ILE-Ti's extreme frustration with people with Non-verbal learning disorder.

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Thank you so much for replying. Because ILE-Ti have better Si and Ti (people with NVLD have extreme weakness in Si and Ti) than ILE-Ne do. ILE-Ti have better spatial reasoning, perception, and awareness and object awareness than ILE-Ne; in those ways, ILE-Ne are closer in that regard to the average person with NVLd. ILE-Ti are more likely to be in regular jobs (say, working at a grocery store) than ILE-Ne, and if someone can't figure out how to use the automated check out line all on their own as some with NVLD would have trouble doing, then an ILE-Ti would be frustrated having to constantly help them. ILE-Ti don't like being asked by people how to use a GUI, but they're more likely to be asked by relatives to do that an ILE-Ne would be at least partly because ILE-Ti would be more likely to be thought of as highly proficient at using a GUI (which they are), so demands for help by people who don't know how to use them, can't figure out, hit ILE-Ti more frequently and harder than they do ILE-Ne.

Although the Ne part isn't quite as relevant to NVLD, ILE-Ne's Ne actually doesn't even work as well as the ILE-Ti's Ne (and their Ti, Si, and even Fe are worse and of course their Se).. ILE-Ti's work is more original, more financially successful, more popular (though not in all cases), looks better, their selections of everything look better, sound better, can do analysis of science well (the Ne type is nowhere near as good at that), they're better at appearing tender when they want to, they're better at noticing originality, more logical, and more successful and more socially skilled, the logical type is also less serious in demeanor, and is goofier, has better coordination, plays with peoples' minds more (the Ne subtype appears more definite and serious when expressing their views, while you're more likely to get an impression of playfulness or gentle, cute irritation from the Ti subtype when they're pissed off or saying something that pisses people off), looks more feminine/better/more beautiful, the Ti type always has an above average tibia to overall height ratio, has smoother movements on average, great spatial awareness, and has great awareness of visual details in their environment.

As @sbbds already pointed out, the underlined is theoretically unsound.

Separately, I would be curious what the theoretical justification is for different bodily proportions based on type/subtype.

Also, curious why you think "Ne subtype appears more definite and serious when expressing their views" whereas Ti subtype is less so, because that is exactly backwards of what theory would predict. Rational subtype will be more definitive for sure, if not also more serious.

The bolded part seems vaguely and only partially theoretically plausible to me, and unlike you, I'll bother to explain why. If the ILE-Ti is taken as a contact subtype, this means they would have strengthened Te demonstrative. Others would notice (since the demonstrative is often more visible to others than to the person themselves) ILE-Ti's skill in Te more so than ILE-Ne's skill in Te. Then ILE-Ti may get more requests for help with Te stuff (GUI/software help is one example).

Because this is Te stuff, it's not going to be valued by either subtype, and requests for a strong, but unvalued, element would indeed become irritating. But I don't see how it would irritate one subtype more than the other, except as a byproduct of the Ti subtype being asked more (which is redundant with the point addressed already in first paragraph). Basically, why do you think that ILE-Ti more than ILE-Ne don't like being asked how to use GUI.

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As @sbbds already pointed out, the underlined is theoretically unsound.

OK.

Separately, I would be curious what the theoretical justification is for different bodily proportions based on type/subtype.

It's observable. I've observed it.

Also, curious why you think "Ne subtype appears more definite and serious when expressing their views" whereas Ti subtype is less so, because that is exactly backwards of what theory would predict. Rational subtype will be more definitive for sure, if not also more serious.

It is backwards of what theory would predict, but the Ne type is more obstinate when arguing, they change course or change it into a joke less than the Ti type does. So theory you're thinking about is not predictive, but things can certainly be observed. I should've said definitive. Thanks for pointing that out.

The bolded part seems vaguely and only partially theoretically plausible to me, and unlike you, I'll bother to explain why. If the ILE-Ti is taken as a contact subtype, this means they would have strengthened Te demonstrative. Others would notice (since the demonstrative is often more visible to others than to the person themselves) ILE-Ti's skill in Te more so than ILE-Ne's skill in Te. Then ILE-Ti may get more requests for help with Te stuff (GUI/software help is one example).

Haha OK. They do have strengthened Te, but just because the theory says contact functions are strengthened and contact ones weakened doesn't mean that they actually are with all subtypes. In the ILE-Ti's case, they are more proficient with all the functions except Fi (compared to the ILE-Ne).

Because this is Te stuff, it's not going to be valued by either subtype, and requests for a strong, but unvalued, element would indeed become irritating. But I don't see how it would irritate one subtype more than the other, except as a byproduct of the Ti subtype being asked more (which is redundant with the point addressed already in first paragraph). Basically, why do you think that ILE-Ti more than ILE-Ne don't like being asked how to use GUI.

Because they're asked more and because they're more concerned with being taken advantage of than the ILE-Ne due to weaker Fi.

Thank you. Sorry.

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OK.


It's observable. I've observed it.

It is backwards of what theory would predict, but the Ne type is more obstinate when arguing, they change course or change it into a joke less than the Ti type does. So theory you're thinking about is not predictive, but things can certainly be observed. I should've said definitive. Thanks for pointing that out.

Haha OK. They do have strengthened Te, but just because the theory says contact functions are strengthened and contact ones weakened doesn't mean that they actually are with all subtypes. In the ILE-Ti's case, they are more proficient with all the functions except Fi (compared to the ILE-Ne).

Because they're asked more and because they're more concerned with being taken advantage of than the ILE-Ne due to weaker Fi.

Thank you. Sorry.

lmao alright. So basically you're just relying on your own observations here with no theoretical, or empirical for that matter, backing.

So you have nothing. Good to know. lol

The bolded one is plausible. But not with your rationale. It'd be that ILE-Ti has strengthened T and suppressed F, so suppressed Fi.

And "Thank you. Sorry." is hilarious.