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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    The ongoing problem would be the usual:

    You don't know what you are talking about.

    You've got your type wrong.

    You are dishonest in hiding behind another type.

    Get it right!

    He never battled typed me, but the question is, is this productive?

    He thought he was educating the world through his forum MO.

    How many people would appreciate a blue header quote notification on the page, and that showing them they are wrong in type?

    Many felt harassed and bullied by it.

    It was in his strong nature to correct others by his typology standards/lights of "correct" doctrine.

    If this was a life mission to disseminate the "truth," what else could he do here, otherwise if back?

    As much of a good heart as he tried to have, if humbled, what else could he be on the forum?

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    Yeah now that I think about it, maybe idealism should be cast aside here and it's better to keep it the way it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    The F in F | T means "forbidden".

    That includes this ENFj archetype.

    the bunnies (ski, sex) aka courtesan sells indulgences to clients on a generous basis ("you want to fuck your mother? many therapists say incest is normal". What exactly is wrong with wine, women and whores anyways? Stop worrying! HIV and malarial mosquitos aren't a big deal. More intelligent Xeelee and Angel women will take care of us anyways, it's not like our daughters worry about being drained of their life's blood. Besides, I am a Countess! Also hurts people just to comfort them, hurt/comfort is a thing after all. And so is female babysitters wanting big fat babies.

    This archetype is double F. If you have a problem, use a Time And Relative Dimensions In Space.
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    Some SLEs... The best I can describe what I want to is some of them have a perceptible aura of physically watching over a friend or the person they decided to keep in their presence. But in a way that's like a nanny appointed to a specific infant, and this infant is about to say their first word or take their first step and the SLEs body language is open like saying 'ok get on with it I'm patient and I'm waiting' that one would attribute to a caring type. It's so funny that this feature in SLEs cohabits with the natural and unconscious takeover of space. Classroom situation: teen SLE can barge in late snarling like a fed up 45 year-old back from work, move around like he owns the place looking for a socket to charge his phone barely acknowledging the rules of a classroom and then sit next to the slowpoke he got assigned to for the rest of the year and act like he's an ESE and their big brother.
    "taking over territory... to protect and serve" or something.

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    I just want to apologize to all of the EIEs I was talking shit about; I had sex with one of you guys tonight and I liked it.

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    N types i suspect have more than average testosterone
    this also results in acting out of gender roles
    intuition carl jung would benefit in nature, business opportunities for Ne egos. ideas of Ne types being seen as shady or risky, kinda reminiscent of antisocial behavior, and ASPD like all Bs is related to elevated T levels
    more cerebral perception of the world and relations associated to behaving out of social norms and then being criticized and condenscended upon the same way women do to men, they are always right.
    can N types with dependent personality be trying to stay within healthy testosterone range for women (lets say) to maintain body and mental function without going insane, but also for men who may have it elevated due to persecution, be it bc of their own failing to understand stuff?? and S types can see N sovereignity of their inner world as an offense therefore beat them into conformity. you need some kind of self confidence to listen to your inner voice, than what you perceive (by hearing or reading (seeing), physical sensation, from the external physical environment) that can be regarded as selfish and inconsiderate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    Most people understanding of socionics can be resume as the following : "I am what I do". This is not how socionics should be understood because that's not what socionics Model A is about at all.

    Socionics proper understanding should be "I am in what I say" . Why ? Because Model A is about information Processing that can only be communicated through words that is to say semantics (spoken or written). That is (with ITR) the main subject of study in Model A, not how people behave, what they say they do, live their lives, work etc..

    I see people here and there trying to correlate TIMs with Neuroimaging and brain functions patterns (following the work of Dario Nardi) and kinda use that as a basis to create subcategories of TIMs. This is a big mistake and people going along that path are missing the point. Brain functions are universal to all human beings, brain activity has nothing to do the subject of study of socionics. This is ridiculous and it almost makes me sad to see people spending so much energy doing that.

