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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    I could say it's a mash-up of snapshots that form pieces of a puzzle. It's not like a fluid story, more like choppy stop-motion stills like my memory tends to be overall. But it's hard to tell if they come into focus before or after I get a gut feeling/realization of something. It's not following a clear path, rather forms a reconstruction all at once that can then be inspected from a variety of different angles. It's rather the same way I approach most problems I analyze, trying to capture all the different angles of approach. I've understood that this would be closest to the H-P cognitive style.
    Ah ok yeah I have the snapshots too.

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    Took me a whopping 10 seconds to conclude LSI

    I just saw Aramas has you as delta J. I'm torn now because I usually find common ground with him on vi. I'll look more in depth tomorrow when I've slept more than a few hours the night before
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    Took me a whopping 10 seconds to conclude LSI

    I just saw Aramas has you as delta J. I'm torn now because I usually find common ground with him on vi. I'll look more in depth tomorrow when I've slept more than a few hours the night before
    I'm not seeing Se with him. Maybe LII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    I'm not seeing Se with him. Maybe LII.
    Maybe thats what it is. He seemed immediately ij and then ti base

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpyvic81 View Post
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    I get tired of Ni faster than Fe when it comes to taking/receiving input, esp if the Ni gets really vague or very unique insights so would take extra time to process and understand, and definitely I can take Fe creative endlessly from IEIs, while I was always more aware of Ni seeking than Fe seeking until I really got into getting to know myself and part of that was ofc typology too.

    I've seen several theories on how HA/DS plays out so ....... just two more such theories here conflicting with each other ofc.

    So much for these random little theories that never seem to line up with the dots properly connecting without contradictions lol. They only will if we take the strict adherence to Model A out of the picture.




    Yes, and that actually could very well be the more logically consistent way of thinking about things. Like I said above when addressing Northstar about this issue.




    I put Ti forth in such situations too.... and I type LSI-Se. Again just these little rabbithole theories
    Honestly I do not care about your subjective experiences. I’ve heard it all from you already. You’ve already said that you are negatively disposed to me, so please stop quoting me because all of your so-called logical replies are gonna be tainted by that. I don’t really care if you want to autistically comment on what I say for your own amusement, but at least remove my post tag so it doesn’t ping me, or I’m just gonna block you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    I'm not seeing Se with him. Maybe LII.
    That's a new take, as surprising as the Delta J. But nah, I'm not an intuitive type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    That's a new take, as surprising as the Delta J. But nah, I'm not an intuitive type.
    Out of curiosity, how would you rationalize why you are not an intuitive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Out of curiosity, how would you rationalize why you are not an intuitive?
    I'm concrete and focus on the present, often hyperfocused on details that others seem to overlook or ignore. I don't think much of future problems or possibilities, which is a weakness I'm acutely aware of, but have a hard time bringing myself into thinking in that way, it just feels too "fluffy". I live very much in the here and now, without thinking through the consequences of my often impulsive acts.
    I have a good sense of how my body is doing, feeling immediately what it needs or what is off. I'm just comfortable in the physical world, more than the abstract. I enjoy exerting force and seeing things happen in the real world as an immediate consequence, lifting heavy weights is satisfying. I'm also good at precisely dosing the force I apply, which is useful when dealing with small delicate components for example.
    When confronted with a problem, the natural go-to reaction is to physically interact with it and force it to solve itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    I'm concrete and focus on the present, often hyperfocused on details that others seem to overlook or ignore. I don't think much of future problems or possibilities, which is a weakness I'm acutely aware of, but have a hard time bringing myself into thinking in that way, it just feels too "fluffy".
    You mean like your gorilla q-tip hairstyle? Sorry, I had to.

    When confronted with a problem, the natural go-to reaction is to physically interact with it and force it to solve itself.
    That’s interesting. I think I can relate, but would you be able to give an example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    You mean like your gorilla q-tip hairstyle? Sorry, I had to.


    That’s interesting. I think I can relate, but would you be able to give an example?
    The hair just naturally grows that stiff and coarse, that's why I need a haircut again to not look like a q-tip. They called it hemp rope in the military when shaving it.

    If I see a problem, I don't pause to think much about it but just immediately get hands-on with it. Like if I see something wrong, broken or out of place in my opinion, I go ahead and make it the way I like without thinking whether others have an opinion about it. If I see someone doing something wrong, I watch them for a bit but if they keep struggling, then I'll just jump in and do the job myself for them. Like someone writing too slowly or making a lot of mistakes, I might get in, grab the keyboard and write it correctly. Or if they can't figure out how to do something, I'll just walk behind the counter to look at their screen and point it out for them. These are examples from work or customer service experiences. I'm very persistent in getting things done quickly and the way I want them to, pushing people to do it in a friendly but firm manner.

