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    Based on your link

    I'd say a robot and therefore normalizing.
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    @Heretic 007, working now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    @Heretic 007, working now?
    It's working and .... you're giving off creative subtype vibes. Which is an interesting combination for an e1.

    edit: actually change that to Harmonizing
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    It's working and .... you're giving off creative subtype vibes. Which is an interesting combination for an e1.

    edit: actually change that to Harmonizing
    Thanks @silke. At this point I can see any of the types except Normalizing...but yeah, leaning towards Harmonizing. Was curious if anyone else would see that, too, or if I'd get an insight that would help me see a blind spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Thanks @silke. At this point I can see any of the types except Normalizing...but yeah, leaning towards Harmonizing. Was curious if anyone else would see that, too, or if I'd get an insight that would help me see a blind spot.
    Hmm yeah as you have mentioned yourself in the video you're not ignoring, and since you don't VI/speak like a D-subtype that only leaves Harmonizing on the table.

    On a typing sidenote, you might also take a closer look at the instincual stacking, bc you VI like syn-flow so/sx and not the contra flow sx/so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    On a typing sidenote, you might also take a closer look at the instincual stacking, bc you VI like syn-flow so/sx and not the contra flow sx/so.
    I wonder if it's just the Fe coming through? Or being a little nervous, I wasn't fully myself.

    I toy with the idea of So/Sx every so often. Have had people close to me IRL confirm they think I'm Sexual, but it's hard to know which area I feel the issues most strongly since I've had seasons where one instinct feels harder or more "triggered" than in another season. I looked at Beatrice Chestnut's descriptions of the Social One as "Non-Adaptability" and Sexual One as "Zeal" and didn't find much clarity there, but I resonate with the idea of being a countertype
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    You don't seem to fit H or C.

    Anyways there are presubtyped IEI's.

    Dominant: Renata Litinova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zP8dFR9tSA
    Creative: SergeyZverev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arvUE_7dHGQ
    Normalizing: Gregory Vitsin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHxzr74jZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlM9wm01Jk
    Harmonizing: Oleg Mityaev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyQZaotoUE

    I think your organization fits best with dominant – the most financially capable IEI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    You don't seem to fit H or C.

    Anyways there are presubtyped IEI's.

    Dominant: Renata Litinova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zP8dFR9tSA
    Creative: SergeyZverev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arvUE_7dHGQ
    Normalizing: Gregory Vitsin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHxzr74jZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlM9wm01Jk
    Harmonizing: Oleg Mityaev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyQZaotoUE

    I think your organization fits best with dominant – the most financially capable IEI.
    The bathtub! The cat! Lol, where are these videos from? Thanks for your input...even though the cat video is more like my own life , I could see dominant considering the financially capable piece. I am pretty driven with my business and with goals in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    The bathtub! The cat! Lol, where are these videos from? Thanks for your input...even though the cat video is more like my own life , I could see dominant considering the financially capable piece. I am pretty driven with my business and with goals in general.
    Those are Gulenko's own typings from his machine translated website.
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    the problem with the three dichotomies is that depending on your type you might not relate that much with them.

    contact types don't fear dangerous situations, and that doesn't mean social anxiety, but life threatening situations. their body releases adrenaline and noradrenalin, which makes them move towards a source of potential dangers, while distant types try to get away from a source of danger. (most women in my opinion fall into the distant dichotomy, which probably has biological reasons). contact types even look for this sort of thrill, regularily provoking arguments with others etc.

    terminating and initiating is a bit tricky depending on your rational/irrational dichotomy. terminating irrationals won't plan everything through, but they are able to set goals and go through with them on a long term basis. intitiating subtypes can be compared to sprinters. they move forward to tackle new problems, but it is difficult for them to bring things to completion when they get bored or lose interest. terminating subtypes can for example study something for a long period of time simply out of responsibility.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2c7ajzZ4zk

    connecting/ignoring can also be tricky if you are an ethical type, because you are constantly aware of the emotional atmosphere around you. what it means is more that you pay attention to external factors that change in your enviroment, and if the opinions of others influence your decisions or not.

