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[Biscuit]

If Fe holds more importance for me than Fi, then why are there times when I use Fi and not Fe?
I think generally I use Fe more...but the times when I forego it for Fi, I feel so guilty.

A type doesn't only use one or two function
Even PoLR and Suggestive might be used , so what prevents you from using stronger functions ?

[Distance]

If Fe holds more importance for me than Fi, then why are there times when I use Fi and not Fe?
I think generally I use Fe more...but the times when I forego it for Fi, I feel so guilty.

In your intro thread way back I typed you SEI by your ego vibe, with the basic insecurities that come in that stripe. Like 70 percent vibe.

I think you are F and F switches sides on circumstances, like Te comes out of SLE in business pursuits.

I think you are well versed and know this, but work out which thinking is trouble. SEI love Ti , abhore Te.

Fi is demonstrative and stronger than Fe in SEI.

Your application of giving me a higher Ti type, you nixing EIE, and IEE in your math, but giving it to a role function looks Ti to me. Like valued. You were reducing which is Ti. If that is your natural MO then there you have it. At least between 2 in Ti valued.

[spacious]

Not at all. I feel like ESI men would probably be into JOI and that's right up a female LIE’s alley

HAHAHAAH. i had to google that one; i agree with your intuition

[FreelancePoliceman]

The other day, my ESI-Se interior decorator and her LII GF showed up to return some tools they had borrowed to fix their house.

While they were here, I told them my "met cute" story about my first date with my ex-wife, and then I said that one of the reasons why my marriage had failed was because both my ex-wife and I were thinkers, and no one was taking care of the feeling part of the relationship. They, on the other hand, had the LII as a thinker and the ESI as a feeler.

To be honest, I was intentionally trying to be supportive of their union, because that's what friends do, even when they privately think that their friends are making a less-than-optimal decision. I'm not good at duplicity, though, and the ESI knows me through and through. She absolutely knows that I wish I were younger and she were straight (because ....... of course), and she seems quietly amused by my wishes. Oh, well.

The ESI said that she thought I had the two of them reversed; that she was the Thinker and her LII GF was the Feeler. The LII immediately corrected her, like, within about 50 microseconds, and said to the ESI, "No, he's right. You are a Feeler. I'm a Thinker."
The ESI didn't look convinced. She looked a bit pissed, actually.

Given my knowledge of ESIs in general, and ESI-Se's in particular, I wondered why the ESI might think that she's a Thinker, and then it hit me.

The ESI-Se spends most of her brain-space in scanning the horizon for threats, because with low Ni, she can't anticipate what might be coming over the horizon. She worries a lot. And I mean, a lot. Because she can't easily make rational Te judgements about what might be a threat and what isn't, she spends all her "right now" time on high alert. (One of the reasons she likes to be around me is that I somehow make her feel calm, and she's said that out loud.)

To her, her constant scanning makes it seems like she's thinking all the time. She's confusing "spending all your time with a function", with "being good at a function."

I did the same thing when I tried and failed for three years to learn how to write code, and when I failed German classes for seven years. I spent a lot of time with both topics, but I was never any good at either of them. I just suck at Ti stuff, and I will freely admit it.

I had an SEI ex. SEIs and ESIs have the same function dimensionality. She would often become upset at me for not seeming to have a plan for various situations, or not seeming concerned about her fears. They were often things like "if we go on a camping trip, what will happen if my brother gets sick?" And a reply like "we can just drive back the few hours' distance if we need to" didn't ever really seem good enough. I think if asked, she would say that I don't generally think things through.

I'd disagree about that, but I think a lot of the issue is that I'm not a particularly good communicator. I tend to have (IMO) good ideas of how things will go, but communicating "if x, then y; if m, then n" isn't something that comes naturally to me. If I'm asked for my opinion about a plan, I can't see better options, and I think problems will be solvable, I'll say something like "looks good" and not "here's a list of things that can go wrong. We can do x, y, z in these cases..." My attitude is to deal with things as they come, since I generally trust myself to be able to deal with situations when they happen. I don't know that that's the most comforting attitude for 1D Ne people.