    One real-life example:
    I found out a suspension noise issue in the car I had recently bought, rattling/clunking over potholes at low speed and low temperatures, caused by air suspension bladder movement inside the suspension strut. I wanted the car dealer to pay for new ones (as according to our consumer protection law) and took the car to a service center. They didn't have suitably bad roads in the vicinity so they couldn't reproduce the noise, and thus according to company policy they could not recommend a replacement. I then told the tech firmly that I know what the problem is (the air suspension struts) and that he should just write in the work order "These parts are to be replaced" without any further discussion on whether the issue was noticed by the tech or not. He did it, seemingly happy that I told him exactly what to do and write on the report.

    The next issue after that was to bill the car dealer directly (again due to incredibly rigid Tesla policies), they would only accept credit card on premises and would not send invoices. I didn't want to whip out my own card and deal with the hassle of getting the dealer to pay for it later. So I approached the customer service rep in a friendly but firm manner: "I understand this is your policy and you're bound by it, but let me help you do your job (implying: to serve me)". She then fetched the workshop manager to help her. I asked the manager for his work phone, used it to call the car dealer and handed the phone back, telling him to talk to the car dealer to sort this payment issue out. They did, and everybody was happy.

    This is difficult to convey in writing, but in all these cases I don't see acting in a "Te" manner, rather in every interaction I try to be friendly and "sugar-coat" the request instead of bluntly bossing people. I find that people are much more likely to do as you want if you act like you're on their side, agreeing that their policies are stupid but understanding that they're just cogs in the machine that don't want to get in trouble. Being kind of conspiratorial but still very firm, not even expecting a refusal. Then if this approach completely fails, I'll get blunt and hostile. Like in another case where they said they would refuse to release my car without doing a software calibration (liability issues, but nothing I cared about personally) first but that it might fail and take days to resolve. Then I told the guy that it's my car and I'm taking it now whether he likes it or not. In that case they solved the software issue quickly and there was no need for conflict - we parted in friendly terms, with me thanking him for a job well done (as it truly was). But I don't take no for an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    This is difficult to convey in writing, but in all these cases I don't see acting in a "Te" manner, rather in every interaction I try to be friendly and "sugar-coat" the request instead of bluntly bossing people. I find that people are much more likely to do as you want if you act like you're on their side, agreeing that their policies are stupid but understanding that they're just cogs in the machine that don't want to get in trouble. Being kind of conspiratorial but still very firm, not even expecting a refusal. Then if this approach completely fails, I'll get blunt and hostile. Like in another case where they said they would refuse to release my car without doing a software calibration (liability issues, but nothing I cared about personally) first but that it might fail and take days to resolve. Then I told the guy that it's my car and I'm taking it now whether he likes it or not. In that case they solved the software issue quickly and there was no need for conflict - we parted in friendly terms, with me thanking him for a job well done (as it truly was). But I don't take no for an answer.
    Dude. That is 4D Te. Te is business logic. 4D Te communication style is business-like. Businesslike doesn’t have to mean bossy actually. And being able to sugar coat things naturally implies at least 2D Fe, you know that right?

    Sorry but I can’t believe you own a Tesla but you don’t get the concept of dimensionality of Te. This is too retarded for me. No more questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    DCNH is very interesting to observe in real life. It becomes a hobby. You notice that someone seems "introverted" or "extraverted" but when you interact more the real type becomes visible. DCNH is a good tool to sort out impressions, so one doesn't confuse some subtype phenomena with main type. I like it.
    This is not true. Even Gulenko wants to refer to Nardi's brain activity charts before even thinks DCNH subtype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Dude. That is 4D Te. Te is business logic. 4D Te communication style is business-like. Businesslike doesn’t have to mean bossy actually. And being able to sugar coat things naturally implies at least 2D Fe, you know that right?

    Sorry but I can’t believe you own a Tesla but you don’t get the concept of dimensionality of Te. This is too retarded for me. No more questions.
    Huh, I'm not disputing that it may be the use of Te. I said "not Te manner" because I've observed Te leads being immediately blunt with their demands. I do the Fe sugarcoating because I enjoy a positive exchange and believe that people are more likely to do what you want if the mood is right. I don't care about making them my friends though and feel icky if they start acting like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Huh, I'm not disputing that it may be the use of Te. I said "not Te manner" because I've observed Te leads being immediately blunt with their demands. I do the Fe sugarcoating because I enjoy a positive exchange and believe that people are more likely to do what you want if the mood is right. I don't care about making them my friends though and feel icky if they start acting like that.
    @_@ Fine lol.