    from your 2 minute video, my intuition got the impression that you are a normalising subtype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    The bathtub! The cat! Lol, where are these videos from? Thanks for your input...even though the cat video is more like my own life , I could see dominant considering the financially capable piece. I am pretty driven with my business and with goals in general.
    Yeah very business-like style. Also very driven style in the video. That is a lot for Te PoLR.
    Another normalizing here IEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Aeh7CwxNw - kind of grounding and withdrawn thinking you are quite far and it actually looks like you would "appreciate" this sort of "dictation".
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    terminating irrationals won't plan everything through, but they are able to set goals and go through with them on a long term basis.
    This is usually me if I really want something. I think it's what has enabled me to be so self-sufficient, but self-sufficiency can also make you look like you never need anything...trying to get better about that.

    connecting/ignoring can also be tricky if you are an ethical type, because you are constantly aware of the emotional atmosphere around you. what it means is more that you pay attention to external factors that change in your enviroment, and if the opinions of others influence your decisions or not.
    I'll have to think on this one more...my Ni is hard to sway and I've pretty much always followed my own path, but I can see how others' opinions have influenced me if we're really close.

    from your 2 minute video, my intuition got the impression that you are a normalising subtype.
    And now one vote for normalizing! @Heretic 007 noticed I seem driven (which I am), is that common for normalising?

    Hey thanks for taking the time to contribute your knowledge, I appreciate it I'm curious if you've experienced a change in subtype in your own life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    This is usually me if I really want something. I think it's what has enabled me to be so self-sufficient, but self-sufficiency can also make you look like you never need anything...trying to get better about that.



    I'll have to think on this one more...my Ni is hard to sway and I've pretty much always followed my own path, but I can see how others' opinions have influenced me if we're really close.



    And now one vote for normalizing! @Heretic 007 noticed I seem driven (which I am), is that common for normalising?

    Hey thanks for taking the time to contribute your knowledge, I appreciate it I'm curious if you've experienced a change in subtype in your own life?
    I have always been a creative subtype. I've noticed subtype changes among my family and friends, but it was usually during a life changing event. I would say that dominant subtypes are very unlikely to browse this website, since they have a low focus on introverted functions and are therefore not very self-reflective (it's a hindrance for dominant behaviour). they are usualls out there improving the efficiency of their enviroment

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    subtypes is non-Socionics nonsense
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    subtypes is non-Socionics nonsense
    Hi, @Sol. Nice to see you again.

    And no, subtypes are not nonsense. They go a long way towards explaining why the ESI-Fi types drift towards me and the ESI-Se subtypes are irritated by me. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    And no, it isn't.
    Socionics is Jung + Augustinavichiute [in their correct and possibly correct parts, where Jung's word is weighter] + anything new objectively proved about Jung types

    Gulenko's fantasies about DCNH subtypes are non of this. formally, it should be called as one of hypothetical personality typologies

    the other approach is to mislead noobs by assigning random hypotheses to Socionics brand. baseless and doubtful ones which have high chance to be incorrect. then people think about Socionics what it's not and do mistakes which could be avoided
    the main application of those theory additions is to mask the controvertion to normal theory. to mask the mistakes, which are very common for today typology practice (what's evident in high % of typing mismatches)

    use the normal scientific approach to Socionics as you'd do with other knowledges. that Socionics stays on hypotheses level does not mean anything may be called by this term. it's not a game
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    This is how I type IEI subtypes:

    Dominant IEI: Maria Veitola, Finnish talk show host
    Creative IEI: Roman Polanski, movie director
    Normalizing IEI: this guy, gardener
    Harmonizing IEI: Emmanuelle Seigner, actress

    Hope it helps. Just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    This is how I type IEI subtypes:

    Dominant IEI: Maria Veitola, Finnish talk show host
    Creative IEI: Roman Polanski, movie director
    Normalizing IEI: this guy, gardener
    Harmonizing IEI: Emmanuelle Seigner, actress

    Hope it helps. Just my 2 cents
    Do you have videos like that of all of the types? Harmonizing IEI kind of reminded me of Lana Del Rey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    This is how I type IEI subtypes:

    Dominant IEI: Maria Veitola, Finnish talk show host
    Creative IEI: Roman Polanski, movie director
    Normalizing IEI: this guy, gardener
    Harmonizing IEI: Emmanuelle Seigner, actress

    Hope it helps. Just my 2 cents
    Thanks @Tallmo. I have a hard time seeing myself fully in any of them because I think I've had to act more like Harmonizing for survival/acceptance reasons during my upbringing. Having a "stronger" temperament wasn't valued. I do think I can rule out Harmonizing for myself, and lean towards Normalizing or Creative. I've always been pretty introspective, which doesn't seem to coincide with Dominant...but you can correct me if I'm wrong.

