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    Quote Originally Posted by Sithis View Post
    do not eat cloves or nutmeg by the cupful.
    breaking the spice rack at 15 in the middle of the night to explore with some nutmeg. never did get around to trying it and something tells me this is probably a good thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    Cthulhu oil was good, but nothing else I've been taking so far has any obvious effect to me. Maybe I have less chest pain, but that is hard to quantify and associate with any one thing.

    I found out yesterday that I have a genotype that affects the balance of Omega-3 and Omega-6 conversion, and a genotype that makes me more likely to be Vitamin D deficient. But seeing as I'm taking Cod Liver Oil and Vitamin D+K pills already, that isn't an issue.
    What kind of chest pains are you affected by? I have chest pains caused by costochondritis, and this helps me a lot:

    www.backpod.co.nz

    Last year I was suffering from chest pains by different causes, and I was turned inside out by medical specialist. My own family doctor attributed my problems to psychological issues, but then I more or less accidentally discovered the mist likely cause: esophageal spasm. Its acute symptoms can be confused for a heart attack, but it is not something the average doctor considers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    What kind of chest pains are you affected by? I have chest pains caused by costochondritis, and this helps me a lot:

    www.backpod.co.nz

    Last year I was suffering from chest pains by different causes, and I was turned inside out by medical specialist. My own family doctor attributed my problems to psychological issues, but then I more or less accidentally discovered the mist likely cause: esophageal spasm. Its acute symptoms can be confused for a heart attack, but it is not something the average doctor considers.
    My doctor says it is anxiety, but I thought it was something to do with my heart and/or high blood pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    My doctor says it is anxiety, but I thought it was something to do with my heart and/or high blood pressure.
    Sounds like the story of my life in the past year. Many doctors all too easily attribute somatic problems to psychological causes exclusively. Have you been examined for heart related issues? Over here in Holland they do check you out to rule out conditions of the heart. It is also possible that it is a physical problem made worse or brought to the surface by psychological discomfort. Your issues do not have to be either/or, but can also be both in interaction.

    If you have been tested for heart problems, but not for other issues, and your problems persist, it is time to ask critical questions about the causes already mentioned (Tietze/costochondritis or esophageal spasm). Another syndrome with symptoms that can be mistaken for a heart attack, is pains originating in the intercostal muscles. Some of this you can test yourself by pressing with a decent amount of pressure along the ribs or in between. Best if you let someone else do it, but not too hard, because if one presses real hard, it will hurt anyway ;-)
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    If there's one thing that I think consistently makes me feel like shit, it's probably gut & anxiety related.

    People with bad diets and little exercise honestly seem healthier than me at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Sounds like the story of my life in the past year. Many doctors all too easily attribute somatic problems to psychological causes exclusively. Have you been examined for heart related issues? Over here in Holland they do check you out to rule out conditions of the heart. It is also possible that it is a physical problem made worse or brought to the surface by psychological discomfort. Your issues do not have to be either/or, but can also be both in interaction.

    If you have been tested for heart problems, but not for other issues, and your problems persist, it is time to ask critical questions about the causes already mentioned (Tietze/costochondritis or esophageal spasm). Another syndrome with symptoms that can be mistaken for a heart attack, is pains originating in the intercostal muscles. Some of this you can test yourself by pressing with a decent amount of pressure along the ribs or in between. Best if you let someone else do it, but not too hard, because if one presses real hard, it will hurt anyway ;-)
    I did have a cardiogram (or whatever the machine is called) which only established that I have "first-degree heart block" but apparently this is nothing serious and does not need to be treated. I also had my Blood tested for Hepatitis at some point - I cannot remember if was due to this specific issue, and they were probably also testing for low iron levels and similar deficiencies.

    Yes, my doctor told me that as the pain stopped (?) when I held my chest, then it probably was not a heart issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    I did have a cardiogram (or whatever the machine is called) which only established that I have "first-degree heart block" but apparently this is nothing serious and does not need to be treated. I also had my Blood tested for Hepatitis at some point - I cannot remember if was due to this specific issue, and they were probably also testing for low iron levels and similar deficiencies.

    Yes, my doctor told me that as the pain stopped (?) when I held my chest, then it probably was not a heart issue.
    Anxiety can feel like a heart attack.