    True, that is more of a Te lead / ego style

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    Quote Originally Posted by COVID 007 View Post
    This is not true. Even Gulenko wants to refer to Nardi's brain activity charts before even thinks DCNH subtype.
    what is not true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    what is not true?
    That you can see DCNH without in depth interview or a brain scan. OK, I never believe in what I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Honestly I do not care about your subjective experiences. I’ve heard it all from you already. You’ve already said that you are negatively disposed to me, so please stop quoting me because all of your so-called logical replies are gonna be tainted by that. I don’t really care if you want to autistically comment on what I say for your own amusement, but at least remove my post tag so it doesn’t ping me, or I’m just gonna block you.
    What the fuck are you talking about? If you can't stay reasonable and keep your personal issues out of a plain logical argument, then sure feel free to block me. At least while you are menstruating. Tho' maybe you are menstruating permanently. I don't have time nor the interest to engage with that. See ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    I'm not seeing Se with him. Maybe LII.
    Would you elaborate on what you see as Se in people?

    Pretty sure he's not like any LII lol


    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    If I see a problem, I don't pause to think much about it but just immediately get hands-on with it. Like if I see something wrong, broken or out of place in my opinion, I go ahead and make it the way I like without thinking whether others have an opinion about it. If I see someone doing something wrong, I watch them for a bit but if they keep struggling, then I'll just jump in and do the job myself for them. Like someone writing too slowly or making a lot of mistakes, I might get in, grab the keyboard and write it correctly. Or if they can't figure out how to do something, I'll just walk behind the counter to look at their screen and point it out for them. These are examples from work or customer service experiences. I'm very persistent in getting things done quickly and the way I want them to, pushing people to do it in a friendly but firm manner.
    Very relatable.


    One real-life example:
    I found out a suspension noise issue in the car I had recently bought, rattling/clunking over potholes at low speed and low temperatures, caused by air suspension bladder movement inside the suspension strut. I wanted the car dealer to pay for new ones (as according to our consumer protection law) and took the car to a service center. They didn't have suitably bad roads in the vicinity so they couldn't reproduce the noise, and thus according to company policy they could not recommend a replacement. I then told the tech firmly that I know what the problem is (the air suspension struts) and that he should just write in the work order "These parts are to be replaced" without any further discussion on whether the issue was noticed by the tech or not. He did it, seemingly happy that I told him exactly what to do and write on the report.
    This is difficult to convey in writing, but in all these cases I don't see acting in a "Te" manner, rather in every interaction I try to be friendly and "sugar-coat" the request instead of bluntly bossing people. I find that people are much more likely to do as you want if you act like you're on their side, agreeing that their policies are stupid but understanding that they're just cogs in the machine that don't want to get in trouble. Being kind of conspiratorial but still very firm, not even expecting a refusal. Then if this approach completely fails, I'll get blunt and hostile. Like in another case where they said they would refuse to release my car without doing a software calibration (liability issues, but nothing I cared about personally) first but that it might fail and take days to resolve. Then I told the guy that it's my car and I'm taking it now whether he likes it or not. In that case they solved the software issue quickly and there was no need for conflict - we parted in friendly terms, with me thanking him for a job well done (as it truly was). But I don't take no for an answer.
    I'm friendly too at first tho' when doing business, I don't try to play "conspirational" like that, unless maybe the other party seems really like inviting that kind of approach. But they would have to make things personal enough for me first, for me to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpyvic81 View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about? If you can't stay reasonable and keep your personal issues out of a plain logical argument, then sure feel free to block me. At least while you are menstruating. Tho' maybe you are menstruating permanently. I don't have time nor the interest to engage with that. See ya
    At least I know I will not be so immature while going through menopause and becoming infertile like you. See ya!

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    I think you're a delta ST 8w9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    This is actually not true and one of the reasons why activity partners get tired after a while of tickling their HAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    So I'm IEI, which means Ni base.
    So, Ti mobilizing Se dual-seeking.
    So wouldn't this make it that I prefer/crave Se more in people than Ti?

