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    A thread to record random IRL conversations between EII's and LSE's.

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    Overheard in a Kroger store.

    The twenty-something female EII behind the counter was talking to her workmate.

    "I made an entire plate of food, but I only ate half of it."

    Passing older male LSE: "That's because you're wasteful!"

    EII, sarcastically "Yeah, that's the reason."

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    I told my LSE friend that I just want to work a job that I actually want. He told me "You think I like my job?!" implying that I should just take any job I can get. I told him he choose to work his job, so if he doesn't like it he could choose to work somewhere else. He then goes off on me about how he didn't choose to work there but he did it to man up and take care of his mother. It kinda turned into a little argument after that. But if that isn't classic Fi vs Te idk what is.

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    @aster, he's right, of course. Basic math only uses zeros and ones.

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    me: gets ice cream
    hubs: looks in shopping bag "this is for me!"
    me: don't eat it all in one sitting; goes for a walk - 10 minutes; comes back
    hubs: I ate the ice cream you got ME.
    me: you weren't supposed to eat all of that
    hubs: it was only a pint besides it was for ME.
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    (EII) Crossed paths with a particularly brash LSE because my friends play flag football and I join them from time to time.

    1st conversation-
    He was trying to herd a bunch of tipsy people and failing. Caught up with him and said, "What do you want?"
    LSE: "What? Why do you care?"
    EII: "They won't follow you unless you give them a reason"
    LSE: "I'm trying to take them to pocha (Korean drink/food place)"
    EII: "Then, say that instead"
    LSE: "Oh"

    Few months later-

    Predictably, he noticed my attraction to another player (SLI) and cornered me. I didn't want him to getting involved, so I bluffed.

    EII: "What if you are the one that I like?"
    LSE: "What? You like me? Since when?"
    EII: "So then?"
    LSE: "Well, you are objectively attractive- everyone knows that
    ... but..." (for the record, I am average at best)
    EII: "I'm not your type because I'm not Asian, right?"
    LSE: "Well, yes"
    EII: have no reason to be upset, but feels like a bee sting to the face

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    Apologies if there's already a similar thread. Couldn't find one.

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    28 y/o EII male
    29 y/o LSE male

    LSE: Have you ever confronted anyone EII?
    EII: Uhhhh what-what- You mean confrontation as in this dude yesterday said I sucked at *random thing (forgot)* so I told him that's not good advice and I thought it was just rude.
    LSE: Would you be open to the idea of insulting people like that?
    EII: In-Insulting people? Like randomly?
    LSE: No, like, 'you're an idiot,' and 'I don't want to talk to you again.'
    EII: *flustered* Ummm
    LSE: Or like, 'you're lowering the average IQ of this room.'
    EII: You would tell him that he's lowering the average IQ of the room?
    LSE: Yes.
    EII: *laughs* No, I.... don't think I've ever done anything that-that- Look look, LSE, just because he was rude doesn't mean I want to do it back to him.
    LSE: No, no, no. Some people who are rude need to be put in their place.
    EII: *slightly shocked exhale*
    LSE: You know, people have a place in the world. Have you ever heard the phrase, 'know your place.'
    EII: Yeah, it's usually a little mean sounding. I- I don't like it, it's....
    LSE: Well it's a quote because there's some truth in it. And by some truth, I mean a lot of truth. Some people have their place.
    EII: Uh huh
    LSE: And some people DON'T know their place. And they have to be PUT in their place every now and then.
    EII: Riiiiight, but I'm sure other people can do the deed and...
    LSE: Okay EII, let's say one of your friends is mean to another one of your friends. What do you do?
    EII: I message both of them and try to make them feel better.
    LSE: Yeah, but one person is being realllllly unreasonable. What would you do?
    EII: Yeah I would message them and try to understand why. Typically when someone's very unreasonable, they just had a very bad day. It's pretty rare for someone to go, 'wow, I had a great day. Time to go pick on this guy.' Usually they had a tough day. They were feeling bad, didn't have enough food to eat or something. And then they take it out on someone, and I'm not saying that makes it okay. But what I'm saying is, it's rarely ever the happy people who are unreasonable. It's usually people are going through something... it doesn't make it okay! It doesn't make their behaviour okay but I feel like they're already going through some bad stuff already. It doesn't excuse the mean behaviour, but I feel like it's people who go through the worst that also act worst, y'know.
    LSE: I can see that. Yeah I can see that. You know one time...

    *not the end of the convo but I forgot the rest*

    some yin and yang shit y’all




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    Apologies if there's already a similar thread. Couldn't find one.
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-Conversations

    they can probably be merged

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    This reminds of my EII mom. Typical conversation.

