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    Default Did Aushra Augusta exist? Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt

    The standard narrative is as follows:
    Aushra Augusta was a Lithuanian economist and psychologist credited with developing the theory of socionics, a system of personality types based on Carl Jung’s psychological types. She published several books and articles on socionics and its applications. She died in 2005 at the age of 78. [1]

    However, some people have questioned the existence and authenticity of Aushra Augusta, claiming that she was a fictional character invented by a group of Soviet intelligence agents who wanted to create a new psychological tool for manipulating and controlling people. They argue that the photos and videos allegedly showing Aushra Augusta are actually of different women who resemble her, or are digitally altered. They also claim that the books and articles attributed to her are actually written by ghostwriters or plagiarized from other sources. [2]

    These skeptics point to several anomalies and inconsistencies in the biographical and historical records of Aushra Augusta, such as:

    • The lack of independent verification of her birth, education, and career, and the absence of any official documents or certificates that prove her identity and credentials. [3]
    • The scarcity and low quality of the photos and videos allegedly showing her, and the discrepancies in her appearance, age, and style across different media. [4]
    • The contradictions and errors in her writings and interviews, and the lack of originality and rigor in her theory and methodology. [5]
    • The political and ideological motives behind the creation and promotion of socionics, and the connections between its proponents and the Soviet intelligence and propaganda apparatus. [6]

    These skeptics suggest that the invention of Aushra Augusta and socionics was part of a larger scheme to influence and manipulate public opinion and behavior, both in the Soviet Union and abroad, by using psychological techniques and pseudoscientific theories. They compare this case to other examples of historical fabrication and deception, such as:

    • The works of Richard Carrier and Robert Spencer, who challenge the historicity of Jesus and Muhammad, respectively, and argue that they were mythical figures created by religious and political movements. [7] [8]
    • The use of body doubles by Vladimir Putin and other leaders, who employ lookalikes to impersonate them in public appearances and events, for security or propaganda purposes. [9] [10]
    • The Roswell incident, which was a military balloon crash that was falsely reported as a UFO crash by the U.S. Army, and later became the subject of various conspiracy theories involving aliens and cover-ups. [11] [12]

    These skeptics conclude that Aushra Augusta and socionics are nothing but hoaxes and frauds, and that there is no credible evidence to support their existence and validity. They call for a critical and independent investigation of the sources and claims related to them, and a revision of the history and science of psychology and sociology.

    1: Aušra Augustinavičiūtė - Wikipedia 2: The Aushra Augusta Hoax: How the KGB Invented a Fake Psychologist and a Fake Theory of Personality 3: Aushra Augusta: A Biography Without Evidence 4: Aushra Augusta: A Face Without Identity 5: Aushra Augusta's Theory Without Substance 6: Socionics: A Tool Without Ethics 7: On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt 8: Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam’s Obscure Origins 9: How to Spot Putin’s Body Doubles, According to Ukraine’s Secret Service 10: Putin dismisses rumors he uses body doubles for security 11: Roswell incident - Wikipedia 12: What Really Happened at Roswell?

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    Next Joe Biden. He is an AI generated public figure created for the purpose of implanting Illuminati wishes into the new world order.
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    Oh yeah? How about this find? https://laiskailietuviams.lt/index.p...kodel-jis-toks

    This was written by Aušra. She is describing here Lithuanian boys and girls, their psychology and relationships. January, 1975.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganz Scheissgruber View Post
    Aushra Augusta was a Lithuanian economist and psychologist
    She was of Russian then of USSR ("Soviet") nation. She had no an education or an occupation as a psychologist.
    "Lithuania" is one of artificially made and pseudo-national regions illegally separated from Russia. Some earlier that territory was a part of others.

    > credited with developing the theory of socionics, a system of personality types based on Carl Jung’s psychological types

    She has added some hypotheses about Jung's types. The most important is IR, which gave terms "socion" and "socionics" as a system of linked types. IR is simple idea that exist comfortable (Te/Fi, Ne/Si) and bad (Te/Fe, Ne/Se) match of functional e/i sides for close communication and cooperation of people. Other her ideas were wrong, doubtful or close developement of existed.
    Besides IR, her other achievement was in popularization of Jung types. Other comparable popularization input was done by MBTI users. This gives a chance for normal research and then good methods to appear for high usefulness in an application. Subjectively there is useful in Jung types and IR. Objective usefulness, its degree and limits of application is not known. The main argument that Jung types exist is the match in typing beyond accidental (by common and nonverbal behavior). For IR existence are needed own experiments.
    There is nothing objective to reject Jung types and IR as hypotheses. Meantime may exist political, psyche reasons (of some individs) and mb other to oppose and falsificate the data about Jung types. For example, IR to work good needs friendship/love and not individualism, while political ideology of capitalism is individualistic. Then if Jung was correct about narcissism and homosexualism, then IR may be perceived [partly] differently by normal people and by a minority with some psyche disorders.

    > She published several books and articles on socionics and its applications.