    Except, I noticed that in friendships/relationships the person being Ti/Fe but preferably Ti is the most important factor in whether I like them the most. I simply don't feel very (psychologically?) comfortable around Fi/Te the way I do with Ti/Fe. Although I get along with them just fine and even have some quite close friendships with Fi types (less so Te for obvious reasons), but I couldn't never feel as comfortable around them as with Ti/Fe types.
    If the person is Se/Ni it's a nice plus, but it seems to not be as big a factor in who i am most psychologically compatible with

    I would think that being I'm a Ni base, I would more markedly more inclined/higher preference (sry I can't english) for Ni/Se people (versus Ne/Si), but the judging functions/my creative slash mobilizing seem to be more important in what I subconsciously prefer in people.

    Please tell me if you have any thoughts, if you relate in some way..
    And multiple IEIs chimed in in agreement with him/her in this recent thread: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...0389-Thoughts?

    If that is not enough for you, look at more comments on the subject here: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ad.php?t=60149

    It’s basically more normal than not to be more into your HA than your dual-seeking. This is also what causes people to misidentify themselves as being leading types of their own HA too.

    Maybe you’ll find this relevant too @Northstar .

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    My experience as well that sharing the judging functions is way more important for compatibility than sharing the perceiving functions.

    IME, xEI often seem to latch on the Ti consciously, being more unaware of the need for Se or Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somnambulat0ry View Post
    If after correcting the error for the person they ask why you have fixed it using that method over other possible ones, would you volunteer that information pretty readily?
    would such a question irritate you?
    I would explain the background why I chose to do it this way, and that there may have been other options but I just chose the one that suited me and the situation best. It would not irritate me unless the question was posed in a challenging manner. I know there are often multiple ways to solve a problem but I find further discussion uninteresting as soon as a satisfactory method is found.

    Optimization of the way of working is a completely uninteresting topic for me, I just want results and an inefficient brute force method is fine if it doesn’t take longer than coming up with a time-saving tool. Even if said tool would be useful in the future. It’s like my brain actively resists thinking about a time-saving script, tool or whatever for smaller tasks if you can just get on and start doing it instead of thinking. It’s just more satisfying to see and feel things happening than to think.

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    wow compared to me you are MUCH less animated and very monotonous.
    My initial reaction was that you are Finnish, then I saw the German T-shirt and thought <_< ohh der muss Deutsch sein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    wow compared to me you are MUCH less animated and very monotonous.
    Yeah, I've gathered the same from your posting style which is very informal and bursting with emoticons. I could see why you were thinking IEE, but the issues you're writing about look like Fe PoLR to me. Is the animated behavior something you've adopted to try to make yourself better understood or was it always this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Yeah, I've gathered the same from your posting style which is very informal and bursting with emoticons. I could see why you were thinking IEE, but the issues you're writing about look like Fe PoLR to me. Is the animated behavior something you've adopted to try to make yourself better understood or was it always this way?
    I involuntarily copy behavior from other people I find interesting. I used to have a girlfriend who is very animated and some of it rubbed off on me over the years, which means on some level I was like that as well just didn't know it. I seem to be quite unaware and confused about how others perceive me tbh.

    Anyway, this is your thread. In the vid you are kinda like LSI-Ti subtype description, minus the arrogant part, you seem kinda friendly.