    I need to get my hands on Gulenko's book! Have you read it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie View Post
    Do you have videos like that of all of the types? Harmonizing IEI kind of reminded me of Lana Del Rey
    There does seem to be a dreamy, remote, suggestible quality to both of them.

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    you look N. more F
    INFP can to be

    while subtypes are baseless heresy. the variant of them you asked was fantasied by Gulenko from nowhere. it's not Socionics

    the only what relates - there can be different level of functions what may be called as kind of subtypes. but there is no special theory to get the use from this and no good methods to measure such differences. it's practically useless
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I wouldn't type you as IEI to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    I wouldn't type you as IEI to start with.
    What's another type you would consider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    What's another type you would consider?
    EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    EII.
    I can understand that typing, but there's no way I'm Fe ignoring. Before I knew how to manage it better, growing up my high empathy caused me to struggle being in environments or around people that were too emotionally charged. My coping mechanism for that was to adapt who I was or try to put on a positive face to be more likable. I don't know any EIIs like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie View Post
    Do you have videos like that of all of the types? Harmonizing IEI kind of reminded me of Lana Del Rey
    Not of all types and not right now. But Im sure with some help we can find dcnh videos of one type. Which type are you intetested in?
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    I would also rethink whether you are IEI, as from limited experience you may be very well Fi-valuing to me.

    Before I knew how to manage it better, growing up my high empathy caused me to struggle being in environments or around people that were too emotionally charged.
    That doesn't sound IEI. Fe-surroundings are typically more emotionally charged than Fi, especially beta ones.

    My coping mechanism for that was to adapt who I was or try to put on a positive face to be more likable.
    And that doesn't exclude EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Thanks @Tallmo. I have a hard time seeing myself fully in any of them because I think I've had to act more like Harmonizing for survival/acceptance reasons during my upbringing. Having a "stronger" temperament wasn't valued. I do think I can rule out Harmonizing for myself, and lean towards Normalizing or Creative. I've always been pretty introspective, which doesn't seem to coincide with Dominant...but you can correct me if I'm wrong.

    I need to get my hands on Gulenko's book! Have you read it?
    No I havent read it. I have observed dcnh irl for the last 10 years. The thing is that dcnh only starts to make sense when you have interacted with all 4 subtypes many times (and with different sociotypes) and learn how they are different, and how you react to them.

    Remember that people with the same sociotype+dcnh can still be very different. So nothing strange about not being able to identify with the videos I posted.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Idk, I don’t care about DCNH but I know she’s an IEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    I can understand that typing, but there's no way I'm Fe ignoring. Before I knew how to manage it better, growing up my high empathy caused me to struggle being in environments or around people that were too emotionally charged. My coping mechanism for that was to adapt who I was or try to put on a positive face to be more likable. I don't know any EIIs like that.
    Not battle typing here, but Fe ppl are often those who are "too emotionally charged". Most EII I know are somehow like you describe (especially when young). Fe leads don't try to adapt to other's moods and The IEIs I know try also to manipulate, tune or set emotions in ppl. IEIs are aware of how ppl treat them o react to their emotional energy, but they are not terrified of emotionally charged ppl. They themselves attempt to charge or influence emotionally ppl.





    IEIs naturally conceptualize the people around them in terms of the emotional energy that they give off, and the way that they interact with the mood and energy around them. They are often especially sensitive to how others around them react to their own energy.

    IEIs are generally very sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around them. They are often good at recognizing and influencing the moods of others, and at communicating the depth of their feelings or experiences. They tend to be adept at reading the reactions that others have to them and are often quick to make use of emotional cues in interaction. They frequently feel a need to look after the mood of those around them, and characteristically seek to awaken or innerve others' emotional energy. They may exhibit a propensity for good-natured, friendly, lighthearted banter and try to promote good will and inclusiveness. On the other hand, IEIs can also direct their emotional influence through a mode of expression that limits their affable levity; they may take on a formal, toxic, serious, or even shock-jock emphasis as situations require./sociotype.com