[Distance]

I had an SEI ex. SEIs and ESIs have the same function dimensionality. She would often become upset at me for not seeming to have a plan for various situations, or not seeming concerned about her fears. They were often things like "if we go on a camping trip, what will happen if my brother gets sick?" And a reply like "we can just drive back the few hours' distance if we need to" didn't ever really seem good enough. I think if asked, she would say that I don't generally think things through.

I'd disagree about that, but I think a lot of the issue is that I'm not a particularly good communicator. I tend to have (IMO) good ideas of how things will go, but communicating "if x, then y; if m, then n" isn't something that comes naturally to me. If I'm asked for my opinion about a plan, I can't see better options, and I think problems will be solvable, I'll say something like "looks good" and not "here's a list of things that can go wrong. We can do x, y, z in these cases..." My attitude is to deal with things as they come, since I generally trust myself to be able to deal with situations when they happen. I don't know that that's the most comforting attitude for 1D Ne people.

fp, my wife is SEI, and i've learned here on the forum that they are strategic in that dichotomy. They are entrained in Si too, meaning dynamically embedded into planning for comfort. The other part of that dichotomy.

Plus role Ni here, where they push for something they want to happen for themselves.

You have a fish viciously swimming in a current about worry and planning around worry of what can happen to upset the destined lean.

[Vex]

SEEs are so uneconomical in so many ways lol. Like I’m no genius with money but the way this SEE wastes so much time cooking in the kitchen really tires her out. It also uses a lot of dishes and takes up everyone’s time. She was complaining about it, so I suggested “You can make meals ahead of time, if you want. Like a lasagna, and have it over the course of a few days.” And she was absolutely gobsmacked. It’s really cut back on the amount of dishes used daily and freed time for everyone in the kitchen. So I am a genius there in terms of meal prep.

[Adam Strange]

I'm beginning to think that human populations can be bred, by human actions, for certain characteristics, like wolves were bred to be dogs.

One good reason for supporting off-world human colonies is to provide places where people can escape the actions of the breeders, whether they be intentional or not.

[spacious]

fp, my wife is SEI, and i've learned here on the forum that they are strategic in that dichotomy. They are entrained in Si too, meaning dynamically embedded into planning for comfort. The other part of that dichotomy.

Plus role Ni here, where they push for something they want to happen for themselves.

You have a fish viciously swimming in a current about worry and planning around worry of what can happen to upset the destined lean.

And now I understand the worrying tendencies of my SEI grandma.

Fascinating.

[spacious]

I had an SEI ex. SEIs and ESIs have the same function dimensionality. She would often become upset at me for not seeming to have a plan for various situations, or not seeming concerned about her fears. They were often things like "if we go on a camping trip, what will happen if my brother gets sick?" And a reply like "we can just drive back the few hours' distance if we need to" didn't ever really seem good enough. I think if asked, she would say that I don't generally think things through.

I'd disagree about that, but I think a lot of the issue is that I'm not a particularly good communicator. I tend to have (IMO) good ideas of how things will go, but communicating "if x, then y; if m, then n" isn't something that comes naturally to me. If I'm asked for my opinion about a plan, I can't see better options, and I think problems will be solvable, I'll say something like "looks good" and not "here's a list of things that can go wrong. We can do x, y, z in these cases..." My attitude is to deal with things as they come, since I generally trust myself to be able to deal with situations when they happen. I don't know that that's the most comforting attitude for 1D Ne people.

