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    Default Dietary Supplements (for optimal health)

    I've long been concerned that I've not been getting enough of particular vitamins in my diet and also lament that I do not habitually consume the wide range of herbs and spices that are said to be elixirs.

    I've started this thread to echo the quacks I have consumed so far, and so that others can offer insights they've found.


    According to The Government of my country (that is, the health service), the only vitamin that they recommend everybody takes as a supplement is Vitamin D during the darker part of the year (I don't mean night, unless you are very far north or south). I actually found it hard to find doses sold that only meet the Recommended Daily Allowance and no more. The one I actually bought says it is 2000% of the RDA (although I think it's actually 1000% going on the 8.5 to 10mg figure recommended the NHS). Apparently if you take too much Vitamin D (in one go, or over time), this is very bad for your bones & kidneys (or was it the liver). But it seems that I would be OK to take one every week or two.

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    I have been utilising this website: https://cosylab.iiitd.edu.in/spicerx/

    for research into herbs and spices, but ideally I would like for similar for all legal over-the-counter compounds that are safe.

    The chart there is out of date it seems, based on the downloadable database, and should be more like:

     
    Common Name Scientific Name NCBI TAX ID No. of Positive associations No. of Negative associations
    garlic Allium sativum 4682 1092 Positive 66 Negative
    ginkgo Ginkgo biloba 3311 830 Positive 37 Negative
    ginger Zingiber officinale 94328 795 Positive 3 Negative
    turmeric Curcuma longa 136217 739 Positive 9 Negative
    liquorice Glycyrrhiza glabra 49827 365 Positive 216 Negative
    black cumin Nigella sativa 555479 278 Positive 9 Negative
    saffron Crocus sativus 82528 237 Positive 5 Negative
    ceylon cinnmaon Cinnamomum verum 128608 220 Positive 20 Negative
    fenugreek Trigonella foenum-graecum 78534 188 Positive 17 Negative
    safflower Carthamus tinctorius 4222 182 Positive 10 Negative
    chinese cinnamon Cinnamomum aromaticum 119260 154 Positive 7 Negative
    sesame Sesamum indicum 4182 141 Positive 19 Negative
    rosemary Salvia rosmarinus 39367 132 Positive 7 Negative
    peppermint Mentha x piperita 34256 114 Positive 7 Negative
    clove Syzygium aromaticum 219868 92 Positive 16 Negative
    avocado leaf Persea americana 3435 83 Positive 15 Negative
    holy basil Ocimum tenuiflorum 204149 82 Positive
    sunflower Helianthus annuus 4232 77 Positive 30 Negative
    common chamomile Chamaemelum nobile 99037 76 Positive 7 Negative
    evening primrose Oenothera biennis 3942 70 Positive
    garden thyme Thymus vulgaris 49992 67 Positive 6 Negative
    red sorrel Hibiscus sabdariffa 183260 66 Positive 3 Negative
    common oregano Origanum vulgare 39352 65 Positive
    jiaogulan Gynostemma pentaphyllum 182084 64 Positive
    flax Linum usitatissimum 4006 63 Positive 5 Negative
    lemon balm Melissa officinalis 39338 60 Positive
    common lavender Lavandula angustifolia 39329 59 Positive 1 Negative
    bell pepper Capsicum annuum 4072 57 Positive 12 Negative
    borage Borago officinalis 13363 54 Positive 1 Negative