    EIE: This person is really pissing me off. He's a fucking idiot. Why are people so rude?!
    EII: Maybe he's just having a bad day. Did you reach out to him to find out what really happened?
    EIE: No. The person is just being stupid. But I guess you have a point.
    EII: Maybe you can reach out to him when you feel better or not.. whatever you decide.
    EIE: Oh ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    thanks mod



    LSE: You can't bang a personality.

    ~

    LSE: Recently I went through *something bad* and I put it on social media. So I get messages from girls saying, "You're a nice guy," or, "You're a great guy-"
    EII: And they're right about it, 'cause you really are
    LSE: Yeah shutthefuckup.
    EII: *laughs*
    LSE: Then they share their own bad experiences with me, like in a heartfelt manner, and it's very-
    EII: That means they trust you.
    LSE: So 50% of my DMs are girls sliding in and 50% of the girls messaging me are like, people trying to share intimate negative experiences they had. So I have this weird- so it's like this weird dichotomy and I'm really worried about responding to the wrong DMs with the wrong kind of response.
    EII: Oh! I'm just gonna say it- you're afraid you're going to hit on a girl that is feeling really sad.
    LSE: *giggles* Haha yeah.
    EII: *laughs* Well that just shows how considerate you are and that you really just want to make people comfortable, right?
    LSE: *serious tone* What I'm trying to say is... I thought I would be happy if I had girls DMing me but I don't feel... it. It's very superficial sense of fulfillment.
    EII: Right.
    LSE: I feel like DMing will never make me interested in girls.
    EII: You heard it here first! *jokingly* Don't DM LSE or it's over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    thanks mod



    LSE: You can't bang a personality.

    ~

    LSE: Recently I went through *something bad* and I put it on social media. So I get messages from girls saying, "You're a nice guy," or, "You're a great guy-"
    EII: And they're right about it, 'cause you really are
    LSE: Yeah shutthefuckup.
    EII: *laughs*
    LSE: Then they share their own bad experiences with me, like in a heartfelt manner, and it's very-
    EII: That means they trust you.
    LSE: So 50% of my DMs are girls sliding in and 50% of the girls messaging me are like, people trying to share intimate negative experiences they had. So I have this weird- so it's like this weird dichotomy and I'm really worried about responding to the wrong DMs with the wrong kind of response.
    EII: Oh! I'm just gonna say it- you're afraid you're going to hit on a girl that is feeling really sad.
    LSE: *giggles* Haha yeah.
    EII: *laughs* Well that just shows how considerate you are and that you really just want to make people comfortable, right?
    LSE: *serious tone* What I'm trying to say is... I thought I would be happy if I had girls DMing me but I don't feel... it. It's very superficial sense of fulfillment.
    EII: Right.
    LSE: I feel like DMing will never make me interested in girls.
    EII: You heard it here first! *jokingly* Don't DM LSE or it's over.
    This seems like a kind of conversation I would have with an LSE

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    LSE to EII: You're really bad at self-preservation.
    EII: My dog and I might be related.
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Finding the right-fit dual was damn hard, but grateful to have been with LSE for a year.

    TDLR; I got a rare pepper from a chef friend (LIE) who smuggled the seeds into the country and I wanted to gift it to chef boyfriend (LSE). But, he dropped off the earth for 2 weeks (among other issues), and we had a phone call to clear things up.

    LSE: "I didn't know something was wrong"
    EII: "hjjhfdsjhfvdjhfjhs..... don't treat valued relationships like this.....dshduhsd"
    LSE: "You're right. It's my fault. I didn't mean to make you feel sad or disrespected. I'm not going to do that again."

    Later-

    EII:"....(changed behavior blah blah) that I need from you. What do you need from me?"
    LSE: "I need you... to eat carbs. They are essential for optimal body function."

    We were both in agreement and at ease by the end-

    EII: "So, do you want the pepper then?"
    LSE: "Of course, I'm going to eat that shit"
    EII: "One bite?"
    LSE: "Uh huh.."
    EII: "Sweat all over your body with a fiery bathroom trip later?"
    LSE: "...twerking.. my ass"
    EII: (I laughed a lot)
    LSE: "I'll twerk for you if you let me try your cooking"
    EII: "My cooking? Nah, nah- bad idea"
    LSE: "Test day is coming, EII. Get ready for it."
    EII: "Is that the deal we are making?"
    Last edited by sojourn; 10-08-2021 at 09:58 AM. Reason: poor grammar lol

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    Me: *asks somewhat vague but earnest question about a topic that was LSE's field of study*
    LSE: *lights up and begins talking*
    LSE: *decides he's been too specific, backs up and adds more context*
    LSE: *even more context and how it ties to the original question*
    Me: *eyes start glazing over*
    LSE: *more explaining, with improvised diagrams involving coasters and placemats*
    Me: *internally wonders if there's a better way to ask the same question to get a quicker answer*
    LSE: *examples and anecdotes, each with their own explanations*
    Me: *lays head on table*
    LSE: *brief concerned expression*
    LSE: *finishes rabbit trail #42*
    LSE: Does that make sense?
    Me: I have to pee.




