our kitchen floor a lot the rest of the term (not just for me but maybe it was part of it lol) hope it happens once more now I would appreciate it more haha
edit: the above all sounds too romantic..I have also met/come across some estps who are super awkward, bless em
Last edited by Bethanyclaire; 11-08-2020 at 03:13 PM.
They have excellent Se which means if they are interested in you they may look at you with sharp eyes to gather more information about you. They usually have a tendency to Fe which means they may want a joke back. They may be concerned about you so may ask you about your family. They can be courteous and polite also they have a lot of LSE tendencies except they don't move as fast at work as LSE do. Um. IDK overall they have a serious external bearing somewhat quiet and sometimes may seem introverted not necessarily shy. They can be mistrustful with their words and sometimes question you in a strange little twist as to ensure they can trust you. They basically look like any other human being lol so you won't know until you date them hahah
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Lol dancing is stupid and you'll realize it if you have any self respect. It is only useful for parody. I refused everytime at school when they tried to pressure me. Even at gym lessons when they tried to give ultimatums. ESI teacher started to call me renegade.
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Male SLEs are pretty easy to spot unless they’re the more super introverted kind IMO.
They tend to be the stereotypical bro-ish man man, and not too reserved or detached. Not too fluffy and social usually; those are SEEs. Usually ST guys have a firefighter or police officer demeanor, or at the very least have a more “active” quasi-blue collar vibe even if their jobs are white collar like @shotgunfingers or @Northstar do.
Male SLEs take up space and dress like Sporty Spice.
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aw, that pic, yes.
I think there is resemblance between super egos albeit having very different strengths.
They probably give short term ultimatums that supports their views yet they can be turned around 180 degrees by certain information.
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Hard to describe without an example. So let me give you one:
Notice the "ON" eyes. That's Se base. The eyes do not look hazy or dreamy, they do not look dull or "flat." If the eyes do not look ready-for-action, you must scrape Se base (even Se creative) from your list of potential types for the typee. SLE and SEE share this trait. Even when squinting, the eyes will look extremely present (bar any drug (ab)use that would impact this of course). This, combined with a non-rigid composure (more on that below), is by far the most telling element to determine Se base in my experience.
Notice the folding lines that turn downward from the sides of his nose. This is a common consequence from expressions done via Fe. Fe and Fi both are capable of creating strong fold lines around the mouth and nose area, but their placements differ because of how they pull the facial muscles differently. Fe, as shown in the video example, will pull the mouth sideways and up much more strongly. Laughs and smirks: sideways and up. Fi in contrast tends to pull down the cheeks more, often with extremely straight smiles (that don't go up much), creating more puffy cheeks regardless of body weight. Notice also the excellent use of his eyebrows: up, down, moving all around, one brow raised, frown, wink (okay that's not the brow), etc. Fe puts a lot of emphasis on the brow movement: they help emphasize and make the expression that more expressive. Fi-Te might be very intense and pushy and the brow will match this, but this area is often a neglected one and the brow movement will be much more uniform: up, down, frown. This is probably the cause of the MBTI stereotype that Fe is "shallow" (but with theatrical nuance) and that Fi is "authentic" (but not as adaptable). Note that SLE does not possess strong Fe, so you may have to be patient to catch the SLE in a certain mood (such as making YouTube videos) for him to display these things strongly. SLE will be irregular in this area, but when shown, the Fe will be obvious (and may come across as forced at times).
Compare Justin Bieber (SLE) with Selena Gomez (SEE). Compare the smiles, compare the facial lines they create, compare the cheeks, and compare the brow action. I find it difficult to put into words but these examples should help with painting the picture.
Ti types, base or creative, are more likely to have flatter cheeks when compared to Fi types. As mentioned above, Fi cheeks easily puff up, but Ti tends towards flatter cheeks as the expression from Fe leaves that area relatively untouched. Anorexia or obesity will make this an unreliable method to use, as will flat effect. Though even then, the trend should be observable when directly compared to other people's markers. Ti tends to go between neutral (reflective) and performative (Fe), Fi tends go between subtle emotion (introspective) and steamrolling (Te). Note: either can be considered "dramatic" or "expressive" in the more extroverted states, but there is a noticeable difference in tactic.
SLE has a Pe temperament: irrational. This means that SLE has a baseline of non-rigid composure (J is rigid) and a high flexibility in neutral <> excitable movement (Pi has low flexibility in this, but has non-rigid composure). Se shares these qualities with Ne, though Ne is more prone to appear scattered and distracted, and Se is more prone to appear pushy and focused.
There is much more nuance to recognizing the type in real time, but I like using this as a baseline to jump from. I find words and stories, such as typing by forum posts, to be mostly unreliable and inaccurate. I prefer seeing the types instead, literally. Not everyone appreciates this method, that is okay - I don't appreciate typing by stories. Not everyone thinks the same way (we, as typology enthusiasts, should know this better than anyone). But if even one person finds this helpful - I know you're out there somewhere - you're welcome.(This is an Fe emoji.)