    I had a PTSD attack a couple years ago and I thought I was having a heart attack. I was surprised when I was still alive after 90 seconds. I mean, if your heart stops or your aorta splits open, you really don't stay conscious for very long.

    I took three aspirins and laid down to reduce the strain on my heart, and thought about what had caused the PTSD attack. My conclusion was very enlightening.

    P.S.
    After my wife left me, I was having heart problems. (Lol. If my dance instructor had left me, I might have had foot problems.) I had a heart stress test done which showed only that I have a 5% or so increased chance of dying from some heart problems. Not enough to worry about, especially considering the longevity of my family members (immigrant grandfather excepted). I made up for that 5% by not buttering my toast and moved on.

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    I drink around 10-12 cups of tea and coffee every day, which may be an issue, but I don’t think I’ve discussed it with a doctor. I suppose seeing as they frequently test my blood pressure, they would see it as a distinct issue to chest pain.

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    Dude, if you drink that much tea/coffee then it's probably affecting how much vitamin C, B and even D you are absorbing. It can cause low iron too which could worsen your anxiety symptoms. If you're on epilepsy meds, make sure you're taking supplements based on the specific type (some will leech vit D so you can afford to take a higher dose than other people. Some require a vitamin B supplement). Sorry if you know this already. I'm just very aware of how the NHS is on info sometimes (and the "healthy" levels they compare against are set too low - lower than other countries). Also been on many epilepsy meds and they often need reminding to check blood levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    I drink around 10-12 cups of tea and coffee every day, which may be an issue, but I don’t think I’ve discussed it with a doctor. I suppose seeing as they frequently test my blood pressure, they would see it as a distinct issue to chest pain.
    What... the...fuck.. here I thought my 3 smol cups of coffee throughout the day was too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    I drink around 10-12 cups of tea and coffee every day
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    Top ways to improve health:

    1. Good diet
    2. Exercise
    3. Balanced vitamins and minerals:

    a. Vitamin D3
    b. Magnesium
    c. Fish Oil

    Vitamin D3 helps you absorb calcium thus helps your bones. It also helps with your immune system to fight off viral and bacterial infections

    Magnesium helps you absorb Vitamin D3 in the gut and regulates your D3 levels. Thus, magnesium will boost D3 if low. In ADDITION, If you're worried about TOO MUCH D3, your magnesium keeps it IN CHECK.

    Magnesium also alleviates any agitation, emotional sensitivity, and stabilizes mood. Most American diets are deficient in magnesium so supplementing is very helpful.

    Fish oil is great for overall inflammation. Less inflammation, less depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onfireee View Post
    Top ways to improve health:

    1. Good diet
    2. Exercise
    3. Balanced vitamins and minerals:

    a. Vitamin D3
    b. Magnesium
    c. Fish Oil

    Vitamin D3 helps you absorb calcium thus helps your bones. It also helps with your immune system to fight off viral and bacterial infections

    Magnesium helps you absorb Vitamin D3 in the gut and regulates your D3 levels. Thus, magnesium will boost D3 if low. In ADDITION, If you're worried about TOO MUCH D3, your magnesium keeps it IN CHECK.

    Magnesium also alleviates any agitation, emotional sensitivity, and stabilizes mood. Most American diets are deficient in magnesium so supplementing is very helpful.

    Fish oil is great for overall inflammation. Less inflammation, less depression.
    I think I'm doing pretty good on my supplements game but have become curious lately about magnesium, so this is good to know. Do you recommend a certain brand?

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    One time I was taking magnesium and when I had my blood drawn the doctor said I had too much magnesium lol. He said too much makes you weak.

    I'm glad I stumbled across this post again though because I feel like I'm lacking vitamins myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie View Post
    One time I was taking magnesium and when I had my blood drawn the doctor said I had too much magnesium lol. He said too much makes you weak.