    Esenin is a "craftsman" of attitudes and moods: whatever picture he paints - so it will be. This is the instrument of his influence on his surroundings – by this he can "reward" as well as punish. In his understanding, the mood or state always has a material component to it - alike a work of art. In cases when the atmosphere of "serene harmony" that he has created is not valued and rewarded properly, Esenin considers it necessary "to draw another picture", in other colors, no less bright and saturated. The IEI feels himself uncomfortable when the tone created by him does not find proper response and support by people around him. This may lead to sharp changes in his mood or state, or ever lead to a quarrel. (Mood for Esenin is a method to manipulate his environment.)
    Almost no one else knows how to mercilessly say harsh words and furiously quarrel, amplifying his emotional influence, as the IEI. The IEI knows how to burn someone by words as if by red hot metal, masterfully applying words enough for his partner to learn the lesson and draw the conclusions from his own errors and to try to as soon as possible correct them, in order not to repeat hence. Again, such ethical influence is psychologically oriented at his dual, Zhukov (SLE), at his inert emotions and somewhat coarse ethics. That which for Zhukov is nothing more than an effective method of emotional activation, for others (more sensitive personalities) can be unbearably trying.
    In interaction the IEI holds a close psychological distance, as a consequence of which he can feel himself too vulnerable and too dependent of his partner. Therefore his quarrels are a required measure, the purpose of which is - on one side - to adjust psychological distance, and from another side - to draw attention of his partner to potential problems and express his needs in a form in which they are most readily received by his dual. The IEI is unable to speak of his problems in a "business tone" - this in his understanding is too crude and tactless, as he is subconsciously oriented at vulnerable emotions and demonstrative pragmatism of Zhukov. Therefore, he considers that a tactful and subtle hint is enough for his partner to correctly understand him and offer his services.
    The IEI knows how to tune to his partner, how to adjust and adapt to him. If, for some reason, making contact doesn't go down well, this is always a reason for the IEI to feel worried. He starts to contemplate on the reasons that he was not allowed to approach - perhaps this person is not as open as he seems, or may be even presents a danger (here the IEI's intuition of time with a minus sign takes a hold - the desire to distance from danger).
    Giving ethical evaluations of qualities of people around him, the IEI does it in accord to his own state: if he is in a good mood, he praises the person and offers his compliments - and if he is poor mood he will be critical towards others. In upset and irritated state the IEI gets an insurmountable desire to say the "truth right to person's face" and may say the most unpleasant truthful things.
    Periodically the IEI can initiate conflicts – these are means for him to find out his own position in the system of relations. The entire range of emotions and states of Esenin is not only his "artistic palette", but also his "instrumental set" and his "weapons storehouse". The IEI is confident in his charm and his appeal, in his "arsenal" of attractive and dear fronts, which he magnificently uses. Moreover, these these are not just external appearances but unique states of his soul./Strati, wikisocion.



    EIIs are very attuned to the psychological atmosphere of interaction and to their own feelings towards people and things. They treasure deep feelings of attachment and strive to deepen emotional bonds between people and harmonize relationships. When those people that the EII is close to suffer emotionally, the EII will do everything in her power to raise the emotional condition in the individual, often at the EII's expense.

    EIIs are very capable of "sizing people up". They rely heavily on their instincts to understand the inner feelings of an individual. They are very empathetic people and find it very easy to feel with others. This makes them very sensitive to the moods of people, and they treat them the way they want to be treated, that is, with respect./sociotype.com

    Fe Ignoring
    Dostoyevsky knows how to adapt his emotional state to emotions and experiences of another person. It knows how to remove irritation, stress, knows how to quiet.
    He tries not to tie his own emotions in the contact, since it is anxious first of all to the emotional state of others. With the sad it is sad, with the merry - oars. It considers that to spoil to man mood - means, to offend it, to enter with it immorally. (in Dostoyevsky generally on this score its theory. For example, if man made unsuccessful purchase, it about this to speak one ought not: nevertheless indeed you will already nothing repair, but mood in man can be spoiled, but this is bad.)
    Dostoyevsky will not allow himself to be for someone the source of the unpleasant emotions: loves no one to irritate or to tease. Moreover, it will allow no one of its close ones to irritate or to tease others.
    Dostoyevsky is not rancorous, not envious.
    He tries so that its own troubles would not spoil the relations prevailing around it; therefore in the expression of its negative emotions it is very careful. Rather it will complain itself to the outside person, than to close one. Rather it will in exactly the same manner express its deep fears and problems to stranger./Stratiyevs, wikisocion.



    This is a pic of a friend of mine who's EII. (Please don't download or quote) You remind me a lot of her, not from appearance but for how do you speak, move, etc.
    Anyway, that said I won't discuss your type further I'm just giving my opinion but is up to you what you decide to type.
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    I just finished Gulenko's IEI section and I think you would be normalizing or harmonizing Emily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Not battle typing here, but Fe ppl are often those who are "too emotionally charged". Most EII I know are somehow like you describe (especially when young). Fe leads don't try to adapt to other's moods and The IEIs I know try also to manipulate, tune or set emotions in ppl.



