LIIs and Perversion

[FreelancePoliceman]

So, on a Russian forum I visited (socioforum.su, I believe), I noticed a few posts which seemed to mention a stereotype that LIIs were unusually sexually perverse. I think I remember this being a topic of conversation in the chatbox here a few months ago as well. I've not seen any threads here dedicated to this subject, so I ask: is this "a thing"? Are all LIIs secretly sexual deviants? Or is this Slavic libel?

[Number 9 large]

yes ur a hoe

[Existential Ibuprofen]

Something like this


in contrast to this

[Sir Isaac Newton]

I can confirm that Descartes and Pascal were deviated preverts whose work can be disregarded.

[Akira]

No.

[PussyInASarcophagus]

LIIs I've met online are pretty perversed. I actually encountered one that claimed to be volcel or 'voluntary celibate' due to the sexual processing he was subject to in BDSM and toxic sexual communities. There's actually a set of images circulating around the Socionics sphere so I'll gladly share it

https://imgur.com/a/ud8BteC

[WinnieW]

It's called Ne as creative function + 4D Ni

[FreelancePoliceman]

No.

I don't know enough about LII attitudes to sex to have an opinion on this, but I am curious since this isn't really a stereotype I've heard of before. Would you mind briefly elaborating? For instance, do you say this because, say, LIIs strike you as being less sexually weird than the average, you think sexual weirdness is roughly evenly distributed, or so on?

It's called Ne as creative function + 4D Ni

So EIIs would be similar?

[WinnieW]

So EIIs would be similar?

Honestly, I don't know.

[consentingadult]

I'd say sex with an LII would be a perversion in itself. I never had sex with an LII, they're so fragile I'm afraid I might break something.

[thegreenfaerie]

Lol, no comment. I've been holding back, but... I do think they can be a bit perverse yet, but I think it's rather discreet.

I'd say sex with an LII would be a perversion in itself. I never had sex with an LII, they're so fragile I'm afraid I might break something.

[Adam Strange]

I had an LII girl tell me that she would not give me a blowjob. If that means anything.

[ashlesha]

The one guy about whom I received secondhand knowledge about his involvement in a circle jerk was LII. I otherwise have no information.

[sbbds]

A bit. 90% of this rumour probably also just originates from the behaviors of Gulenko himself.

[WinnieW]

Movie script written by an LII type autor, obviously.

Particual scene from the movie:
https://youtu.be/N7itFdNE2Qw?t=91

[Akira]

I don't know enough about LII attitudes to sex to have an opinion on this, but I am curious since this isn't really a stereotype I've heard of before. Would you mind briefly elaborating? For instance, do you say this because, say, LIIs strike you as being less sexually weird than the average, you think sexual weirdness is roughly evenly distributed, or so on?



So EIIs would be similar?

Never met a particularly perverse LII. They seem to be pretty innocent though they can get into stuff due others or some curiosity. I think they can get into some things that could be unhealthy due lack of Si.

[WinnieW]

They seem to be pretty innocent though they can get into stuff due others or some curiosity.

The thoughts are free.

I think they can get into some things that could be unhealthy due lack of Si.

More likely because of immaturity and being Fe suggestive.
As a kid I had the notion that people always tell the truth.
And people who are nice to me want to do me a favour.

[Muddy]

Few things go hand in hand more then LIIs and hentai.

[silke]

Are all LIIs secretly sexual deviants? Or is this Slavic libel?

Asking for a friend ofc;P I've read many russian-speaking socionics forums, and this is the FIRST TIME i'm seeing something like this getting tagged onto LIIs. It could be a troll posting the same libel on different user names, but I haven't seen anything of this sort.

From what I've typed of serial killers - and these guys tend to have major sexual perversions - most of them have been ST men, and there have been next to no LIIs among this crowd. The only possibility I could see how this would happen is that having unconscious, and what Jung called "archaic", Sensing and Feeling functions coupled with +Ne creative could create a wild sexual imagination for this type, but that would last only until these functions become grounded in a way of actual sexual experiences with types who have sensing and feeling as their ego functions.