    I'm glad I stumbled across this post again though because I feel like I'm lacking vitamins myself.
    Drink about 2 liters of water spread throughout the day, not all at once. Sleep 7-8 hours daily (make it a routine). For mental health sleep is one of the best things you can do. Make sure you sunbathe if you have the opportunity. Best time is in the afternoon, don't get burned. Most food is vitamin D fortified, but you still need sunlight (antidepressant). This is as easy as doing something outside in the sun, preferably something that covers the exercise part. Strict exercise is always boring, find a sport you enjoy = better option. Eat varied meals with plenty of vegetables, fruit, carbs and protein. <== you should be fine without supplements.

    IF IEE maintaining this will not be possible, so just find a Si dom friend or something who can point out when you are overexerting yourself and drag you along into such a routine. better yet, find Si dom bf and get massage/sex ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
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    I used to drink that amount, with the addition of 2 spoons of sugar (12 grams) added to each cup of coffee. Since I drink lattés, you also need to add the 6 grams of lactose, and the 4 grams of fat. About three years ago I already switched to 0% fat milk, and since three months I add lactase to my milk so all the lactose is converted to glucose and galactose, which makes the milk sweeter, but not higher in calories. I also add some artificial sweetener, but since this does not produce the right kind of sweetness, I still add 1/2 teaspoon (3 grams) of plain sugar. Together with other measures, such as freezing my lunch meats and cheese to avoid snacking, I have lost 8kg since last July.

    I was also reducing the number of cups per day, but then the covid crisis started, I was forced into mandatory vacation and gained 3kg again.

    ETA: speaking of mandatory vacations: I have been drinking wine and eating Mediterranean snacks in vacation-sized amounts lately, and apart from the weight gain, I also start to feel worse physically again. I have a sort of love/hate relationship with alcohol and drugs: I like to use it a bit, but when taken in too large quantities (which is still a lot less than lots of other people) over an extended period (usually a matter of days), these start working against me. This is probably why I never became an alcoholic or drug addict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    I think I'm doing pretty good on my supplements game but have become curious lately about magnesium, so this is good to know. Do you recommend a certain brand?
    Having 400+mg of Mg as a single dose causes a laxative effect in many people. Taking the dose two times per day virtually eliminates the laxative effect. Just as you do not consume all of your water or food for the day at one time, you should not consume all of your Magnesium for the day at one time. Excessive food, water, Magnesium, etc. is too hard on the gut.

    Controversy as to which form of Magnesium is best., but here are some important points:

    --Liquid form: Magnesium Chloride has good bioavailability and low laxative effect. Can also be used topically on sore muscles
    --Pill form: Magnesium Citrate seems pretty good
    --Magnesium Oxide - consensus = concerns with low bio-availability
    --Watch out for calcium - Be careful that the suplement does not contain Calcium (most people need to reduce Ca intake)

    Supporting evidence:

    https://vitamindwiki.com/Vitamin+D+and+Magnesium


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Drink about 2 liters of water spread throughout the day, not all at once. Sleep 7-8 hours daily (make it a routine). For mental health sleep is one of the best things you can do. Make sure you sunbathe if you have the opportunity. Best time is in the afternoon, don't get burned. Most food is vitamin D fortified, but you still need sunlight (antidepressant). This is as easy as doing something outside in the sun, preferably something that covers the exercise part. Strict exercise is always boring, find a sport you enjoy = better option. Eat varied meals with plenty of vegetables, fruit, carbs and protein. <== you should be fine without supplements.

    IF IEE maintaining this will not be possible, so just find a Si dom friend or something who can point out when you are overexerting yourself and drag you along into such a routine. better yet, find Si dom bf and get massage/sex ).
    LOL at the last sentence. I do greatly enjoy massages. I wore sunblock today for the first time in I don’t know how long. I have very fair, freckly skin in a high skin cancer zone so it’s important. I smell like sunblock, but whatever. Yeah I do over exert myself sometimes and end up injuring myself lol. Strict exercise is boring as hell, I find bike riding and hiking to be the most enjoyable, though if without company hiking can get boring. Bike riding doesn’t though cause I’m always blasting music and sometimes I dance on my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onfireee View Post
    Having 400+mg of Mg as a single dose causes a laxative effect in many people. Taking the dose two times per day virtually eliminates the laxative effect. Just as you do not consume all of your water or food for the day at one time, you should not consume all of your Magnesium for the day at one time. Excessive food, water, Magnesium, etc. is too hard on the gut.