    IEIs are aware of how ppl treat them o react to their emotional energy, but they are not terrified of emotionally charged ppl. They themselves attempt to charge or influence emotionally ppl.

    IEIs naturally conceptualize the people around them in terms of the emotional energy that they give off, and the way that they interact with the mood and energy around them. They are often especially sensitive to how others around them react to their own energy./sociotype.com

    IEIs are generally very sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around them. They are often good at recognizing and influencing the moods of others, and at communicating the depth of their feelings or experiences. They tend to be adept at reading the reactions that others have to them and are often quick to make use of emotional cues in interaction. They frequently feel a need to look after the mood of those around them, and characteristically seek to awaken or innerve others' emotional energy. They may exhibit a propensity for good-natured, friendly, lighthearted banter and try to promote good will and inclusiveness. On the other hand, IEIs can also direct their emotional influence through a mode of expression that limits their affable levity; they may take on a formal, toxic, serious, or even shock-jock emphasis as situations require.

    Esenin is a "craftsman" of attitudes and moods: whatever picture he paints - so it will be. This is the instrument of his influence on his surroundings – by this he can "reward" as well as punish. In his understanding, the mood or state always has a material component to it - alike a work of art. In cases when the atmosphere of "serene harmony" that he has created is not valued and rewarded properly, Esenin considers it necessary "to draw another picture", in other colors, no less bright and saturated. The IEI feels himself uncomfortable when the tone created by him does not find proper response and support by people around him. This may lead to sharp changes in his mood or state, or ever lead to a quarrel. (Mood for Esenin is a method to manipulate his environment.)
    Almost no one else knows how to mercilessly say harsh words and furiously quarrel, amplifying his emotional influence, as the IEI. The IEI knows how to burn someone by words as if by red hot metal, masterfully applying words enough for his partner to learn the lesson and draw the conclusions from his own errors and to try to as soon as possible correct them, in order not to repeat hence. Again, such ethical influence is psychologically oriented at his dual, Zhukov (SLE), at his inert emotions and somewhat coarse ethics. That which for Zhukov is nothing more than an effective method of emotional activation, for others (more sensitive personalities) can be unbearably trying.
    In interaction the IEI holds a close psychological distance, as a consequence of which he can feel himself too vulnerable and too dependent of his partner. Therefore his quarrels are a required measure, the purpose of which is - on one side - to adjust psychological distance, and from another side - to draw attention of his partner to potential problems and express his needs in a form in which they are most readily received by his dual. The IEI is unable to speak of his problems in a "business tone" - this in his understanding is too crude and tactless, as he is subconsciously oriented at vulnerable emotions and demonstrative pragmatism of Zhukov. Therefore, he considers that a tactful and subtle hint is enough for his partner to correctly understand him and offer his services.
    The IEI knows how to tune to his partner, how to adjust and adapt to him. If, for some reason, making contact doesn't go down well, this is always a reason for the IEI to feel worried. He starts to contemplate on the reasons that he was not allowed to approach - perhaps this person is not as open as he seems, or may be even presents a danger (here the IEI's intuition of time with a minus sign takes a hold - the desire to distance from danger).
    Giving ethical evaluations of qualities of people around him, the IEI does it in accord to his own state: if he is in a good mood, he praises the person and offers his compliments - and if he is poor mood he will be critical towards others. In upset and irritated state the IEI gets an insurmountable desire to say the "truth right to person's face" and may say the most unpleasant truthful things.
    Periodically the IEI can initiate conflicts – these are means for him to find out his own position in the system of relations. The entire range of emotions and states of Esenin is not only his "artistic palette", but also his "instrumental set" and his "weapons storehouse". The IEI is confident in his charm and his appeal, in his "arsenal" of attractive and dear fronts, which he magnificently uses. Moreover, these these are not just external appearances but unique states of his soul./Strati, wikisocion.



    EIIs are very attuned to the psychological atmosphere of interaction and to their own feelings towards people and things. They treasure deep feelings of attachment and strive to deepen emotional bonds between people and harmonize relationships. When those people that the EII is close to suffer emotionally, the EII will do everything in her power to raise the emotional condition in the individual, often at the EII's expense.