I admit that I'm kind of surprised that you'd judge yourself as a poor communicator... I thought what you were describing could be chalked up to the usual issue in Activity ITR where your creative function isn't as well developed as would be for the dual of your Activity partner, aka your Ne. I pretty much can always understand what you are talking about in your writing here, I think you write very clearly, but maybe it's different out loud? Anyway, I get that there are things that you can think about in the back of your mind but not be able to actually express willfully very easily. I feel that when I talk to my ILI friend and my LII friend and they will say something that I wouldn't have been able to articulate.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I admit that I'm kind of surprised that you'd judge yourself as a poor communicator... I thought what you were describing could be chalked up to the usual issue in Activity ITR where your creative function isn't as well developed as would be for the dual of your Activity partner, aka your Ne. I pretty much can always understand what you are talking about in your writing here, I think you write very clearly, but maybe it's different out loud? Anyway, I get that there are things that you can think about in the back of your mind but not be able to actually express willfully very easily. I feel that when I talk to my ILI friend and my LII friend and they will say something that I wouldn't have been able to articulate.

You may be right. Your post made me think.

It's not something I've thought about as much as I should have. I've always felt I struggle getting through to people, but I'm less sure what that means the more I think about it. I think partly I have a childish thought that if I'm sure of something, then just laying out the truth will be enough to convince people of it, and I get frustrated when that doesn't happen and people don't change their minds/see the truth of my perspective immediately. Also I'd say that when I'm trying to explain something, it's hard for me to understand which points would be unclear or unconvincing to others, or what I should prioritize getting across, and so I don't think I do well unless I'm asked direct questions. Oh, and I have a tendency to say blunt or offensive things and make people mad.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I'm beginning to think that human populations can be bred, by human actions, for certain characteristics, like wolves were bred to be dogs.

So, you're a racist now? Any racial insights you've made recently?

One good reason for supporting off-world human colonies is to provide places where people can escape the actions of the breeders, whether they be intentional or not.

Don't you want to be one of the breeders?

[Adam Strange]

So, you're a racist now? Any racial insights you've made recently?

Race is a very poorly defined concept. Do I believe that there are differences between humans? You bet I do. Do I believe that skin color or bone structure makes a difference in anything? Yes, I do.
Do I believe that the differences between groups of people should be considered in legal or political matters? No, I don't.

I believe that the characteristics which can be bred for in humans are mostly dispositional, but the factors which select for certain dispositions are very weak in this world.

One example of a characteristic of humans which is being selected for is cranial capacity. It is dropping when compared to our ancestors of thousands of years ago. It might be something in the water, or it might be that people don't need to think as much in order to survive. Or it could be due to something else, I don't know. But humans can clearly be changed by selection.

Don't you want to be one of the breeders?

Not really, because I don't have the wisdom to know which way the human experiment should or will proceed. Given the history of species on this planet, I don't think that anyone knows.

[chriscorey]

My brother always had some subjective theoretical take on everything, so my other brother and I used to attach -ism to his name.

[CosmicCat]

LII = Metaverse
ILI/ILE = Canon
LIE = Legend
Club of socials = Folklore
EIE/IEE = Reality
IEI/EII = Lore
LSI/SLI = Doctrine
LSE/SLE = Myth
X = Delusion (A corrupted or deceptive myth where the Truth is hidden, manipulated, or intentionally distorted)

[Still Alive]

deceptive myth where the Truth is hidden, manipulated, or intentionally distorted

You are Ni base, not ENTP.

[FreelancePoliceman]

One example of a characteristic of humans which is being selected for is cranial capacity. It is dropping when compared to our ancestors of thousands of years ago. It might be something in the water, or it might be that people don't need to think as much in order to survive. Or it could be due to something else, I don't know. But humans can clearly be changed by selection.

A phrenologist, huh? Very intellectual. My racism against stoners is pretty pedestrian in comparison.

Not really, because I don't have the wisdom to know which way the human experiment should or will proceed. Given the history of species on this planet, I don't think that anyone knows.

That we don't have the knowledge is the point! To acquire it, you've gotta experiment. Once you develop a hypothesis, you capture a breeding stock, select for certain traits, and test. This is the scientific method, as any fifth grader can tell you.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

That we don't have the knowledge is the point! To acquire it, you've gotta experiment. Once you develop a hypothesis, you capture a breeding stock, select for certain traits, and test. This is the scientific method, as any fifth grader can tell you.