    During her life, I know one officially published book ("Соционика" / "Sotsionika", 2 volums, by "Terra Fantastica" + "AST", 1998), which is a compilation of her earlier texts + MBTI test. Her texts were mainly known by articles in magazines since 1980s, while ideas with books by other authors since 1990s.

    > the absence of any official documents or certificates that prove her identity and credentials

    As meaningful would be the absence of official data where it should to be. While the offered source for such details is non-existent. Also there is no usefulness for so complex falsification, having public presence and reported contacts.
    The match of lacking facts and rational usefulness should be common for paranoid fantasy.


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    She was some kind of slavic gipsy crook like those you find out of the supermarket singing and asking for money. Then Smilingeyes (Finnish, along with Ungarians the only ones who can combine slavic and western european mindset) did mathematico-mechanical socionics which is the ultimate final masterpiece regarding Jung's types.
    It's a masterpiece but it's also something everyone already knew about himself, his - her family and colleagues. So as any product of Ni creative, it's a tautology which is exactly what was predicted by the mathematico-mechanical socionics.
    Ultimately it's much more useful to do some cocktails at a bar, cut trees or build a house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganz Scheissgruber View Post
    The standard narrative is as follows:
    Aushra Augusta was a Lithuanian economist and psychologist credited with developing the theory of socionics, a system of personality types based on Carl Jung’s psychological types. She published several books and articles on socionics and its applications. She died in 2005 at the age of 78. [1]

    However, some people have questioned the existence and authenticity of Aushra Augusta, claiming that she was a fictional character invented by a group of Soviet intelligence agents who wanted to create a new psychological tool for manipulating and controlling people. They argue that the photos and videos allegedly showing Aushra Augusta are actually of different women who resemble her, or are digitally altered. They also claim that the books and articles attributed to her are actually written by ghostwriters or plagiarized from other sources. [2]

    These skeptics point to several anomalies and inconsistencies in the biographical and historical records of Aushra Augusta, such as:

    • The lack of independent verification of her birth, education, and career, and the absence of any official documents or certificates that prove her identity and credentials. [3]
    • The scarcity and low quality of the photos and videos allegedly showing her, and the discrepancies in her appearance, age, and style across different media. [4]
    • The contradictions and errors in her writings and interviews, and the lack of originality and rigor in her theory and methodology. [5]
    • The political and ideological motives behind the creation and promotion of socionics, and the connections between its proponents and the Soviet intelligence and propaganda apparatus. [6]

    These skeptics suggest that the invention of Aushra Augusta and socionics was part of a larger scheme to influence and manipulate public opinion and behavior, both in the Soviet Union and abroad, by using psychological techniques and pseudoscientific theories. They compare this case to other examples of historical fabrication and deception, such as:

    • The works of Richard Carrier and Robert Spencer, who challenge the historicity of Jesus and Muhammad, respectively, and argue that they were mythical figures created by religious and political movements. [7] [8]
    • The use of body doubles by Vladimir Putin and other leaders, who employ lookalikes to impersonate them in public appearances and events, for security or propaganda purposes. [9] [10]
    • The Roswell incident, which was a military balloon crash that was falsely reported as a UFO crash by the U.S. Army, and later became the subject of various conspiracy theories involving aliens and cover-ups. [11] [12]

    These skeptics conclude that Aushra Augusta and socionics are nothing but hoaxes and frauds, and that there is no credible evidence to support their existence and validity. They call for a critical and independent investigation of the sources and claims related to them, and a revision of the history and science of psychology and sociology.

    1: Aušra Augustinavičiūtė - Wikipedia 2: The Aushra Augusta Hoax: How the KGB Invented a Fake Psychologist and a Fake Theory of Personality 3: Aushra Augusta: A Biography Without Evidence 4: Aushra Augusta: A Face Without Identity 5: Aushra Augusta's Theory Without Substance 6: Socionics: A Tool Without Ethics 7: On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt 8: Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam’s Obscure Origins 9: How to Spot Putin’s Body Doubles, According to Ukraine’s Secret Service 10: Putin dismisses rumors he uses body doubles for security 11: Roswell incident - Wikipedia 12: What Really Happened at Roswell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    "Lithuania" is one of artificially made and pseudo-national regions illegally separated from Russia.
    Lol, how did you get that idea? The source has to be a putistory book, not a history book.
    Do you know who Boris Yeltsin was, and that he was a former president of the UdSSR?
    It was him as a president who granted Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia independence from the UdSSR.
    Unless you claim that Boris Yeltsin did as a former president something illegal, a illegal separation of that countries didn't take place.

    Lithuania has a much older history as the UdSSR itself.

    Sorry for OT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    So as any product of Ni creative, it's a tautology
    Sounds like something mfckr and k0rpsey would say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche buenanoche View Post
    Sounds like something mfckr and k0rpsey would say
    Yes, of course me and Ashie are identi-identicals. If I remember correctly his grandfather came from the mountains in souther germany and my grandfather came from the mountains at the border between Austria and Italy. So perhaps we are even remotely related.
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