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    The logical subtype is self-assured, calm, restrained, correct and impenetrable. At times he may seem arrogant. Sufficiently kind, imperturbable, and unemotional. Very polite and attentive to details in conversation, likes to specify and clarify everything, but sometimes becomes too focused on details that are nonessential to others. Unhurried, perhaps even slow. Likes receiving exhaustively comprehensive and thorough information to his inquiries. Dislikes ambiguity. Internally, he is quite collected. Never loses his spirit and sense of perseverance. Tries to encourage those who are in need of support. Has a direct, motionless gaze that seems to look right through and not at his conversation partner. His movements are measured but constrained; there is a tendency to shuffle his feet against the floor when walking. When he turns, he does so with his entire body such that it sometimes seems like his neck is fixed to his shoulders; doesn't like to turn his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Anyway, this is your thread. In the vid you are kinda like LSI-Ti subtype description, minus the arrogant part, you seem kinda friendly.
    Yes, I could see that fitting these videos. The shuffling feet against the floor is not me though, lol. I hate when people do that and want to tell them to lift their goddamn feet properly when walking. Otherwise it's not a bad description.
    Where the -Ti subtype desc falls apart though is the "Character" description, it fits me poorly. One of my best friends is of that type though, and I can see the similarities but also major differences. I don't respect chains of command, hate regulations and am lazy about keeping records. I can't wait patiently for an outcome without constantly getting informed about the progress. He's also more comfortable with solitude than I am, I enjoy interacting with people much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    My initial reaction was that you are Finnish, then I saw the German T-shirt and thought <_< ohh der muss Deutsch sein.
    ISTx ist sicher, zu mindest meine Menung nach..
    I'm finnish by genetics so well spotted, but currently live in Sweden. I visit Germany often and have some relatives there, hence the t-shirt. Ich kann Deutsch gut verstehen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Yes, I could see that fitting these videos. The shuffling feet against the floor is not me though, lol. I hate when people do that and want to tell them to lift their goddamn feet properly when walking. Otherwise it's not a bad description.
    Where the -Ti subtype desc falls apart though is the "Character" description, it fits me poorly. One of my best friends is of that type though, and I can see the similarities but also major differences. I don't respect chains of command, hate regulations and am lazy about keeping records. I can't wait patiently for an outcome without constantly getting informed about the progress. He's also more comfortable with solitude than I am, I enjoy interacting with people much more.
    From the start you didn't seem to me like a "lawful stupid" individual, I never got that vibe despite that being the LSI description. You seem zen by comparison. I work with someone, she is kinda very anal about rules, laws and regulations. Even she is more animated than you .. but damn man, people avoid her because they fear this woman. First time I saw grown men who do heavy lifting and work with steel cower before a petite woman. I think she is Ti-Se, but you guys are nothing alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somnambulat0ry View Post
    the bolded distinction is interesting and helps to rule out SLI typing - which was my kneejerk reaction (to your first typing thread)

    A retired "potential SLI" in my life purchased a blood pressure monitor and a FODMAP breathalyser. results are recorded on a notepad; he'll make incremental adjustments to his diet or routine until he reaches a more desirable(less erratic) state of health.

    another thing he's devoted to is model planes. In my eyes, a flight is successful if persistently airborne, yet he's tirelessly adjusting the location of the battery(so fiddly) or shaving off balsa wood here and there
    ...because there is always potential for improvement. He is all about turning his thoughts to real world actions, but would not be content with using brute force to get there.

    PS: once he's done in the workshop he's back out in the field ASAP for a test flight, to see what else could be adjusted

    You seem too zen, as shotgunfingers put it, to be an EJ type or LSE.
    Yes, that's pretty typical SLI to me. One of my best friends is SLI and he's exactly like that. We both have cars as a hobby but we approach it completely differently. I always buy the most powerful and flashiest car I can afford and then tune it, until I can get an even better on to start with. He takes something that is pretty unassuming to start with but then keeps working on it and polishing all the little details for years to make it really special and to leave his own mark on it. He enjoys crafting things and making individual solutions with his own hands and disdains buying ready-made things. Whereas I only care about results and don't care about individuality or crafting things. I just buy the best thing available if I can afford it. The crafting part isn't interesting to me in that sense. He's had the same hobby car for 10 years, I've changed cars probably as many times during that time.

    One other difference to SLI that I've observed is that they often enjoy cooking for other people, being proud of their culinary skills. I couldn't care less about that and could probably eat McDonalds Quarter Pounders every day if I had to and if it wasn't unhealthy (which I'm well aware of).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    At least I know I will not be so immature while going through menopause and becoming infertile like you. See ya!
    Ah I've already figured out that these lame and weird insults are your specialty. Please feel free to either actually block me or do more weird insults

    Sorry for the offtopic Northstar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    My experience as well that sharing the judging functions is way more important for compatibility than sharing the perceiving functions.

    IME, xEI often seem to latch on the Ti consciously, being more unaware of the need for Se or Ne.
    idk in my case I can't even tell if the Ti/Fe or the Se/Ni part of the dynamics is more important to me

    they seem so close to equal in importance

    and it's like 50/50 in terms of time spent on them too
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    I can't see the Se. Is it just me or do you guys not see the Se in Northstar either?
    If OP has creative Se... it doesen't come across in the video at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    I can't see the Se. Is it just me or do you guys not see the Se in Northstar either?
    If OP has creative Se... it doesen't come across in the video at all.
    What's Se to you, how do you think it would manifest in the context of these videos? I could of course have talked about what I actually do daily instead of the technical background. Such as making decisions and choices, tasking people with things to do and making sure they get done to move the project forward. The goal of the videos was however the Ti/Fe expressiveness thing and not the other functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    What's Se to you, how do you think it would manifest in the context of these videos? I could of course have talked about what I actually do daily instead of the technical background. Such as making decisions and choices, tasking people with things to do and making sure they get done to move the project forward. The goal of the videos was however the Ti/Fe expressiveness thing and not the other functions.
    In as far as that goal is concerned imo it was sucessful. Fi role and Fe suggestive seems to fit considering you don't know any of us and consequently are more restrained than with peole you actually know and are comfortable with.