    Controversy as to which form of Magnesium is best., but here are some important points:

    --Liquid form: Magnesium Chloride has good bioavailability and low laxative effect. Can also be used topically on sore muscles
    --Pill form: Magnesium Citrate seems pretty good
    --Magnesium Oxide - consensus = concerns with low bio-availability
    --Watch out for calcium - Be careful that the suplement does not contain Calcium (most people need to reduce Ca intake)

    Supporting evidence:

    https://vitamindwiki.com/Vitamin+D+and+Magnesium

    Hey thanks for the thorough reply! This is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Hey thanks for the thorough reply! This is great.
    Like @thegreenfaerie mentioned with “weakness”, I and others I know have had heart palpitations and difficulty breathing with too much magnesium. I think one person I knew had a blackout. So be careful seriously lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Like @thegreenfaerie mentioned with “weakness”, I and others I know have had heart palpitations and difficulty breathing with too much magnesium. I think one person I knew had a blackout. So be careful seriously lol.
    Good to know. I'll be careful.

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    Has anyone here tried flushing type Niacin with good results (for mood and anxiety)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Like @thegreenfaerie mentioned with “weakness”, I and others I know have had heart palpitations and difficulty breathing with too much magnesium. I think one person I knew had a blackout. So be careful seriously lol.
    If you want to survive the coronavirus, Vitamin D seems like one of the most important factors. There is a giant correlation between vitamin D levels and mortality. It seems like every test they perform on the relationship, the correlation becomes even stronger. Most people are deficient in magnesium, but too high levels of magnesium is bad as well. The body is all about voltage differential where things generate a current and then another ion comes in to relax. Sodium/Potassium, Calcium/Magnesium, Zinc/Copper. Too much magnesium can cause the blood pressure to drop, which is probably why your friend blacked out. Calcium and Magnesium are a big part of how the heart beats. Calcium makes your heart constrict and pump blood and the Magnesium relaxes your heart. If you have too much of either(or not enough of one), your heart can beat out of rhythm. For most people, if they are having heart palpitations there's a decent chance that Magnesium will help. There are exceptions to that rule though, which is probably what happened to your friend. Your friends blood pressure dropped, oxygen levels declined, and he/she passed out. I want to also point out that he/she may have had low calcium levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie View Post
    Has anyone here tried flushing type Niacin with good results (for mood and anxiety)?
    I haven’t tried Niacin on its own but I’ve had other supplements containing niacin and have noticed with foods high in niacin, that yes, it works to elevate mood. I think it induces a sense of calm energy.

    @Hitta Considering how many things are fortified with calcium, and how my friend never had any issues with this before taking magnesium supplements, I think low calcium is unlikely to have been the problem in any of these cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I haven’t tried Niacin on its own but I’ve had other supplements containing niacin and have noticed with foods high in niacin, that yes, it works to elevate mood. I think it induces a sense of calm energy.

    @Hitta Considering how many things are fortified with calcium, and how my friend never had any issues with this before taking magnesium supplements, I think low calcium is unlikely to have been the problem in any of these cases.
    Probably not, I agree calcium is in so many different foods. There are a few things that can cause low calcium levels though such a not getting enough protein in your diet, having a underactive parathyroid, or kidney issues . It's not something I'd completely dismiss altogether.
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    I've long been concerned that I've not been getting enough of particular vitamins in my diet and also lament that I do not habitually consume the wide range of herbs and spices that are said to be elixirs.

    I've started this thread to echo the quacks I have consumed so far, and so that others can offer insights they've found.


    According to The Government of my country (that is, the health service), the only vitamin that they recommend everybody takes as a supplement is Vitamin D during the darker part of the year (I don't mean night, unless you are very far north or south). I actually found it hard to find doses sold that only meet the Recommended Daily Allowance and no more. The one I actually bought says it is 2000% of the RDA (although I think it's actually 1000% going on the 8.5 to 10mg figure recommended the NHS). Apparently if you take too much Vitamin D (in one go, or over time), this is very bad for your bones & kidneys (or was it the liver). But it seems that I would be OK to take one every week or two.

    .......................

    I have been utilising this website: https://cosylab.iiitd.edu.in/spicerx/

    for research into herbs and spices, but ideally I would like for similar for all legal over-the-counter compounds that are safe.