    black pepper Piper nigrum 13216 50 Positive 4 Negative
    celery Apium graveolens 4045 49 Positive 46 Negative
    coriander Coriandrum sativum 4047 49 Positive 9 Negative
    basil Ocimum basilicum 39350 49 Positive
    fennel Foeniculum vulgare 48038 46 Positive 7 Negative
    long pepper Piper longum 49511 44 Positive
    ajowan Trachyspermum ammi 52570 43 Positive
    mastic Pistacia lentiscus 371726 42 Positive
    chilli pepper Capsicum frutescens 4073 41 Positive 24 Negative
    chicory Cichorium intybus 13427 40 Positive 3 Negative
    european barberry Berberis vulgaris 258209 40 Positive
    common purslane Portulaca oleracea 46147 40 Positive
    asafoetida Ferula assa-foetida 52471 39 Positive
    dandelion Taraxacum officinale 50225 37 Positive 4 Negative
    cumin Cuminum cyminum 52462 37 Positive
    curry leaf Murraya koenigii 159030 36 Positive
    absinthium Artemisia absinthium 72332 33 Positive 5 Negative
    lemon grass Cymbopogon citratus 66014 31 Positive 2 Negative
    tanner sumac Rhus coriaria 298661 30 Positive 5 Negative
    westen yarrow Achillea millefolium 13329 28 Positive 4 Negative
    green cardamom Elettaria cardamomum 105181 28 Positive 3 Negative
    guinea pepper Xylopia aethiopica 1317910 27 Positive
    watercress Nasturtium officinale 65948 26 Positive 15 Negative
    nutmeg Myristica fragrans 51089 26 Positive 6 Negative
    german chamomile Matricaria chamomilla 98504 26 Positive 1 Negative
    common sage Salvia officinalis 38868 26 Positive
    fish mint Houttuynia cordata 16752 26 Positive
    aniseed Pimpinella anisum 271192 25 Positive 4 Negative
    spearmint Mentha spicata 29719 24 Positive
    caper Capparis spinosa 65558 22 Positive 1 Negative
    juniper Juniperus communis 58039 21 Positive 3 Negative
    beafsteak plant Perilla frutescens 48386 21 Positive 1 Negative
    star anise Illicium verum 124778 19 Positive 3 Negative
    zedoary Curcuma zedoaria 136224 18 Positive
    kencur Kaempferia galanga 97750 18 Positive
    mugwort Artemisia vulgaris 4220 17 Positive 57 Negative
    marjoram Origanum majorana 268884 17 Positive
    brazilian pepper tree Schinus terebinthifolia 169191 16 Positive
    greater galangal Alpinia galanga 94327 16 Positive
    common rue Ruta graveolens 37565 15 Positive 8 Negative
    wormseed Dysphania ambrosioides 330163 15 Positive
    indian borage Plectranthus amboinicus 204180 14 Positive 2 Negative
    lesser galangal Alpinia officinarum 199623 14 Positive
    achiote Bixa orellana 66672 13 Positive 6 Negative
    chia seed Salvia hispanica 49212 13 Positive 1 Negative
    ashitaba Angelica keiskei 357850 13 Positive
    spikenard Nardostachys jatamansi 179860 13 Positive
    wasabi Eutrema japonicum 75806 13 Positive
    summer savory Satureja hortensis 49987 13 Positive
    lemon verbena Aloysia triphylla 542672 12 Positive
    bay laurel Laurus nobilis 85223 11 Positive 7 Negative
    quinoa Chenopodium quinoa 63459 11 Positive 7 Negative
    parsely Petroselinum crispum 4043 11 Positive 1 Negative
    babasu oil Attalea speciosa 145700 11 Positive
    dill seed Anethum graveolens 40922 11 Positive
    melegueta pepper Aframomum melegueta 637930 10 Positive
    kokum Garcinia indica 547469 10 Positive
    caraway Carum carvi 48032 9 Positive
    catnip Nepeta cataria 39347 8 Positive 1 Negative