[Disturbed]

I'm an LSI-Ti, and I've always had perversions and fantasies and based upon details, but I seldom talked about them and sometimes tried to hide them. I've always mentally sexualized and am made so horny by things, words, sounds, facts, visuals, all sorts of visual details, that aren't meant to sexualized. I also liked smelling some of my bodily fluids, my earwax (it smelled really good when I was 6 years old), my snot (sometimes) and I picked my nose and wiped it on my lip as self-stimulation behavior, and and when I had a cast, smelling inbetween my toes (they smelled really good them), though I got pissed off when an LSI-Se friend farted on my lazy-boy rocker-recliner and criticize him for smelling it because y'know it was my chair. An SLE-Ti friend then said you seem like you'd do it. On the sexual deviance subscale of the MMPI-2, I was offended by the sexual deviance scale questions, so I answered the opposite of was true on those but the psychologist thought I was overly candid (which I was with all the questions). Earlier in my life, I had been turned on about imagining myself as a female in many details. I've never been really allowed to have enough Si pleasure though, it seems like it's never enough, I was just too sexually unattractive to SLE-Ti and ILE-Ti (they're fine with LSI-Se, but they reject LSI-Ti, except for me sucking the SLE-Ti friend's dick and taking it up the ass from him which felt good the last time he did it, from 1997-1998, then when I gave and received anal sex with an ILE-Ti male cousin in July 2000, I rejected his request to suck my dick 2 or 3 summers later because at that time, i didn't saliva on my piss, the way my semen smells around dick smells bad sometimes). The sexual rejection from SLE-Ti and ILE-Ti females always made me angry at myself, because I was sexually attracted to them usually, occasionally to IEI-Ni and EIE, and maybe an SLE-Se or few. But what good am I a non-Si valuing or weak Si type without Ti creative sexually accepts me? And EIE and IEI are too hard to come to an agreement with and EIE are often too non-discerning, too willing to give compliments, too emotionally demanding and too narcissistic about talents and production quality that they act like they have but don't, as the ILE-Ti can usually do things better and when they are narcissistic, unlike the EIE, it's more likely based upon details, logic, and reality, they find some of those details about themselves bad but I find beautiful and they make fun of it while entertaining others while the EIE never does funny self-deprecating humor, and they don't process and understand information and are too rigid in their values (or if they aren't rigid in their values, then they're likely to be immoral and too tolerant of corruption, dishonesty, unjust, strongly centralized imbalances of power, and even violence), I just fear getting corrupted by an EIE. I've favored ILE-Ti most because of their intellect, work, movements, unconventional behaviors (adherence to gender norms of beauty like wearing makeup and nail polish of which they select the very best and gentleness, while being able to say no, and liking and being so aware and understanding of the world around and great with tech and logic, spatial relations, their fine motor coordination which makes them ascetically pleasing when they do comedy or anything though occasionally their voices will be annoying, saying their opinions with great details publicly, swearing and being stylishly and sexily crude and the sexiness of their farting and having no shame in farting), they're usually beautiful, and so many other reasons that I've talked about before.

[Shazaam]

I don't see them as all that perverted, I think what it is their Se polr sometimes doesn't know the proper way to go about sexual things so it can be like a bit over the top and kinda Fe troll-ish like. When I hear them talk like that, there doesn't seem to be much substance to it, it feels like they are being gadflys more than anything. They seem very proper and almost conservative how they go about sex really. Though I think they tend to be open minded to other people's kinks and adopt a 'live and let live' philosophy. They will probably buy some mainstream porno mags tho and erotic novels. But it's all very normal basic bitch-y suburban to me. Nothing perverted. What most straight people think of is perverted probably isn't all that bad, they just like to virtue signal to others that they aren't sex demons.