    The chart there is out of date it seems, based on the downloadable database, and should be more like:

     
    Common Name Scientific Name NCBI TAX ID No. of Positive associations No. of Negative associations
    garlic Allium sativum 4682 1092 Positive 66 Negative
    ginkgo Ginkgo biloba 3311 830 Positive 37 Negative
    ginger Zingiber officinale 94328 795 Positive 3 Negative
    turmeric Curcuma longa 136217 739 Positive 9 Negative
    liquorice Glycyrrhiza glabra 49827 365 Positive 216 Negative
    black cumin Nigella sativa 555479 278 Positive 9 Negative
    saffron Crocus sativus 82528 237 Positive 5 Negative
    ceylon cinnmaon Cinnamomum verum 128608 220 Positive 20 Negative
    fenugreek Trigonella foenum-graecum 78534 188 Positive 17 Negative
    safflower Carthamus tinctorius 4222 182 Positive 10 Negative
    chinese cinnamon Cinnamomum aromaticum 119260 154 Positive 7 Negative
    sesame Sesamum indicum 4182 141 Positive 19 Negative
    rosemary Salvia rosmarinus 39367 132 Positive 7 Negative
    peppermint Mentha x piperita 34256 114 Positive 7 Negative
    clove Syzygium aromaticum 219868 92 Positive 16 Negative
    avocado leaf Persea americana 3435 83 Positive 15 Negative
    holy basil Ocimum tenuiflorum 204149 82 Positive
    sunflower Helianthus annuus 4232 77 Positive 30 Negative
    common chamomile Chamaemelum nobile 99037 76 Positive 7 Negative
    evening primrose Oenothera biennis 3942 70 Positive
    garden thyme Thymus vulgaris 49992 67 Positive 6 Negative
    red sorrel Hibiscus sabdariffa 183260 66 Positive 3 Negative
    common oregano Origanum vulgare 39352 65 Positive
    jiaogulan Gynostemma pentaphyllum 182084 64 Positive
    flax Linum usitatissimum 4006 63 Positive 5 Negative
    lemon balm Melissa officinalis 39338 60 Positive
    common lavender Lavandula angustifolia 39329 59 Positive 1 Negative
    bell pepper Capsicum annuum 4072 57 Positive 12 Negative
    borage Borago officinalis 13363 54 Positive 1 Negative
    black pepper Piper nigrum 13216 50 Positive 4 Negative
    celery Apium graveolens 4045 49 Positive 46 Negative
    coriander Coriandrum sativum 4047 49 Positive 9 Negative
    basil Ocimum basilicum 39350 49 Positive
    fennel Foeniculum vulgare 48038 46 Positive 7 Negative
    long pepper Piper longum 49511 44 Positive
    ajowan Trachyspermum ammi 52570 43 Positive
    mastic Pistacia lentiscus 371726 42 Positive
    chilli pepper Capsicum frutescens 4073 41 Positive 24 Negative
    chicory Cichorium intybus 13427 40 Positive 3 Negative
    european barberry Berberis vulgaris 258209 40 Positive
    common purslane Portulaca oleracea 46147 40 Positive
    asafoetida Ferula assa-foetida 52471 39 Positive
    dandelion Taraxacum officinale 50225 37 Positive 4 Negative
    cumin Cuminum cyminum 52462 37 Positive
    curry leaf Murraya koenigii 159030 36 Positive
    absinthium Artemisia absinthium 72332 33 Positive 5 Negative
    lemon grass Cymbopogon citratus 66014 31 Positive 2 Negative
    tanner sumac Rhus coriaria 298661 30 Positive 5 Negative
    westen yarrow Achillea millefolium 13329 28 Positive 4 Negative
    green cardamom Elettaria cardamomum 105181 28 Positive 3 Negative
    guinea pepper Xylopia aethiopica 1317910 27 Positive
    watercress Nasturtium officinale 65948 26 Positive 15 Negative
    nutmeg Myristica fragrans 51089 26 Positive 6 Negative
    german chamomile Matricaria chamomilla 98504 26 Positive 1 Negative
    common sage Salvia officinalis 38868 26 Positive
    fish mint Houttuynia cordata 16752 26 Positive
    aniseed Pimpinella anisum 271192 25 Positive 4 Negative
    spearmint Mentha spicata 29719 24 Positive
    caper Capparis spinosa 65558 22 Positive 1 Negative
    juniper Juniperus communis 58039 21 Positive 3 Negative
    beafsteak plant Perilla frutescens 48386 21 Positive 1 Negative
    star anise Illicium verum 124778 19 Positive 3 Negative
    zedoary Curcuma zedoaria 136224 18 Positive
    kencur Kaempferia galanga 97750 18 Positive
    mugwort Artemisia vulgaris 4220 17 Positive 57 Negative
    marjoram Origanum majorana 268884 17 Positive
    brazilian pepper tree Schinus terebinthifolia 169191 16 Positive
    greater galangal Alpinia galanga 94327 16 Positive
    common rue Ruta graveolens 37565 15 Positive 8 Negative
    wormseed Dysphania ambrosioides 330163 15 Positive