    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    LSE: *more explaining, with improvised diagrams involving coasters and placemats*
    Me: *internally wonders if there's a better way to ask the same question to get a quicker answer*
    LSE: *examples and anecdotes, each with their own explanations*
    Me: *lays head on table*
    LSE: *brief concerned expression*
    LSE: *finishes rabbit trail #42*
    LSE: Does that make sense?
    Me: I have to pee.




    Aw man, Minde- this is adorable, but also, this is too real haha!!

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    God these read like the uncanny valley of conversations for me. Hell with the tone of a kids TV show.

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    LSE:Let’s plan on taking your car in on Wednesday and on Thursday I have a doctors appointment so on Saturday we’ll take her to the new playground

    Me: Ok!
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    I mean we have heated conversation over which policies were passed under which party president. I will then whip out the good old search engine and google it and put the proof under his nose and he then acknowledges me being right. I tell him I’m always right (because I do enjoy history and politics). It’s impressive how much information EII can be interested in without wanting to be necessarily. I will not however sit there for hours watching a development of each story like Ukraine. I know why it started and what Putin wants and what I want and that’s all I need to know lol

    Me: Are you watching this again???!?!?!
    LSE: I like to know what’s going on
    Me: I know babe but seriously just shoot my brains out… let’s go out for soft serve ice cream.
    LSE: ok! Shuts off TV
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    ^ Steve and I might be dating the same women.


    In doing research for my reply to the above post, I discovered that DC Comics has a storyline in which Wonder Woman and Superman are romantically linked.

    Superman isn’t a human. Doesn’t the Comics Code have rules against sex between humans and non-humans?
    To say nothing of the fact that it would be dangerous. Just read the essay “Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex”.

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    Me: *paying my bill to an LSE church member*

    Serious LSE lady: *laughs* "You only talk to me when you're giving me money.

    weeks later

    Serious LSE lady: *walks up to me with a fist bump* "Come on! Break the ice!"

    Me: *awkwardly fist bumps with a side eye* well this is unexpected.

    Serious LSE lady: *looks at SLI next to me* "Ha! Well LP doesn't know me every well" *gives me a funny shove and takes off*

    Me: ???0.o

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojourn View Post
    (EII) Crossed paths with a particularly brash LSE because my friends play flag football and I join them from time to time.

    1st conversation-
    He was trying to herd a bunch of tipsy people and failing. Caught up with him and said, "What do you want?"
    LSE: "What? Why do you care?"
    EII: "They won't follow you unless you give them a reason"
    LSE: "I'm trying to take them to pocha (Korean drink/food place)"
    EII: "Then, say that instead"
    LSE: "Oh"

    Few months later-

    Predictably, he noticed my attraction to another player (SLI) and cornered me. I didn't want him to getting involved, so I bluffed.

    EII: "What if you are the one that I like?"
    LSE: "What? You like me? Since when?"
    EII: "So then?"
    LSE: "Well, you are objectively attractive- everyone knows that
    ... but..." (for the record, I am average at best)
    EII: "I'm not your type because I'm not Asian, right?"
    LSE: "Well, yes"
    EII: have no reason to be upset, but feels like a bee sting to the face
    This... Hits. On many levels. I now got another data point. The ILI/SEE dualization process is actually quite similar to the LSE/EII dualization. Makes sense given how while the LSE will be quite frustrated by the ILI the EII will forgive almost everything they do as that's kinda what you do when you're on the business end of the benefit relationship. ILI's "benefit" EII's after all.

    This is also how an LSI-SLE couple could really fuck me up. Truly manipulate me in all the worst ways were I also ignorant of how attachment tends to work.

    Also, don't discount being merely "average" in appearance as a female. The "Siren" seductive type is more about the aura they project over their objective HB score. Cleopatra was only slightly above average in her appearance if the historical record is to be believed (I.E. She was merely an HB 7, 8 tops) yet in the eyes and minds of the likes of Cesar and Mark Antony she was literally an incarnation of Aphrodite (The goddess of sex, love and lust among others). An HB infinity.

    You can pull off a similar effect in the mind of your target, but it'll require you to be truly vulnerable and honest with yourself. A thing you can only really manage if you fix your attachment...

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