I should ask my Dr if I'm at higher risk for complications but I keep not doing that? I don't know why? But if covid can create brain injury, the brain uses oxygen, and brain injuries affect the immune system, that does sound definitely plausible. But if there's a lack of study, it wouldn't surprise me because "haha brain damage" is a thing, so a lack of shits given by society at large is obvious. I think part of the reason I don't ask is because I would anticipate a casual shrug ghhdfbk.
Edit: I've done my Google and if you feel like it and find something more vague than "maybe, no special reason, maybe if your immune system is fucked up or something, anyway, wash your hands" I'm all ears.
I'm going to make this clear, cause I'm so sick of seeing it. Everyone is like, "oh you can get infected, the antibodies don't last very long". While there are rare scenarios, where reinfection can occur. The virus may be weird somehow and do something funky to the immune system, or the person may have a compromised immune system. There doesn't seem to be any indication of this though. Most viruses act differently in how long you retain high levels of antibodies. Just because you have low levels though doesn't mean you can't reproduce the antibodies. B cells produce antibodies. You end up with memory B cells. B cells express the antibody on their surface. They come in contact with the particular antigen, they will begin to produce antibodies again, very quickly raising your levels of antibodies. Everything isn't about B cells though, there is also T cells, and along with them memory T-cells. This thing that is spreading about how antibodies don't stay in your system very long or whatever, it is very misleading and most likely has nothing to do with whether reinfection will occur.
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If you get the virus, you are better off doing all you can to avoid the hospital. Unplug your WIFI router while you get well, and get sun on as much of your body as possible daily. Plenty of immune boosters. Sauna if you have a way (if youhave one, you know it helps and would do it anyway). But hospital? Do what you can to avoid it!
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Staying home every day is driving me absolutely nuts. I can't stand this.
I was in the deli section of a Whole Foods store and asked the woman behind the counter why the item selection was down. She said that sales just in her department in the store went from over $100k/week to $15k/week.
It's a tough life.
It's been easy for me to stay home and spend all my time alone, but I keep thinking the world revolves around me so I am like why is the virus not eradicated yet? I rarely go outside. It's been months. Where is the progress? Why is the virus still winning?
So to eat in a restaurant you must provide your full name, your phone number, or an email they can contact you if you get sick or someone else does.
This is the new normal. It's just a flu virus that kills a tiny amount of old people and immune compromised.
Give me a fucking break. Either it's worse than the public is being told, or it's not worse and a tight big brother control is the accepted new normal for an illness that's hardly all that bad.
I'm starting to see why Americans are so pissed off. Why should people have to give identifiers to eat at a restaurant? We've all accepted that covid is reason enough for the Establishment to keep you inside your home..when let's say, you can walk around with HIV, or Helps, freely, and are not even required by law to share your status if not asked?
So, this communicable illness is so deadly, or not, that the State can monitor your movements on Earth, make you wear masks, make you reveal your identity to businesses just to use those businesses, and you have no choice but to participate and this will continue indefinitely and there is nothing you are allowed to do about it.
Further if you want to participate in the new normal, you must have cell phone data. Otherwise you are considered to dangerous to even be in the same room. So our technology is allowing us to live with a new pathogen, that is apparently not that bad, or is that bad depending on your news source, and your Governments will only allow society to function as long as they use strict guidelines, which monitor a virus that isn't all that bad, and that came from nature, but your Government cannot ask questions as to the origin of said pathogen, as that is both racist and impossible, given the country of origin destroyed the original samples due to safety concerns, and you are supposed to just, you know, follow orders without any proper answers. In fact, stop asking questions, just do as you are told, it's for your safety.
This winter is going to be a shit show.
The majority of Americans aren't angry about measures to stop the virus in any poll, and the majority are worried about the virus. This has been true all along. Those Trump people with guns holding signs saying "let the weak die" don't represent the majority. No one wants their parents and grandparents to die. And being immunocompromised is not the only thing that puts people at increased risk. Plenty of Americans who aren't elderly have died.
If the virus kills 1 in 100 infected that's a massive number afaic. Anyway it's all a mess now and I don't know what people should do anymore. We can't afford to shut down indefinitely. It feels we used our time poorly as a country.
I personally wouldn't be willing to eat at a restaurant. Though I ride public transportation and that's risky... But anyway it sounds like whatever restaurants are trying to help with contact tracing, and contact tracing is important. That said, I'm wary about contact tracing via apps because I don't trust that the data won't be used for other reasons too, and don't want a culture where we all watch each other and are overly in one another's business. But I'm on the fence with apps because otoh it could really help.