    You can't type people according to brain activity or using neuroscience stuff in the context of socionics without breaking the Model, it wasn't designed for that. You can't assume that socionics is about "personalities" either because it's not. If you do you will find yourself falling into a rabbit hole that will inevitably lead to the deconstruction of the Model in an attempt to make people with complex personalities (that's what real individuals are, TIM are just "charts" / simplified Models) fit a myriad of subtypes that you would be mathematically obliged to create but with a perpetual feeling of insatisfaction.

    If one say I'm IEI and owner of a Nobel Prize in Physics, then one is mistyped. An IEI can not become a potential "Einstein" or a Genius level Mathematician, it is rather naive to think otherwise, delulu even. Why ? Because IEI is not socionicslly equipped for that, other types are (the NTs !). You can't expect a type with conscious 1D Te (vulnerable that is, of all functions !) and unconscious 2D Ti to compete and suparsses the NTs in their natural environment. That's as simple as that ! Now if you think that it's not true (that would be a bias) and you happen to be a mathematician then you would want to prove it mathematically (and empirically) by using all kinds of peripheral data that have nothing to do with socionics and therefore breaking the Model in the process.

    So what would you have to do then ? Create another Model of course and call it , I don't know Model D or P or whatever. That would be something different from Model A regardless. Of course, people who do that always have the brilliant Idea to use the same nomenclature and acronyms as socionics (and Jung) but the they would change all definitions to fit the agenda (One "Personality" per "Type") and incidentally confuse the rest of us even more. This is all nonsense, this is an impossible quest.
    With all due respect, you are contradicting yourself I think. You are saying it's not about stereotypes and then stereotyping IEIs. I think it probably depends on the subtype of the IEI. IEIs are often really good at science, with certain envrionmental pressures and motivation that wouldn't be too hard for me to believe. It's just ppl think the average IEI is like somebody writing poetry and cutting themselves and always playing victim and crying at how unfair the world is but not being a part of it etc. My IEI celebrity friend is very financially successful, and chases more status symbols. He also loves self-improvement workshops whereas I don't like them. He's not mistyped, we still get along and he's like an Identical role model to me. People just want to see IEIs as these losers that are easy to bash, because a lot of IEIs are like that- just like the normie bland loser that's easy to bully. However, I was able to beat up 3 bullies by myself before- with 1d Se how did I do that? Maybe the entire theory is kinda silly- but yeah, I respectfully disagree.

    The brain imaging stuff is probably just too boring for our more ethical minds. So we like to think more in emotional stereotypes because we are ethical types. Even though that's used here as an all purpose insult. And it's not like logical types are these demons that never feel anything either or have to take a break from producitivity due to their own emotions etc. Or that's what I'm telling myself and coping so I don't shoot up a school. j/k.

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    I have an IEI-Fe cousin. Here is a picture of her living room.

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    I love that lamp. Very Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I have an IEI-Fe cousin. Here is a picture of her living room.

    https://imgur.com/a/EA8YzTU

    I love that lamp. Very Ni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Scalding Gayser View Post
    With all due respect, you are contradicting yourself I think. You are saying it's not about stereotypes and then stereotyping IEIs. I think it probably depends on the subtype of the IEI. IEIs are often really good at science, with certain envrionmental pressures and motivation that wouldn't be too hard for me to believe. It's just ppl think the average IEI is like somebody writing poetry and cutting themselves and always playing victim and crying at how unfair the world is but not being a part of it etc. My IEI celebrity friend is very financially successful, and chases more status symbols. He also loves self-improvement workshops whereas I don't like them. He's not mistyped, we still get along and he's like an Identical role model to me. People just want to see IEIs as these losers that are easy to bash, because a lot of IEIs are like that- just like the normie bland loser that's easy to bully. However, I was able to beat up 3 bullies by myself before- with 1d Se how did I do that? Maybe the entire theory is kinda silly- but yeah, I respectfully disagree.