It could be that we never really get to “know” but action is taken anyway when it is deemed necessary. It is said that there is no set knowledge as context is ever-expanding. For example, (as slaneeshslavechild may soon be able to confirm) the military keeps experimenting with bombs at varying dates and times (with these being the experiment variables and whatnot).

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

My brother always had some subjective theoretical take on everything, so my other brother and I used to attach -ism to his name.

Reminds me of Fred Davis who calls himself Fredness

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...pJGAIc8aS3qgO1

[Distance]

After hanging with family on weekend, all Fe people, I find we all are in symphonic agreement in present thought, and with future thought & emotionally like we know where we are all going preemptively.

It is not born out of same pond, same bond, but in same kind, in mind, in all our finds.

2 SLE 2 LSI 2 SEI.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

are all ENxx types moody?

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

betray expectaitons to force them (unrelated to ENxx post above) to develp intuition... look intho things. why are they ? not just believe everything is supposed to happen to their expectations and they can self righteously react all the time. some ppl have to go throuhg with it, and even more bc others dont want to deal with it. its not my fault u misperceive things. if u hurt osmeone bc u misperceived and htey didnt even do anything wrong or attempt to be ambiguous on purpose its ur responsibility to handle urself. isnt that right? why difficult to understand?

[CosmicCat]

You are Ni base, not ENTP.

You have a point. Also ILI and ILE are two halves of one type.

[Still Alive]

You have a point. Also ILI and ILE are two halves of one type.

maybe. you are an IEI, though.

[godslave]

That we don't have the knowledge is the point! To acquire it, you've gotta experiment. Once you develop a hypothesis, you capture a breeding stock, select for certain traits, and test. This is the scientific method, as any fifth grader can tell you.

[CosmicCat]

maybe. you are an IEI, though.

What's new? Nothing good!

[Distance]

What's new? Nothing good!

[Lord Pixel]

Much knowledge, brings much grief...

[Distance]

godslave is drawing near or pushing away from ideas, or even people, in the sentiments department, and frequently in nuanced magnitudes. That looks Fi valued. Plus there is a lot of the referencing of information in quotes held on high that puts it in the Te category. Look here and look there, i arrange these facts and they spell X, anything in another spell, is a spell outside this domain, therefore lacks the absolute significance that these things spell out.

Looks Te valued.

[godslave]

Emily is awesome, she probably doesn't know about socionics yet she knows the essence of it by instincts. The dude in that video is also awesome and I really love babies so..

[Distance]

godslave is drawing near or pushing away from ideas, or even people, in the sentiments department, and frequently in nuanced magnitudes. That looks Fi valued. Plus there is a lot of the referencing of information in quotes held on high that puts it in the Te category. Look here and look there, i arrange these facts and they spell X, anything in another spell, is a spell outside this domain, therefore lacks the absolute significance that these things spell out.

Looks Te valued.

User here is a template in type for godslave, in the sentiments on the usual corrections around here. Look familiar in the usual patterns by him?
Te hammer?

Do you see me "template" in this same way in this style?

Yes

[Distance]

It is godslaves turn to find my twin in typology land.

In My Type thread there is a very similar way of parsing in that reddit typology post i posted. User is gone now, so no type stripe.

Going by one post won't cut it either, they could be mistyped, and that would bear an error in this.

Patterns in volumes.

Where be my twin?

[spacious]

How do SEEs feel about how 'hard to get' or 'hard to pin down' ILIs can be when it comes to spending time together? @Adam Strange mentioned in a different post that ILIs want you to always be thinking about them, which I have to say is not at all intuitive to me, and frankly I wouldn't have guessed about them. Anyone who can shed some light, I'd love to hear.

[Distance]

I think Park knows what type looks like.