    willow herb Epilobium parviflorum 644182 8 Positive
    szechuan pepper Zanthoxylum piperitum 354529 8 Positive
    tarragon Artemisia dracunculus 72341 8 Positive
    water pepper Persicaria hydropiper 46901 8 Positive
    welsh onion Allium fistulosum 35875 8 Positive
    california bay laurel Umbellularia californica 3438 7 Positive 3 Negative
    indian bay Cinnamomum tamala 397098 7 Positive
    quassia Quassia amara 43725 7 Positive
    garlic chives Allium tuberosum 4683 7 Positive
    allspice Pimenta dioica 375272 6 Positive
    corn mint Mentha arvensis 292239 6 Positive
    breadseed poppies Papaver somniferum 3469 6 Positive
    alkanet Alkanna tinctoria 543564 5 Positive
    alligator pepper Aframomum daniellii 199616 5 Positive
    common verbena Verbena officinalis 79772 5 Positive
    clary sage Salvia sclarea 38869 5 Positive
    fireweed Chamerion angustifolium 13055 5 Positive
    horseradish Armoracia rusticana 3704 5 Positive
    water mint Mentha aquatica 190902 4 Positive
    cinnamon myrtle Backhousia myrtifolia 178105 4 Positive
    fingerroot Uvaria chamae 174970 4 Positive
    mexican marigold Tagetes minuta 169607 4 Positive
    boldo Peumus boldus 63812 4 Positive
    alfalfa Medicago sativa 3879 4 Positive
    checkerberry Gaultheria procumbens 157519 3 Positive 4 Negative
    hyssop Hyssopus officinalis 39324 3 Positive 2 Negative
    chive Allium schoenoprasum 74900 3 Positive 1 Negative
    long coriander Eryngium foetidum 477864 3 Positive
    shea butter Vitellaria paradoxa 292385 3 Positive
    spotted orchis Orchis mascula 59338 3 Positive
    sassafras Sassafras albidum 46945 3 Positive
    black mustard Brassica nigra 3710 2 Positive 2 Negative
    musk okra Abelmoschus moschatus 1170222 2 Positive
    pot marjoram Origanum onites 452416 2 Positive
    cubeb pepper Piper cubeba 405322 2 Positive
    oil seed camellia Camellia oleifera 385388 2 Positive
    black cumin Bunium persicum 377494 2 Positive
    persian cow parsley Heracleum persicum 360621 2 Positive
    pandan flower Pandanus odoratissimus 240453 2 Positive
    wild thyme Thymus serpyllum 204219 2 Positive
    indonesian cinnamon Cinnamomum burmannii 119261 2 Positive
    sheep's sorrel Rumex acetosella 61450 2 Positive
    herb bennet Geum urbanum 57919 2 Positive
    lemon myrtle Backhousia citriodora 39976 2 Positive
    white mustard Sinapis alba 3728 2 Positive
    brown mustard Brassica juncea 3707 2 Positive
    mexican oregano Lippia graveolens 1986359 1 Positive
    korarima Aframomum corrorima 1765291 1 Positive
    black cardamom Amomum subulatum 1008370 1 Positive
    pineapple sage Salvia elegans 888065 1 Positive
    saigon cinnamon Cinnamomum loureiroi 688535 1 Positive
    curry plant Helichrysum italicum 261786 1 Positive
    pandan leaf Pandanus amaryllifolius 260201 1 Positive
    red torch ginger Etlingera elatior 188493 1 Positive
    salad burnet Poterium sanguisorba 137456 1 Positive
    linden Tilia tomentosa 121718 1 Positive
    yellow water lily Nuphar lutea 77113 1 Positive
    vanilla Vanilla planifolia 51239 1 Positive
    winter savory Satureja montana 49988 1 Positive
    peruvian pepper Schinus molle 43851 1 Positive
    locoto Capsicum baccatum 33114 1 Positive
    mountain pepper Tasmannia lanceolata 3420 1 Positive
    sago palm Metroxylon sagu 93297 2 Negative
    kawakawa seed Macropiper excelsum 130373 1 Negative