Last edited by inumbra; 07-04-2020 at 10:30 PM.
Its time to throw conservatives (conserving nothing at this point, pathetic), the republicans, democrats, the socialist left & lolbertarians (or the equivalent of the left-right paradigm in your country) into the trash man.. before its too late, if it isn't already that. Corporate control must be opposed at every turn.
I don't like corporate rule but I don't think the pandemic is leading to corporations trying to control us by keeping us indoors. It's limiting their free market. Granted due to government bail outs the big corporations are profiting off the pandemic. But I just don't sense a conspiracy to control our movements, just a bunch of concern about spread of the virus.
And the Republicans have their corporate backers too who I assume have been against closing down the economy and restricting movement from the start because it messes with the market. The Republicans have been fighting shut downs because of their corporate backers (I don't pretend it's because they care about their constituents).
I guess the left could somehow use this to restrict people more but I don't see the link between restricting speech and this... Even celebrities have been whining about being stuck in their mansions. Like, nobody likes this.
OK, I've said that my costs of business have fallen through the floor while my income has stayed the same.
In the case of most companies, their cost of labor has dropped because they told their employees to stay home, and stopped paying them. Their payroll costs have dropped significantly. In many cases, their business income continues to roll on. They may even be compensated by the govt for the COVID-related loss of income, if they have one. And they still aren't paying workers.
When your costs drop and your income remains the same, what happens to your company's profits? And how can the average person benefit from the increased profitability of the average company?
Hint: Your personal economy might be a smoking crater, but companies' share prices are going to go up because they will have more cash, and because the owners of the company own stock, they will use the increased profits to pay higher dividends. This is why the stock market is not tanking along with the incomes of the average worker.
Buy stock. Do what the rich do. The rich are not going to lose this game. They make the rules.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 07-06-2020 at 04:28 AM.
its not just small to medium businesses tho: https://www.bloombergquint.com/globa...ock-from-virus
Every party depends financially on corporate backers. Its why they don't give a damn about the ppl they are supposed to represent. Bought and sold to the highest bidder. Remember that next time they start talking about the GDP.And the Republicans have their corporate backers too who I assume have been against closing down the economy and restricting movement from the start because it messes with the market. The Republicans have been fighting shut downs because of their corporate backers (I don't pretend it's because they care about their constituents).
Obviously you have never been banned off major platforms for wrong-think, it seems you aren't even aware of the extent that this is happening or you are complying with social pressure by default so you don't have to.I guess the left could somehow use this to restrict people more but I don't see the link between restricting speech and this... Even celebrities have been whining about being stuck in their mansions. Like, nobody likes this.
duh. Hence the word too in my post. I was pointing out that big right wing corporations haven't been for restricting our movements or really for any measure the contain the virus to shoot down the idea of a unified corporate conspiracy to restrict our movements or control us.Every party depends financially on corporate backers. Its why they don't give a damn about the ppl they are supposed to represent. Bought and sold to the highest bidder. Remember that next time they start talking about the GDP.
you obviously are quick to make assumptions. I am afraid of the left restricting freedom of speech, expression and thought. I don't see the correlation with a corporate conspiracy of restricting our movements because of a pandemic.Obviously you have never been banned off major platforms for wrong-think, it seems you aren't even aware of the extent that this is happening or you are complying with social pressure by default so you don't have to.
Not everything is a conspiracy. We're being asked to wear masks and there are restrictions in areas in which we gather or extra rules because there is a virus spreading that sickens and kills enough of us that people are worried. I don't see it as stage 1 of the take down of all our civil liberties and was asking why it's ahem actually this integral part of the other trend in which freedom of speech and expression is being limited, rather than simply a response to a pandemic. And maybe part of the disconnect is that I'm coming from a US perspective and maybe responding to people who aren't? Maybe it feels like a government take over in Europe or something? (It's not a government take over in the US; our government is ruled by corporations and is therefore incredibly weak willed. If the corporations wanted to restrict our movements or control us due to the pandemic there'd be bipartisan support of draconian measures in our government because they are corporate puppets.)
Corporate rule just isn't why restaurants are asking we social distance, why health officials say we need testing and contact tracing (and some businesses are willing to help with contact tracing), or why anyone is trying to take steps to stop this virus. And if more people had been trying to take steps perhaps fewer people would be dead. The end. The main corporate influence I see here is the one that influenced our politicians in the US to not shut down hard enough in the beginning, and not help the American people who were then left jobless while instead focusing on bailing out the most powerful corporations who needed the least help compared to every day citizens struggling to pay rent and feed themselves, leading to us wasting our time and failing to contain the virus while also leaving the economy in shambles and setting back individual people's lives for years because they have to climb out of a hole of financial ruin and debt. The US has the most incompetent virus response on planet Earth (and that IS because we're the biggest corporatocracy on Earth). We failed to contain, we failed to help our people, and yes most of our relief package went to corporations (who shoved out small businesses like the big jerks they are). That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy when we are inconvenienced going out to eat.