For example this str8 male LII I know got this erotic novel where the man and woman were having sex and the man said things like "I like your stinky cunt farts" when they were having sex on a beach and it cracked me up. I doubt that they actually said or did those things when having sex with their partner. And if you thought they did just because they owned the book I think you were a moron. I think with sex, people really do confuse what people consume or even what they think with what they are actually capable of in real life. it's just sooooo different.

[Coeruleum Blue]

I don't see them as all that perverted, I think what it is their Se polr sometimes doesn't know the proper way to go about sexual things so it can be like a bit over the top and kinda Fe troll-ish like. When I hear them talk like that, there doesn't seem to be much substance to it, it feels like they are being gadflys more than anything. They seem very proper and almost conservative how they go about sex really. Though I think they tend to be open minded to other people's kinks and adopt a 'live and let live' philosophy. They will probably buy some mainstream porno mags tho and erotic novels. But it's all very normal basic bitch-y suburban to me. Nothing perverted. What most straight people think of is perverted probably isn't all that bad, they just like to virtue signal to others that they aren't sex demons.

For example this str8 male LII I know got this erotic novel where the man and woman were having sex and the man said things like "I like your stinky cunt farts" when they were having sex on a beach and it cracked me up. I doubt that they actually said or did those things when having sex with their partner. And if you thought they did just because they owned the book I think you were a moron. I think with sex, people really do confuse what people consume or even what they think with what they are actually capable of in real life. it's just sooooo different.

...Wait, people are trying to signal they're not sex demons now? Bizarre.

Also, "stinky cunt farts" is the least sexy thing ever.

[Coeruleum Blue]

I can confirm that Descartes and Pascal were deviated preverts whose work can be disregarded.

At least you're not into sh*t play.

[Protozoa]

I had an LII girl tell me that she would not give me a blowjob. If that means anything.

Like ever? Just that time? Or just you? lol.
Blowjobs are one of the most wonderful gifts a straight woman can give a straight man. What a horrible thing to say regardless.

[Protozoa]

I'd guess lack of valued Fi and Se makes sex more about personal pleasure (Si) and less of an emotional or deep intimate experience (Fi) with another. So maybe they ride more on being really perverted or averse to sex in general, but not so much in between. Maybe, based off what you guys said here, maybe.

[timber]

Don't ever underestimate the Si-Ne types obsessions with toys.

[Disturbed]

About the earlier post when I thought I was an LSI-Ti, I was wrong about that self-typing; I'm an ESI-Fi. But I've always had the original perversions and original fantasies I sometimes lose track of and can't always express as I wish I could. I've always had a dirty mind and I was sometimes ok about expressing it when I was younger, but sometimes I was wasn't and couldn't quite figure out how to express myself and also didn't want to be looked down upon and criticized too much (some criticism was good though) for interpreting things abnormally (I was aware that my thoughts, perceptions were bizarre). I enjoyed the sensory-sexual-emotional experiences (good internal sensations) I had a great deal and I tend to want more and more, I don't think I could ever get enough of them.

[Nobody]

I could believe it, conceptually. Weak valued Si, weak unvalued Se is probably the closest thing to a fetish in terms of socionics, weird internalized shit that turns you on...

[Rebelondeck]

Socionics is about how people perceive and process information. Input-output processes, by themselves, cannot lead to some form of perversion; there has to be influences and something is usually broken. However, some people will toss normal human behaviour in the perversion column - the old joke: "I don't mind sex but that sex fiend over there wants it twice a year."

a.k.a. I/O

[Alomoes]

I'll put it simply. If one does not notice boundaries as existing what happens? If I say rude and you say nobody cares? What follows?

And yeah people like that exist.

I'll correct this statement. That's how I'd expect LII to be perverse. Everyone can be. LII probably will just forget the other person's want for them to not be drugged and then slept with. "Hey hey hey hey". Hope you get the reference. Probs not. Idk how to do spoilers.