    indian borage Plectranthus amboinicus 204180 14 Positive 2 Negative
    lesser galangal Alpinia officinarum 199623 14 Positive
    achiote Bixa orellana 66672 13 Positive 6 Negative
    chia seed Salvia hispanica 49212 13 Positive 1 Negative
    ashitaba Angelica keiskei 357850 13 Positive
    spikenard Nardostachys jatamansi 179860 13 Positive
    wasabi Eutrema japonicum 75806 13 Positive
    summer savory Satureja hortensis 49987 13 Positive
    lemon verbena Aloysia triphylla 542672 12 Positive
    bay laurel Laurus nobilis 85223 11 Positive 7 Negative
    quinoa Chenopodium quinoa 63459 11 Positive 7 Negative
    parsely Petroselinum crispum 4043 11 Positive 1 Negative
    babasu oil Attalea speciosa 145700 11 Positive
    dill seed Anethum graveolens 40922 11 Positive
    melegueta pepper Aframomum melegueta 637930 10 Positive
    kokum Garcinia indica 547469 10 Positive
    caraway Carum carvi 48032 9 Positive
    catnip Nepeta cataria 39347 8 Positive 1 Negative
    willow herb Epilobium parviflorum 644182 8 Positive
    szechuan pepper Zanthoxylum piperitum 354529 8 Positive
    tarragon Artemisia dracunculus 72341 8 Positive
    water pepper Persicaria hydropiper 46901 8 Positive
    welsh onion Allium fistulosum 35875 8 Positive
    california bay laurel Umbellularia californica 3438 7 Positive 3 Negative
    indian bay Cinnamomum tamala 397098 7 Positive
    quassia Quassia amara 43725 7 Positive
    garlic chives Allium tuberosum 4683 7 Positive
    allspice Pimenta dioica 375272 6 Positive
    corn mint Mentha arvensis 292239 6 Positive
    breadseed poppies Papaver somniferum 3469 6 Positive
    alkanet Alkanna tinctoria 543564 5 Positive
    alligator pepper Aframomum daniellii 199616 5 Positive
    common verbena Verbena officinalis 79772 5 Positive
    clary sage Salvia sclarea 38869 5 Positive
    fireweed Chamerion angustifolium 13055 5 Positive
    horseradish Armoracia rusticana 3704 5 Positive
    water mint Mentha aquatica 190902 4 Positive
    cinnamon myrtle Backhousia myrtifolia 178105 4 Positive
    fingerroot Uvaria chamae 174970 4 Positive
    mexican marigold Tagetes minuta 169607 4 Positive
    boldo Peumus boldus 63812 4 Positive
    alfalfa Medicago sativa 3879 4 Positive
    checkerberry Gaultheria procumbens 157519 3 Positive 4 Negative
    hyssop Hyssopus officinalis 39324 3 Positive 2 Negative
    chive Allium schoenoprasum 74900 3 Positive 1 Negative
    long coriander Eryngium foetidum 477864 3 Positive
    shea butter Vitellaria paradoxa 292385 3 Positive
    spotted orchis Orchis mascula 59338 3 Positive
    sassafras Sassafras albidum 46945 3 Positive
    black mustard Brassica nigra 3710 2 Positive 2 Negative
    musk okra Abelmoschus moschatus 1170222 2 Positive
    pot marjoram Origanum onites 452416 2 Positive
    cubeb pepper Piper cubeba 405322 2 Positive
    oil seed camellia Camellia oleifera 385388 2 Positive
    black cumin Bunium persicum 377494 2 Positive
    persian cow parsley Heracleum persicum 360621 2 Positive
    pandan flower Pandanus odoratissimus 240453 2 Positive
    wild thyme Thymus serpyllum 204219 2 Positive
    indonesian cinnamon Cinnamomum burmannii 119261 2 Positive
    sheep's sorrel Rumex acetosella 61450 2 Positive
    herb bennet Geum urbanum 57919 2 Positive
    lemon myrtle Backhousia citriodora 39976 2 Positive
    white mustard Sinapis alba 3728 2 Positive
    brown mustard Brassica juncea 3707 2 Positive
    mexican oregano Lippia graveolens 1986359 1 Positive
    korarima Aframomum corrorima 1765291 1 Positive
    black cardamom Amomum subulatum 1008370 1 Positive
    pineapple sage Salvia elegans 888065 1 Positive
    saigon cinnamon Cinnamomum loureiroi 688535 1 Positive
    curry plant Helichrysum italicum 261786 1 Positive
    pandan leaf Pandanus amaryllifolius 260201 1 Positive
    red torch ginger Etlingera elatior 188493 1 Positive
    salad burnet Poterium sanguisorba 137456 1 Positive
    linden Tilia tomentosa 121718 1 Positive
    yellow water lily Nuphar lutea 77113 1 Positive
    vanilla Vanilla planifolia 51239 1 Positive
    winter savory Satureja montana 49988 1 Positive
    peruvian pepper Schinus molle 43851 1 Positive
    locoto Capsicum baccatum 33114 1 Positive
    mountain pepper Tasmannia lanceolata 3420 1 Positive
    sago palm Metroxylon sagu 93297 2 Negative
    kawakawa seed Macropiper excelsum 130373 1 Negative