Last edited by Samson; 09-11-2020 at 01:20 AM.
SLEs and EIEs are very very different
SLEs are much more grounded, blunt, fun, thinking about the physical world around them:
EIEs in comparison are much more socially graceful, think more deeply about the themes/moods of the people around them:
A lot of this is VI stuff which is wrong and only perpetuates stereotypes. SLEs are not some mythical, prized creature to hunt and obtain. To know what anyone’s type is, you have to get to know them beyond observing basic behaviors.
It’s true, there’s such wide variety in the types. (If people need typology ‘proof’ then go learn about enneagram type with instincts and tritype)
A lot of SLEs are just gonna be nice, ordinary people, just like any of the types. There’s a guy who works in a library with me who is SLE. Also know a couple of teachers..there’s an SLE friend/love interest out there for every person/type. They will most likely be super friendly to IEIs in my experience so just look out for friendly, funny guys with a strong ‘presence’. And if not, just go out in the world and do fun stuff and you’ll likely meet a like-minded SLE on the way
Last edited by Bethanyclaire; 09-24-2020 at 07:33 AM.
SLE is like a tank.
It shrugs off opinions like a tank shrugs off bullets.
You must use NLAW where the plating is thinnest aka on the Fi PolR to crack it wide open.
More like have to display Fe to them - like the man standing in front of the tank at Tiananmen Square. SLE's aren't totally heartless monsters.SLE is like a tank.
It shrugs off opinions like a tank shrugs off bullets.
You must use NLAW where the plating is thinnest aka on the Fi PolR to crack it wide open.
SLE-Ti
Yup. SLE are normal, regular people. I don’t like to admit it, but SLEs are black/white thinkers. There’s some slight room for accommodating new/updated information but ultimately there isn’t shifting going on cuz... there’s no reason to. The stereotypical redneck southern gun toting dude is (sadly) SLE. I’ve met my male counterpart as criminal prosecution attorneys while I was interning. Pretty sure the guy who helped retrieve my iPhone when I got attacked and mugged was also SLE. Very forceful and he showed up in court to testify for me. He told me he was so livid that such a lowlife scum attacked a girl. He felt like I was a strong person and asked how I was holding up, asked me if I was going to the gym (we went to the same gym). I had PTSD as a result and got a bunch of drugs after that. Ahhhhh... life an SLE isn’t all thrills
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lol idk if it's me being female but I'd like to think that I'm more intelligent with more discernment than a redneck lol
But you're right about the black and white thinking when that's needed for taking action, people don't realise it's absolutely necessary
And yeah, slight room for the accommodation of the new/updated information, I liked your way of putting it but again I'd like to think of myself as being able to take in the new info whenever needed lol
xLE are actually supposed to be good at explaining in an explicit manner and supposedly they like to explain for hours...
Your last sentences are refreshing after me having had to deal with some people who insist too much on the grey crap, lol.
Really don't try to figure out if it is Se or Te... you need to know without Socionics whether you are okay with the "command", lol
There's nothing mystical about any of this.
How to spot an SLE
I’m female, too. Lol you thought I was a dude? I separate myself away from rednecks but if it boils down to core values and views, I tend to agree with them as opposed to city folks (although I quietly agree because I don’t want attention drawn on me). Besides, in the pool of rednecks, it’s mostly Si types. The gun toting aggressive nationalist rednecks are the Se types.
Mos def. That’s because quick decision is based on efficient assortment of information. Shoot first, ask later (maybe).
Resourcefulness, Ti in service of Se.
Yes, but for different reasons. ILE like to explain because it’s their way of piecing information together due to Ne perceiving info. like pieces of a puzzle with the goal to inform others for the sake of discussion/bouncing ideas around. Whereas, SLE explain things to inform others but do it in a definite, forceful manner in order to establish their Se dominance and make quick decisions. Se wants to cut the crap and get down to what is, whereas Ne is concerned with what could be. Both long-winded because of Ti creative.xLE are actually supposed to be good at explaining in an explicit manner and supposedly they like to explain for hours...
Your last sentences are refreshing after me having had to deal with some people who insist too much on the grey area crap.
Yeah, I hate grey area shit, uninteresting and waste of time. Dealing with the known is always better than unknown.
Last edited by Lolita; 10-10-2020 at 12:27 AM.
No, no, I figured you were a girl lol, you were referring to rednecks and that's why I mentioned that.
I'm glad we don't need to be PC here lolYeah, I hate grey area shit, uninteresting and waste of time. Dealing with the known is always better than unknown.
Ahhah, that meme can be made about pretty much any IE. I think the ones that are the most blown out of proportion in socionics literature are surely Se, Ni and Ne. They are nearly fetishized.
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Honestly its both and neither. I see some pathological IEEs and ILEs in the first one.
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