    The brain imaging stuff is probably just too boring for our more ethical minds. So we like to think more in emotional stereotypes because we are ethical types. Even though that's used here as an all purpose insult. And it's not like logical types are these demons that never feel anything either or have to take a break from producitivity due to their own emotions etc. Or that's what I'm telling myself and coping so I don't shoot up a school. j/k.
    As I've always said anyone could sport a talent and an F could be a physics professor, or N type a sports star. Innate talent is an expressive gene, and it is the point of least resistance.

    E.g., A concert pianists decides to become one, because can't make a decision to not become one.



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    I don’t feel like most people know how types work. They base on these blown up type images and stereotypes, rather than the essence of what the type encompasses— its ego block dynamics that inform views and the values to begin with, the actual meaning of Renin dichotomies (for westernized), etc.. A great example is everyone thinks that a detailed person is a “process” type. No, a process type is a person who first works complex and simplifies things. In my own case, I start off simple and expand, which should be evident in how I can’t even get all my thoughts out in one message and expand therein, or have to edit and add in. I am actually not a naturally detail-oriented person at all, I have to build up to get more details and I can when I do that.

    Instead, people retort to lame ways of typing that don’t indicate types or pan Jung everything and show weak Ti with combining all systems.
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    Also, people here type in a very sensory ish way, with making a lot of comparisons to people they’ve had experiences with, and then making some types impossible because they aren’t like others. Such was a case with a guy who mistyped me as an SEE, who said I am not like other people he types Ni base on the forum.

    This to me just demonstrates such weak intuition. Again, this is something numerous people do, not just that user.. It means that the person lacks Ne to be able cogitate possibilities of how a person can be without exposure to concrete experience, and a lack of Ni to focus on developments that can shape a person away from their default means or make them develop traits or characteristics that may have absolutely nothing to do with typology at all.

    If you will notice, I never once ever make comparisons in my typings, between celebrities or forum users, even fictional characters.. Typing with fictional characters is a little different I suppose, but it still can be a super ID function of intuition that pulls that direction of typing, meaning sensors can still indulge in this..

    My signature with my own Zelda concept isn’t about me typing myself IEI because she is in most, it’s more because I see myself as my own version that isn’t Zelda, but takes the concept of being a sage of time.

    I mean, VI is a given that people will make comparisons, but I am also speaking about behavior.. A lot of the very old forum members like North Star and Adam Strange retort to this.. I understand being invested in typology for a longer time will definitely make someone probably more prone to this propensity with earned experience, but to “stapelize” this as the center to type by, this isn’t an intuitive approach to typing.. In the case of Alive, he is gripped so much in an mbti Ti-Si loop, that he even appears as a sensor in socionic, regardless of if he’s lsi or lii.. There are some dichotomies that he can check off for both.. And even though he does make comparisons a lot, he still can give his own logical reasons and look outward of a way that he hasn’t before, to link a person as an iei, it isn’t just a whole concrete experience comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Scalding Gayser View Post
    With all due respect, you are contradicting yourself I think.
    Thank you for your time (and kind words). Disclaimer I haven't read your full response only the bald part above for now. I will answer as I go just for the fun of the experimentation ! Here we go :

    Of course I am ! I was ranting and in a bad mood when I wrote that.

    You are saying it's not about stereotypes and then stereotyping IEIs.
    I'm not sure if I stereotyped the IEI. I just pointed out the TIM theoretical disposition and structure. I don't like stereotypes either, at least as much as you don't like them.

    I think it probably depends on the subtype of the IEI.
    No, no subtypes please ! (jk !). Seriously though, let's keep it clean. I think subtyping constitutes the first step of a departure from a certain universality (the structure of a given TIM and common to all the carriers of that TIM ) towards the individuality or personality. In other words, subtyping is already a calibration of an aspect that is at the periphery or orbit (albeit low) of the core type. I consider that periphery, let's call it the "Subtype zone" as belonging to the Individuality or personality. Imho...