    In red, I've (subjectively) highlighted those that had a particular high ratio of negative assosiations (research reports) compared to the number of positive ones. But each individual will have to do their own reseach to see if the spice/herb is liable to be harmful for them (bearing in mind their individual health issues & also possible conflicts with medicines they take). For example, in my case, I have crossed out ginkgo.

    The long and the short of this is that so far, I've determined that it would be good for me to definitely take garlic and tumeric (actually, the deriative active compound curcumin specifically) taking into consideration the diverse health benefits (seemingly without negative implications for my own health) and the cost.

    Examine.com (which seems to be a generally reliable website for reviewing such compounds recommends about 10g (or equilavent) of garlic a day - I now 12g simply because of the dose I purchased. This costs about 8 pence a day or 11 cents.

    With curcumin, it is very important for it to be activated, otherwise it won't be adequate unless you take a very large dose (research papers generally cite the use of black pepper for this purpose). I have purchased curcumin in the "Meriva" form, which is an alternative method. I take 500mg a day, which costs 27 pence or 35 cents.


    Suggested websites (at your own own risk, fingers crossed!):
    https://examine.com/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
    https://www.drugs.com/
    https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/index
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Supplements/


    When I was going further down the list of herbs/spices, I was encountering positive associations/research for health conditions/health preservation etc. that had more positive associations with herbs/spices further up the list. Of course it is possible and likely that multiple selections compliment each other. Also, there are many conditions that are person specific, e.g. diabetes rather likely to be of general interest. Other than Garlic and Turmeric (Curcumin), so far, I have asterisked ginger, cinammon, and black cumin for my further consideration.
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    Do ginkgo if it doesn't cause you any specific problems since that's by far one of the best. Also, the benefits of garlic seem to be exclusively because of the fiber so other sources of similar fiber should be good, and the main benefit seems to be removing heavy metals and other toxins. I made sure to consume a lot of items in the category garlic/apples/celery/onions, caffeine, and taurine when I started seriously oil painting (I had already learned before but not taken it seriously) way back because I felt slightly paranoid about the heavy metals and solvents even though oil painting is one of the safest art mediums once you take common-sense precautions and the average person is exposed to way more toxic metals and solvents than are involved in oil painting to begin with as long as you don't use lead or turpentine. Seriously, don't use lead or turpentine for any purpose at all unless you're already living a life of extreme luxury where you won't track them everywhere. As a side note, please find a substitute for bleach if you can since that's so toxic and not worth cleaning toilets and bathtubs with and makes turpentine look completely nontoxic in comparison, and if you want to bleach fabric in a vat just do it outside.

    A lot of these are basically chemically identical regarding active effects, and none of the red ones seem that harmful especially considering some of the black ones. Maybe the red ones are a result of specific pre-made supplements. Licorice can get quite toxic in large amounts, but it's usually completely harmless as a candy and the active ingredient is shikimic acid which is in Tamaflu, though Tamaflu is usually sourced from anise which is a much more concentrated source than licorice and isn't disproportionately negative, never mind anise also having a significantly toxic variant to begin with.

    German chamomile is fabulous and I have no idea what the one complaint is besides it made someone sleepy, and lemongrass seems similar though Roman chamomile seems useless and smells relatively bad. I'd recommend juniper, pine, spruce, fir, or another evergreen in some form for terpenes (not the similar terpenoids which are usually volatile since they usually contain an alcohol group and have a significantly different effect) which are basically universal anti-inflammatories and proto sex hormones and so seem to be necessary for physical maturation and then maintaining youthfulness under stress despite being heavily associated with cannabis culture nowadays. Green tea, nontoxic (usually caffeinated) hollies, and yes, hemp and cannabis are also full of terpenes as evergreen plants.

    Quinoa and some of these other ones seem too food-like and caloric to make a list of supplements. Some of these can be fairly non-caloric or caloric in different contexts like celery, but quinoa is mostly just a protein last I checked even if it's amazing and comes from an ancient South American flower.

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    While I'm very good at basically herbal medicine, the problem with optimal health is it's not the same for everyone. An expectant mother, a swimmer, and soldier, and the circus fat man won't have the same health standard and shouldn't. I also wouldn't know this stuff if I didn't live in America where the health system seemed somehow generally worse than no treatment at all for all but the most obvious traumas and emergencies. Even in emergencies, they often don't recognize symptoms and they once prescribed me a tranquilizer when I accidentally poisoned myself with solvents, for example. American health care is awful and basically the flip side to American politics along with "evangelical" branches of religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    According to The Government of my country (that is, the health service), the only vitamin that they recommend everybody takes as a supplement is Vitamin D during the darker part of the year (I don't mean night, unless you are very far north or south). I actually found it hard to find doses sold that only meet the Recommended Daily Allowance and no more. The one I actually bought says it is 2000% of the RDA (although I think it's actually 1000% going on the 8.5 to 10mg figure recommended the NHS).
    You could try cod liver oil. I have a bottle of Carlson cod liver oil soft gels, says per serving (2 gels): 20% rda of vitamin D (also 10% vit A, and 18% vit E plus EFAs) or if you can stomach the liquid form, then you can adjust dose however you want. Or you could eat more mushrooms. When they're exposed to sunlight they produce vitamin D like our skin does - so it depends on how they've been grown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    You could try cod liver oil. I have a bottle of Carlson cod liver oil soft gels, says per serving (2 gels): 20% rda of vitamin D (also 10% vit A, and 18% vit E plus EFAs) or if you can stomach the liquid form, then you can adjust dose however you want. Or you could eat more mushrooms. When they're exposed to sunlight they produce vitamin D like our skin does - so it depends on how they've been grown.
    Good suggestion.