    EIIs are very capable of "sizing people up". They rely heavily on their instincts to understand the inner feelings of an individual. They are very empathetic people and find it very easy to feel with others. This makes them very sensitive to the moods of people, and they treat them the way they want to be treated, that is, with respect./sociotype.com

    Fe Ignoring
    Dostoyevsky knows how to adapt his emotional state to emotions and experiences of another person. It knows how to remove irritation, stress, knows how to quiet.
    He tries not to tie his own emotions in the contact, since it is anxious first of all to the emotional state of others. With the sad it is sad, with the merry - oars. It considers that to spoil to man mood - means, to offend it, to enter with it immorally. (in Dostoyevsky generally on this score its theory. For example, if man made unsuccessful purchase, it about this to speak one ought not: nevertheless indeed you will already nothing repair, but mood in man can be spoiled, but this is bad.)
    Dostoyevsky will not allow himself to be for someone the source of the unpleasant emotions: loves no one to irritate or to tease. Moreover, it will allow no one of its close ones to irritate or to tease others.
    Dostoyevsky is not rancorous, not envious.
    He tries so that its own troubles would not spoil the relations prevailing around it; therefore in the expression of its negative emotions it is very careful. Rather it will complain itself to the outside person, than to close one. Rather it will in exactly the same manner express its deep fears and problems to stranger./Stratiyevs, wikisocion.



    This is a pic of a friend of mine who's EII. (Please don't download or quote) You remind me a lot of her, not from appearance but for how do you speak, move, etc.
    Anyway, that said I won't discuss your type further I'm just giving my opinion but is up to you what you decide to type.
    I'm glad you shared this as I was a little confused when people were saying Fi was sympathy and Fe was empathy. I thought Fi was often tied to empathy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Fe-surroundings are typically more emotionally charged than Fi, especially beta ones.
    I should expand on what I meant by "emotionally charged" as I didn't really flesh that out accurately. I do actually enjoy lively and dynamic emotional environments where people are free to be expressive, whether the emotions are positive or negative, but I can get tired from any heightened state after a while, probably because of introversion. The "emotionally charged" environment of my youth was more of an abusive one, and emotional expression (Fe) wasn't really allowed.


    And that doesn't exclude EII.
    True, that could be a lot of types in childhood since kids do what they need to do to stay connected to acceptance and love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie View Post
    I just finished Gulenko's IEI section and I think you would be normalizing or harmonizing Emily.
    Really want to read it! It's sitting in my Amazon cart....just looking at me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Not battle typing here, but Fe ppl are often those who are "too emotionally charged". Most EII I know are somehow like you describe (especially when young). Fe leads don't try to adapt to other's moods and The IEIs I know try also to manipulate, tune or set emotions in ppl.
    Hey no problem, you are simply making an observation based on the information I've given and the fact I remind you of your friend. It's good to get an alternate view.

    I'm regretting so quickly typing "emotionally charged" without thinking about it too much. I clarified that point in an above post to Duschia. I do resonate with feeling like I was too emotional for the environment I grew up in: ILI dad who absolutely loathed Fe and an SEI mom who needed things to be pleasant at all times. There was a lot of dysfunction, and any emotional outbursts from me were swiftly suppressed so I sort of learned to shut down.

    As for IEI trying to manipulate, I can see that and have done that, although I think it's unhealthy if the other person doesn't like it. I've known a lot of Fi valuers in my life and they don't appreciate that, so I tend to suppress that side of myself around them. A lot of the reason for this decision to adapt is based in my Social instinct. A desire to maintain connections with people even if they're very different and I have to change my natural inclinations. Sometimes it feels like a superpower, and other times I can't stand it.



    IEIs are aware of how ppl treat them o react to their emotional energy, but they are not terrified of emotionally charged ppl. They themselves attempt to charge or influence emotionally ppl.

    IEIs naturally conceptualize the people around them in terms of the emotional energy that they give off, and the way that they interact with the mood and energy around them. They are often especially sensitive to how others around them react to their own energy./sociotype.com

    IEIs are generally very sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around them. They are often good at recognizing and influencing the moods of others, and at communicating the depth of their feelings or experiences. They tend to be adept at reading the reactions that others have to them and are often quick to make use of emotional cues in interaction. They frequently feel a need to look after the mood of those around them, and characteristically seek to awaken or innerve others' emotional energy. They may exhibit a propensity for good-natured, friendly, lighthearted banter and try to promote good will and inclusiveness. On the other hand, IEIs can also direct their emotional influence through a mode of expression that limits their affable levity; they may take on a formal, toxic, serious, or even shock-jock emphasis as situations require.