    IEIs are often really good at science, with certain envrionmental pressures and motivation that wouldn't be too hard for me to believe. It's just ppl think the average IEI is like somebody writing poetry and cutting themselves and always playing victim and crying at how unfair the world is but not being a part of it etc.
    Well, I would say that the term "often" seems a bit exaggerated imho. The IEI is a feeling type, a NF Humanitarian type. It is often really good at Humanitarian stuff.

    I'm not saying that IEIs can't be decent scientists, that would be a nonsense of course. What I say is that their Thinking functions can't create scientific breakthroughs stuff although they can be a part of a team who creates scientific breakthroughs and have a significant part in that team, that significance is relative to the IEI HD functions. Imho.

    My IEI celebrity friend is very financially successful, and chases more status symbols. He also loves self-improvement workshops whereas I don't like them. He's not mistyped, we still get along and he's like an Identical role model to me. People just want to see IEIs as these losers that are easy to bash, because a lot of IEIs are like that- just like the normie bland loser that's easy to bully. However, I was able to beat up 3 bullies by myself before- with 1d Se how did I do that? Maybe the entire theory is kinda silly- but yeah, I respectfully disagree.
    Well, obviously any type can be successful if it is fully realized (and/or lucky enough to find itself at the right moment at the right time ).

    I think that when it comes to TIMs, What people "see" pertains to their own type images and "projections". TIMs are just a charts. Their countless descriptions are full of stereotypes and that's what people use to build their type images. It's a sad situation, but it is what it is.

    As for you impressive martial skills, I agree with the socionics schools that classifies it as of the Te domain.
    (Te = Information about object(s) in movement ; Te = either working on the object or with the object). Your body is an object, any work you do with it is Te. Any action with your body on object(s) is Te.

    "I was able to beat up 3 bullies by myself before" contains information about an object working on three other objects, that is a Te information.

    The brain imaging stuff is probably just too boring for our more ethical minds. So we like to think more in emotional stereotypes because we are ethical types. Even though that's used here as an all purpose insult. And it's not like logical types are these demons that never feel anything either or have to take a break from producitivity due to their own emotions etc. Or that's what I'm telling myself and coping so I don't shoot up a school. j/k.
    I agree. Thank you very much for your time and insights !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braingel View Post
    I don’t feel like most people know how types work. They base on these blown up type images and stereotypes, rather than the essence of what the type encompasses— its ego block dynamics that inform views and the values to begin with, the actual meaning of Renin dichotomies (for westernized), etc.. A great example is everyone thinks that a detailed person is a “process” type. No, a process type is a person who first works complex and simplifies things. In my own case, I start off simple and expand, which should be evident in how I can’t even get all my thoughts out in one message and expand therein, or have to edit and add in. I am actually not a naturally detail-oriented person at all, I have to build up to get more details and I can when I do that.

    Instead, people retort to lame ways of typing that don’t indicate types or pan Jung everything and show weak Ti with combining all systems.
    Most people here are LSI, EIE and ESI.. There is quite a bit of low dimensionality Ti permeating here.. This website is the epitome of both Ne polr and the other side of it is weaker Ti.. I believe LSI is the average type of the forum.. If you notice peoples' cognitive patterns and ego block placements here, it is anything but strong intuition.. It is mechanical and concrete, it isn't a holistic view and perception of how people progress (Ni) or of expanding the possibilities a person can have in their life with the knowledge of socionics (Ne). This site is absolutely not intuitive. People probably get attracted into this topic through their super ego and super ID blocs, aspiring to competently use intuitive info..
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    The difference of intuition vs sensing approach to Socionics is not what causes the rift here; IMO it could be explained by the fact that ethicals and logicals from differing quadras are trying to access each other's mindset using their quadra as the defining framework. The ethical from Beta sees low intuition in Alpha NTs because as they perceive it, intution means everyone is going to have their type of cool open perception when in reality they're talking to a childlike bratty type whose weak alpha Fe means brutalizing the SFs with their self-absorption and intellectual self-aggrandizement.

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