    I've noticed cod liver oil is a frequent suggestion at the Reddit supplements community, and the range of beneficial effects listed at examine.com (on the fish oil page) I think make it a high priority consideration. (I've been hesitant about it in the past because of reading about the bad effects of harmful varieties and of fish oil that has not been stored well - also because I felt I was doing quite well getting it from my normal diet).

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    @Subteigh: you're probably confusing the Vitamin-D dosages: you are speaking of 8.5-10mg (milligrams), but it should probably be 8.5-10μg (micrograms) recommendation, hence the factor 1000 overdose when taking Vitamin D in the milligram range. Over here in Holland the elderly are recommended to take extra Vitamin D on a daily basis of 10-20 micrograms.

    I'm currently on 20μg daily on doctors orders, some of my blood values are too high and my Vitamin D level is to low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    @Subteigh: you're probably confusing the Vitamin-D dosages: you are speaking of 8.5-10mg (milligrams), but it should probably be 8.5-10μg (micrograms) recommendation, hence the factor 1000 overdose when taking Vitamin D in the milligram range. Over here in Holland the elderly are recommended to take extra Vitamin D on a daily basis of 10-20 micrograms.

    I'm currently on 20μg daily on doctors orders, some of my blood values are too high and my Vitamin D level is to low.
    Ah yes, you're quite right.

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    I take this sometimes, but it's kind of an antidepressant, anti-anxiety thing, depending on how I feel - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I take the women's multivitamin with biotin. Makes my beard softer and I like that.
    Does absolutely nothing, then dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    Good suggestion.

    I've noticed cod liver oil is a frequent suggestion at the Reddit supplements community, and the range of beneficial effects listed at examine.com (on the fish oil page) I think make it a high priority consideration. (I've been hesitant about it in the past because of reading about the bad effects of harmful varieties and of fish oil that has not been stored well - also because I felt I was doing quite well getting it from my normal diet).
    I think cod liver oil is pretty pointless if you're already getting enough omega-3 fatty acids and vitamins. Cod liver oil is just liver fat from a cod. It doesn't have anything amazingly unique in it. It's healthy, but it's basically just a way to sell more cod by branding it as more special than it is, so do it if the price and effort seem worthwhile but don't feel compelled to since it's just fish liver fat.

    Animals rarely make non-nutritive substances unlike plants. That makes sense, since plants mostly sit there and need to make substances to ward off their main would-be consumers, while animals can run, hide, and fight off anything that would like to eat them. I've heard of snake venom being extracted and repurposed, scorpion stingers being smoked, COQ10 pills made from jellyfish for old people's memory, and carmine dye in food comes from beetles, but that's about it.

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    I don't know if this could be considered a dietary supplement for health, but I take a 500 mg capsule of Resveratrol (https://www.solgar.com/all-products/...able-capsules/) every day, and have been doing this for the past ten years.

    I started taking Resveratrol when I decided to try to improve my health using pills. I have taken enough recreational drugs to be very sensitive to their effects, so when I tried this stuff, I took one tablet and went out for a walk in the morning to see if I would notice any effects. And I did. I got this feeling like I was a kid again, walking to first grade and just enjoying being in the world. (This is not my normal approach to walks.)
    I thought to myself, this stuff is extremely strong, so I'm limiting myself to just one tablet a day. Just to see what happens.
    What happened was that the one or two hour-long kick I got from the stuff gradually diminished until, after about ten days, I felt nothing after taking a tablet.

    However.....