    In red, I've (subjectively) highlighted those that had a particular high ratio of negative assosiations (research reports) compared to the number of positive ones. But each individual will have to do their own reseach to see if the spice/herb is liable to be harmful for them (bearing in mind their individual health issues & also possible conflicts with medicines they take). For example, in my case, I have crossed out ginkgo.

    The long and the short of this is that so far, I've determined that it would be good for me to definitely take garlic and tumeric (actually, the deriative active compound curcumin specifically) taking into consideration the diverse health benefits (seemingly without negative implications for my own health) and the cost.

    Examine.com (which seems to be a generally reliable website for reviewing such compounds recommends about 10g (or equilavent) of garlic a day - I now 12g simply because of the dose I purchased. This costs about 8 pence a day or 11 cents.

    With curcumin, it is very important for it to be activated, otherwise it won't be adequate unless you take a very large dose (research papers generally cite the use of black pepper for this purpose). I have purchased curcumin in the "Meriva" form, which is an alternative method. I take 500mg a day, which costs 27 pence or 35 cents.


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    When I was going further down the list of herbs/spices, I was encountering positive associations/research for health conditions/health preservation etc. that had more positive associations with herbs/spices further up the list. Of course it is possible and likely that multiple selections compliment each other. Also, there are many conditions that are person specific, e.g. diabetes rather likely to be of general interest. Other than Garlic and Turmeric (Curcumin), so far, I have asterisked ginger, cinammon, and black cumin for my further consideration.

    According to a survey conducted by the Council for Responsible Nutrition, more than half the people who consume dietary supplements say that their most trusted source for information on reliable dietary supplements was either their doctor or physician.


    An article featured in Nutritional Outlook quotes Erik Goldman, “There are a lot more practitioners using supplements, recommending supplements, and in some cases dispensing supplements in their offices” now than there were just a few years ago. Goldman surveyed health practitioners and discovered that 91% of the 643 respondents (who included primary-care physicians, nurses, naturopathic doctors, and others) recommend supplements, nutraceuticals, or natural products to their patients. According to his survey, about 45% of these respondents are considering dispensing supplements and natural products out of their offices via dispensary or an online service.

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