    From the videos however I can't get a sense of your Se. I have a hard time imagining you taking on an organizational role, putting people to work and making sure they do their job for example, being forceful and applying pressure on people if need be. (this is something I don't like doing for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    In as far as that goal is concerned imo it was sucessful. Fi role and Fe suggestive seems to fit considering you don't know any of us and consequently are more restrained than with peole you actually know and are comfortable with.

    From the videos however I can't get a sense of your Se. I have a hard time imagining you taking on an organizational role, putting people to work and making sure they do their job for example, being forceful and applying pressure on people if need be. (this is something I don't like doing for example)
    Okay, the problem lies with your imagination then, since that's what I actually do daily and get paid for. I don't posture needlessly like a kid that has something to prove, that is ridiculous and you're probably looking for a caricature. I'm an adult (38) that knows how to be civil and friendly, especially as that is our culture. I just increase the forcefulness gradually as necessary.

    I enjoy and have naturally taken informal or formal leadership roles of small groups, from military service to every real job I've had. Being CEO doesn't interest me that much, but I like having a small team of competent people who I direct. I believe in the "speak softly but carry a big stick" ideology, preferring a diplomatic approach first but following up with force if it doesn't work. This surprises people sometimes since I'm deceptively nice at first but that is only on the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    In as far as that goal is concerned imo it was sucessful. Fi role and Fe suggestive seems to fit considering you don't know any of us and consequently are more restrained than with peole you actually know and are comfortable with.

    From the videos however I can't get a sense of your Se. I have a hard time imagining you taking on an organizational role, putting people to work and making sure they do their job for example, being forceful and applying pressure on people if need be. (this is something I don't like doing for example)
    He’s sitting and talking. Do you think Se leads are incapable of doing that? Like do they have to be punching people and flexing every second to be Se egos or something?

    Do you think applying pressure on people means punching and yelling at them until they get into single file lineups? Lol

    Do Si egos need to be masturbating and twiddling their nipples to ASMR videos every second?

    Also, I constructive’d your prior post accidentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Okay, the problem lies with your imagination then, since that's what I actually do daily and get paid for. I don't posture needlessly like a kid that has something to prove, that is ridiculous and you're probably looking for a caricature. I'm an adult (38) that knows how to be civil and friendly, especially as that is our culture. I just increase the forcefulness gradually as necessary. I enjoy and have naturally taken informal or formal leadership roles of small groups, from military service to every real job I've had. Being CEO doesn't interest me that much, but I like having a small team of competent people who I direct.
    I believe in the "speak softly but carry a big stick" ideology, preferring a diplomatic approach first but following up with force if it doesn't work.
    Alright, now we are getting somewhere. Look, I get payed to do plenty of things I don't enjoy doing. For me what you do for a living does not necesserily mean its in line with your personality. If it were for me I would probably never allow anyone to determine how and what I have to do regarding anything period. I hate giving orders and respond with hostility to pressure, orders or any need to obey rules i deem as irrelevant.

    In terms of temperamnt from the video alone EP and EJ are out of the question. IJ and IP likely. Feeling elements aren't very good, which means Super-ego/id range at best. That narrows it down to logical introvert. From the video alone its clear you aren't intuitive, intuitives display associative thinking, you don't. We'll throw ILI and LII out the window now.

    Down to SLI vs LSI. Considering what you wrote joust now, but more specifically how you responded to my posts I think LSI is clear. SLI wouldn't enjoy being in charge due to Se demonstrative. The fact that you enjoy your work and can actually be assertive (it comes through in how you responded) is proof enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    He’s sitting and talking. Do you think Se leads are incapable of doing that? Like do they have to be punching people and flexing every second to be Se egos or something?

    Do you think applying pressure on people means punching and yelling at them until they get into single file lineups? Lol

    Do Si egos need to be masturbating and twiddling their nipples to ASMR videos every second?

    Also, I constructive’d your prior post accidentally.
    Se egos are pushy annoying competitive people, such as little bears who are into BDSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Se egos are pushy annoying competitive people, such as little bears who are into BDSM.
    Lol. I am not that pushy, I’d say. I like being annoying sometimes but I wouldn’t think I’m perceived that way usually. And I don’t like either competition or BDSM.

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