    I'm an alcoholic. I think it is genetic (I'm about half Irish-English-Welsh-Scot and half Czech), because I don't have the same reaction to alcohol that normal people have. Normal people take one drink, maybe two, and they stop because they start to feel weird or sick. Not me. I feel better and better until I pass out.
    At the time I stated taking the Resveratrol to improve my health, my alcoholism was "managed" to the degree that I only binge drank on Fridays to the point of passing out, then took the rest of the weekend to recover.
    Here is what I felt like. On Mondays, I'd feel fine. Tuesdays, I'd start to feel a weird vibration in my body, which got worse and worse until I drank myself into oblivion on Friday. Getting drunk reset the internal alarm clock to peace-level, and then it started slowly ringing again, louder and louder, until I got drunk again. It was almost as if the alcohol filled in some chemical need my body had, and not drinking made me sicker. I felt I NEEEDED to get drunk. I didn't particularly WANT to, but I NEEDED to.

    So every Friday, I'd feel an incredibly strong need to get drunk. Until two weeks after I started taking the Resveratrol, at which point, I realized that I hadn't gotten drunk for two weeks and I didn't seem to NEED to get drunk, much less WANT to get drunk. Weird as hell, but I figured, I'll take it.

    And I stopped drinking and never felt the need to drink since then. And I haven't had a drink since then. (Alcohol kills living tissue when it touches it, you know. It is great for killing germs on the kitchen counter and brain cells in your skull. Works equally well in both places.) But I also take Resveratrol every day.

    I tried not taking the stuff twice in the past ten years, and both times, after a few days, I'd find myself saying to myself, "I feel like getting drunk". Then I'd take a Resveratrol capsule and the feeling would disappear.

    I figure that I was born with a genetic variance for processing certain chemicals, which probably had some survival factor during the last ice age (I also feel best when the temperature is around 55-60 deg F), but is super detrimental when you have access to concentrated alcohol.

    My LII sister is also an alcoholic. She set the record in Ohio for the highest blood alcohol level of anyone who is still alive (and she was in a coma for several days from setting that record. She also had a hard time speaking for a couple years.) I told her about Resveratrol and she tried it, but quit after two weeks. I asked her why, and she said it wasn't giving her the kick it did at first. >_<

    Anyway, your mileage may vary, but I take Resveratrol for my health. I didn't try it to stop drinking. Instead, the claims promised that it would extend the lives of rodents, make their coats glossy, whiten their teeth and make their dicks hard. I can't speak for the glossy coats, but I did stop drinking.

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    The only supplement that has had a noticeable effect on my well-being and day-to-day resilience is CoQ10. I've tried circumin, bitter cherry, b complex, etc. I am honestly surprised that CoQ10 does anything for me given that it's usually given to people 40+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    The only supplement that has had a noticeable effect on my well-being and day-to-day resilience is CoQ10. I've tried circumin, bitter cherry, b complex, etc. I am honestly surprised that CoQ10 does anything for me given that it's usually given to people 40+.

    What effects does it have on you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    What effects does it have on you?
    The lows are higher and just generally more stable mood. Plus other things that come from better energy utilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    The lows are higher and just generally more stable mood. Plus other things that come from better energy utilization.
    Modern environments give people so much inflammation it's not funny. People who want to sound smart say postmodernity but it's more descriptive to just call it The Glut.

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    I don’t like taking pills or capsules so I’ve stopped for a while. If you want to be efficient and just take one thing though, just take a multivitamin that doesn’t contain iron and you’ll be set imo.

    Make sure to get enough protein in your diet, and eat cilantro and greens that will chelate toxins and heavy metals out of your body, and you shouldn’t be concerned. Activated charcoal is good for this too.
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    supplementation is empirically more often found to be harmful to human heath than helpful.

    mislabeling is extremely common in the supplement industry, by the way, so even if a particular supplement you're taking could theoretically work, you can't assume that you're actually getting what's on the tin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHimTheAnomaly View Post
    supplementation is empirically more often found to be harmful to human heath than helpful.

    mislabeling is extremely common in the supplement industry, by the way, so even if a particular supplement you're taking could theoretically work, you can't assume that you're actually getting what's on the tin.
    Post your empirical sources lol

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    Post brain injury I've been taking bacopa and whatever I can get my hands on that's supposed to help energy (but never does lol), most recently rhodiola. But I don't like worrying about extra pills, so now that I'm feeling 95%, I plan on stopping once the bottles are empty.