    Esenin is a "craftsman" of attitudes and moods: whatever picture he paints - so it will be. This is the instrument of his influence on his surroundings – by this he can "reward" as well as punish. In his understanding, the mood or state always has a material component to it - alike a work of art. In cases when the atmosphere of "serene harmony" that he has created is not valued and rewarded properly, Esenin considers it necessary "to draw another picture", in other colors, no less bright and saturated. The IEI feels himself uncomfortable when the tone created by him does not find proper response and support by people around him. This may lead to sharp changes in his mood or state, or ever lead to a quarrel. (Mood for Esenin is a method to manipulate his environment.)
    Almost no one else knows how to mercilessly say harsh words and furiously quarrel, amplifying his emotional influence, as the IEI. The IEI knows how to burn someone by words as if by red hot metal, masterfully applying words enough for his partner to learn the lesson and draw the conclusions from his own errors and to try to as soon as possible correct them, in order not to repeat hence.
    Again, such ethical influence is psychologically oriented at his dual, Zhukov (SLE), at his inert emotions and somewhat coarse ethics. That which for Zhukov is nothing more than an effective method of emotional activation, for others (more sensitive personalities) can be unbearably trying.
    In interaction the IEI holds a close psychological distance, as a consequence of which he can feel himself too vulnerable and too dependent of his partner. Therefore his quarrels are a required measure, the purpose of which is - on one side - to adjust psychological distance, and from another side - to draw attention of his partner to potential problems and express his needs in a form in which they are most readily received by his dual. The IEI is unable to speak of his problems in a "business tone" - this in his understanding is too crude and tactless, as he is subconsciously oriented at vulnerable emotions and demonstrative pragmatism of Zhukov. Therefore, he considers that a tactful and subtle hint is enough for his partner to correctly understand him and offer his services.
    The IEI knows how to tune to his partner, how to adjust and adapt to him. If, for some reason, making contact doesn't go down well, this is always a reason for the IEI to feel worried. He starts to contemplate on the reasons that he was not allowed to approach - perhaps this person is not as open as he seems, or may be even presents a danger (here the IEI's intuition of time with a minus sign takes a hold - the desire to distance from danger).
    Giving ethical evaluations of qualities of people around him, the IEI does it in accord to his own state: if he is in a good mood, he praises the person and offers his compliments - and if he is poor mood he will be critical towards others. In upset and irritated state the IEI gets an insurmountable desire to say the "truth right to person's face" and may say the most unpleasant truthful things.
    Periodically the IEI can initiate conflicts – these are means for him to find out his own position in the system of relations. The entire range of emotions and states of Esenin is not only his "artistic palette", but also his "instrumental set" and his "weapons storehouse". The IEI is confident in his charm and his appeal, in his "arsenal" of attractive and dear fronts, which he magnificently uses. Moreover, these these are not just external appearances but unique states of his soul./Strati, wikisocion.


    Anyway, that said I won't discuss your type further I'm just giving my opinion but is up to you what you decide to type.
    That was really good info, thank you for putting a side-by-side comparison! Saving it. I tick every box for IEI, especially the bolded, and will say that a lot of how an IEI is trying to "activate" her dual via emotions is something I saw more in myself when younger. Interestingly, the first SLE I ever dated brought this out in me and we basically fought on the second date, which oddly enough didn't feel abnormal at all...it felt kind of good I recall saying a couple of sharp things that surprised me since most people don't handle that very well, to which he reacted immediately defensively but then kind of thought about it and agreed with me. No hard feelings.

    As for the EII section:
    "Dostoyevsky knows how to adapt his emotional state to emotions and experiences of another person. It knows how to remove irritation, stress, knows how to quiet.
    He tries not to tie his own emotions in the contact, since it is anxious first of all to the emotional state of others. With the sad it is sad, with the merry - oars. It considers that to spoil to man mood - means, to offend it, to enter with it immorally." <--I know how to do this and will often do it out of respect for Fi types but it feels oppressive after a while. I naturally prefer to be around those where I can express how I'm feeling in the moment, even if it quickly changes from one moment to the next.
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    "Fe leads dont adapt to others moods" big fucking lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    "Fe leads dont adapt to others moods" big fucking lol
    they don't. they seek others to adapt to theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    they don't. they seek others to adapt to theirs.
    ok tomboy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    "Fe leads dont adapt to others moods" big fucking lol
    That's a common misconception of extroverted feeling as described by Jung.