PS our corporate ruled system is also why the US has a health care system that is too expensive for most people which is why in part we're a very unhealthy country and more of us are susceptible to die from this virus or suffer major health complications.
Last edited by inumbra; 07-06-2020 at 03:25 PM.
Being progressive helps the bottom line as well: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7...ally-unpopular
If you think logically diluting the workforce through immigration means you have more ppl looking for a job, so you can pay less for the same work while fishing for the perfect candidate.
:-P its not hard to see whats going on.. there is no conspiracy, its plain to see for anyone who has eyes. Simple mutual benefit and opportunism. Corporations will make use of anything to further the bottom line.
I don't see corporations paying lip service to progressive ideals as truly progressive. The progressive political movement is supposed to challenge corporate power. Nike and the like are not progressive, they are neoliberal. They do indeed want to affect culture while leaving racial and class inequality the same. They will be interested in diversifying the upper classes but not in actually changing the system in which over 50% of people are largely powerless including a lot of racial minorities. They are not really progressive. It's very difficult for any corporation to truly be progressive because they rely on a system of class inequity. They are however trying to corporatize the progressive movement, which if they do succeed it will be rendered meaningless.
The danger in the progressive movement is restricting freedom of speech and expression, and I agree the corporations would be fine keeping that part while ditching doing anything that will really change the unequal state of society. All image, no substance.
But a weak government can never appropriately regulate corporations. The problem is they are in our government overriding the actual people. So all our government officials listen to them instead of to us. They infiltrate every movement that started with the people genuinely trying to fight back.
The government is failing in its job to protect the people from that which would undermine their rights by failing to keep corporate power in check. They are indeed undermining our privacy, our speech, our expression, etc. The corporations are also driving income inequality. If people try to vote left to stop them they risk restriction of their freedom of privacy, speech, expression. If they vote right, they vote for decreased corporate regulation and therefore increased inequality and more financial hardship (and ultimately then for more restrictions of speech, privacy, expression). But without government regulation they can't be held in check... The whole reason they've been able to do this is because they weren't regulated enough.
Anyway I wasn't careful enough in replying to people in this thread and suspect we all agree more than disagree. I think my main point of disagreement is that the virus is serious to me. It's not something to ignore. The US has done a really bad job managing it, and if we restrict nothing we will keep repeating what happened in New York, and I don't want that. And the problem in the US managing the virus is weak government. If they actually worked to stop the spread and help their actual citizens with the financial fallout, then the corporations couldn't profit, and the corporations can't have that, so they pull the puppet strings and government once again serves them instead of us.
Last edited by inumbra; 07-06-2020 at 04:18 PM.
This is in line with how things went historically tbh..see China.The danger in the progressive movement is restricting freedom of speech and expression, and I agree the corporations would be fine keeping that part while ditching doing anything that will really change the unequal state of society. All image, no substance.
Yeah, they benefit, why wouldn't they?But a weak government can never appropriately regulate corporations. The problem is they are in our government overriding the actual people. So all our government officials listen to them instead of to us. They infiltrate every movement that started with the people genuinely trying to fight back.
Going back to the left has won as an idea, I too feel that sinking feeling, but it's not what I see as the left because it's not about changing real things. It's about cultural ideas, a dogma, and in my view no action and you are not real. Changing how we talk about things while changing nothing practically is BS. It's empty. So I can agree that's about controlling us. I just see the pandemic as not the heart of this. This was here long before covid.
I'm so glad to hear news that most people are concerned because I've been very quiet about this since discussion makes me emotionally vulnerable largely because (and I understand there is nuance and more thinking involved than this but on a purely visceral level) I tend to see this as a question of when killing the weak is permissible. Which makes me a lot more empathetic to pro-lifers (and I'm sure many feel justified in opposing masks etc just as I do in being pro-choice). Anyway, rambling, but I caught a link @inumbra posted and wanted to thank her.
I might be biased about lockdowns (contributing to ambivalence that ramps up my emotional hair trigger) because now that I don't see going out and experiencing stimulation and exertion as an option, my injured brain is like woah maybe THAT'S why I was so miserable hey hey, I'll take this. Let's make a work from home option stick ok
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