    (Edit: I'm sort of anticipating comments on what to take for energy, maybe unnecessarily and it's just on my mind anyway, and a nootropic helped for about 2 hours after taking it, for a week or so. But b vitamins don't do shit and I can drink a pot of coffee and then nap cuz my brain has a new energy-resistant superpower, badass)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsHimTheAnomaly View Post
    supplementation is empirically more often found to be harmful to human heath than helpful.

    mislabeling is extremely common in the supplement industry, by the way, so even if a particular supplement you're taking could theoretically work, you can't assume that you're actually getting what's on the tin.
    Most of this thread has been about relatively unprocessed and natural supplements, and the few people taking pills are taking combinations of those that have been combined synergistically or synthetic versions. No one here is taking those sketchy weight loss supplements made with slightly-modified knockoff meth and overdose amounts of amino acids and vitamins, Dick Enlarger 2000, or MegaBrainFire whatever. No one here is even taking 5-hour ENERGY, the official pro-social non-prescription drug of late capitalism and I hope I didn't torture anyone with the thought of it. All of my supplements are either correctly labelled because they have actual FDA approval, are added to labelled foods, or I made them myself, though there may be some degree of human error as there is with anything. It's not hard to identify a pine needle, sweetgum pod, or a witch hazel plant and then crush or extract from it, and it's not hard to find correctly-labelled taurine or guarana or vitamin D, though it's good to be cautious if you think there could be a mix-up. If most people are getting sketchy supplements, most people suck. Supplements are necessary for health even if you don't care about supplements just like food is necessary to live even if you're not a foodie.
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    @Subteigh if you want ginkgo ever, I think ginkgo nuts are a pretty enjoyable way to get it. They contain the same things as ginkgo leaf extract which is why you shouldn't have very many and they're called ginkgo gametophytes which sounds like a food from Rick and Morty and pretty much is since it's the fertilized reproductive structure from a sex-changing living fossil and typologically unique among living plants.

    Culinary uses of ginkgo nuts

    @sbbds is probably more qualified to talk about ginkgo nuts than I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    @Subteigh if you want ginkgo ever, I think ginkgo nuts are a pretty enjoyable way to get it. They contain the same things as ginkgo leaf extract which is why you shouldn't have very many and they're called ginkgo gametophytes which sounds like a food from Rick and Morty and pretty much is since it's the fertilized reproductive structure from a sex-changing living fossil and typologically unique among living plants.

    Culinary uses of ginkgo nuts

    @sbbds is probably more qualified to talk about ginkgo nuts than I am.
    Lol. Nothing to say but they are tastier than supplements.

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    All we are saying is: give peas a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Claus View Post
    All we are saying is: give peas a chance.
    This would be funnier if most of the supplements here weren't way more chemically interesting and potentially harmful. 8/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    @Subteigh if you want ginkgo ever, I think ginkgo nuts are a pretty enjoyable way to get it. They contain the same things as ginkgo leaf extract which is why you shouldn't have very many and they're called ginkgo gametophytes which sounds like a food from Rick and Morty and pretty much is since it's the fertilized reproductive structure from a sex-changing living fossil and typologically unique among living plants.

    Culinary uses of ginkgo nuts

    @sbbds is probably more qualified to talk about ginkgo nuts than I am.
    I probably won't be able to take ginkgo as it is supposed to clash with epilepsy medicine and/or increase seizures if I recall, which I would rather avoid.

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    zink, magnesium and ashwaganda. Probiotics are mainly for digestion if your shit is fine then dont worry about it.
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    I guess the main priorities health-wise for general health (that is applicable to most people), beyond getting the essentials into diet, the main concerns are with cancer prevention & with heart health. (Because those are (probably) the two biggest killers).

    Improving general well-being is also an important but distinct issue.

    (Basically one is concerned with many years in the future, the other with the here and now). The first is more boring and I will probably not fully appreciate what a wise decision I made decades earlier, while the second is more interesting but can be evaluated more immediately about whether my choices are especially beneficial).

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    Have you ever had a potted plant that you moved from one light-source to another and saw it move to get its preferred amount of light near its new light source?

    The most important thing is for your body to be able to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Have you ever had a potted plant that you moved from one light-source to another and saw it move to get its preferred amount of light near its new light source?

    The most important thing is for your body to be able to do the same.
    Englishmen don't need sunlight apparently. Although it has been said that only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.

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