    Summaries of F and N that stay true to Jung's descriptions:

    The Extraverted Feeling Type

    Extraverted feeling is based upon accepted or traditional social values and opinions. It involves a conforming, adjusting response to objective circumstances that strives for harmonious relations with the world. Because it depends so much on external stimuli rather than upon true subjective preferences, such feeling can sometimes seem cold, 'unfeeling', artificial or put on for effect.

    The extraverted feeling type follows fashion and seeks to harmonize personal feelings with general social values. Thinking is always subordinate to feeling and is ignored or repressed if intellectual conclusions fail to confirm the convictions of the heart. When this type is extreme or neurotic, feeling may become gushing or extravagant and dependent upon momentary enthusiasms that may quickly turn about with changing circumstances. Such a person may therefore seem hysterical, fickle, moody or even to be suffering from multiple personality. Repressed thinking may also erupt in infantile, negative, obsessive ways. This can lead to the attribution of dreaded characteristics to the very objects or people that are most loved and valued.

    The Introverted Feeling Type

    Introverted feeling strives for an inner intensity that is unrelated to any external object. It devalues objective reality and is rarely displayed openly. When it does appear on the surface, it generally seems negative or indifferent. The focus of such feeling is upon inner processes and latent, primordial images. At its extreme, it may develop into mystical ecstasy.

    The introverted feeling type is brooding and inaccessible, although may also hide behind a childish mask. Such a person aims to be inconspicuous, makes little attempt to impress and generally fails to respond to the feelings of others. The outer, surface appearance is often neutral, cold and dismissive. Inwardly, however, feelings are deep, passionately intense, and may accompany secret religious or poetic tendencies. The effect of all this on other people can be stifling and oppressive. When extreme or neurotic, this type may become domineering and vain. Negative repressed thinking may also be projected so that these persons may imagine they can know what others are thinking. This may develop into paranoia and into secret scheming rivalries.


    The Extraverted Intuition Type

    Extraverted intuition attempts to envisage all the possibilities that are inherent in an objective situation. Ordinary events are seen as providing a cipher or set of clues from which underlying processes and hidden potentialities can be determined. Yet once these possibilities are apprehended, objects and events lose their meaning and import. There is therefore a constant need for new situations and experiences to provide a fresh stimulus for the intuitive process.

    The extraverted intuition type is an excellent diagnostician and exploiter of situations. Such people see exciting possibilities in every new venture and are excellent at perceiving latent abilities in other people. They get carried away with the enthusiasm of their vision and often inspire others with the courage of their conviction. As such, they do well in occupations where these qualities are at a premium - for example in initiating new projects, in business, politics or the stock market. They are, however, easily bored and stifled by unchanging conditions. As a result they often waste their life and talents jumping from one activity to another in the search for fresh possibilities, failing to stick at any one project long enough to bring it to fruition. Furthermore, in their commitment to their own vision, they often show little regard for the needs, views or convictions of others. When neurotic, repressed sensation may cause this type to become compulsively tied to people, objects or activities that stir in them primitive sensations such as pleasure, pain or fear. The consequence of this can be phobias, hypochondriacal beliefs and a range of other compulsions.


    The Introverted Intuition Type

    Introverted intuition is directed inward to the contents of the unconscious. It attempts to fathom internal events by relating them to universal psychological processes or to other archetypal images. Consequently it generally has a mythical, symbolic or prophetic quality.

    According to Jung, the introverted intuition type can be either an artist, seer or crank. Such a person has a visionary ideal that reveals strange, mysterious things. These are enigmatic, 'unearthly' people who stand aloof from ordinary society. They have little interest in explaining or rationalizing their personal vision, but are content merely to proclaim it. Partly as a result of this, they are often misunderstood. Although the vision of the artist among this type generally remains on the purely perceptual level, mystical dreamers or cranks may become caught up in theirs. The person's life then becomes symbolic, taking on the nature of a Great Work, mission or spiritual-moral quest. If neurotic, repressed sensation may express itself in primitive, instinctual ways and, like their extraverted counterparts, introverted intuitives often suffer from hypochondria and compulsions.

    Jung, C.G. (1971). Psychological Types. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul. (Collected Works of C.G. Jung, Vol. 6).


    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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