[Adam Strange]

How do SEEs feel about how 'hard to get' or 'hard to pin down' ILIs can be when it comes to spending time together? @Adam Strange mentioned in a different post that ILIs want you to always be thinking about them, which I have to say is not at all intuitive to me, and frankly I wouldn't have guessed about them. Anyone who can shed some light, I'd love to hear.

I could say a lot about this, but let's listen to what an SEE who is surrounded by Ni-doms has to say about it.



Here's another SEE, talking about how he tries and tries and tries to get through to an ILI. There is a woman effectively playing an ILI at 0:50. Now, conquering her would be a challenge. A perfect challenge.



SEEs push and push and push. They want to conquer the world, hence their designation as "Caesar". If they can't conquer the world, maybe they can up-sell you on some new tires to go with that used car. Which is like conquering a small world.

ILI's want to be wanted. Tell an ILI "I want you to know three things", and all they will hear is the "I want you" part.

[godslave]

ILI's want to be wanted. Tell an ILI "I want you to know three things", and all they will hear is the "I want you" part.

Quoted for posterity !

Btw, this kind of phrases are indeed a good example of what we call in subliminal messages techniques an "accroche" (in french) a sort of hook element in the phrase (in the case the "I want you" part) aimed at the unconscious.

[Adam Strange]

Quoted for posterity !

Btw, this kind of phrases are indeed a good example of what we call in subliminal messages techniques an "accroche" (in french) a sort of hook element in the phrase (in the case the "I want you" part) aimed at the unconscious.

If you were an SLI, I'd tell you that I appreciate your consideration.

If you were an LSE, I'd say that I certainly respect your opinion.

If you were ESI, I'd say that you seem so strong and reliable, and I'm sure that your friends would say that you'd do anything for them out of your loyalty.

Every sociotype wants to hear one thing in particular. They actively work to be the person whom they want to be seen as.

Incidentally, I see this as a good thing.

[Distance]

If you were an SLI, I'd tell you that I appreciate your consideration.

If you were an LSE, I'd say that I certainly respect your opinion.

Every sociotype wants to hear one thing in particular.

13 more to go

[Adam Strange]

13 more to go

Twelve. Now it's your turn.

[Distance]

Twelve. Now it's your turn.

LSI: I see it will work out OK from my end.

SLE: They were fine with the proposal and happy.

[spacious]

I could say a lot about this, but let's listen to what an SEE who is surrounded by Ni-doms has to say about it.



Here's another SEE, talking about how he tries and tries and tries to get through to an ILI. There is a woman effectively playing an ILI at 0:50. Now, conquering her would be a challenge. A perfect challenge.



SEEs push and push and push. They want to conquer the world, hence their designation as "Caesar". If they can't conquer the world, maybe they can up-sell you on some new tires to go with that used car. Which is like conquering a small world.

ILI's want to be wanted. Tell an ILI "I want you to know three things", and all they will hear is the "I want you" part.

I love the idea of answering by sharing a song. Music. Human creation.

I've not spent a lot of time or energy studying the borderlands (?) between SEEs and ESIs, but what I can grasp is that, like between LIEs and ILIs, there are areas of sharp discontinuities between the types. I struggle to wrap my mind around being Se first and Fi creative, of relationships not being the end-all, be-all. Maybe if I imagine an Sx first SEE, or one who is, what's more, SEE-Fi, it would be easier to figure into my mind.

The idea that an SEE wouldn't mind an ILI wanting to space their hangouts apart by, to me, quite a lot, because the SEE is tied up with other obligations and anyway, values the pushing [reminds me of Ne leads!] is foreign to me b/c I don't think that I've seen it in real life. I feel like an ILI enjoys looking at things from afar and that they don't need to be up close and personal to enjoy the experience. Well, I'm thinking of ILI 5s here, anyway. What I'm getting at is that the ILI enjoys sort of living through the SEE's experiences/exploits [in as neutral of a sense as possible!] that they recount, and this seems to count towards the experience of the ILI's relationship with the person, almost. Whereas to me that's not the same as directly spending time together!

Interesting.