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    Yeah certain ExxJ types may have it easiest, I don't think EIE does from what I've seen
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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    whoever thinks IEE has it easiest in life, that is a joke.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Nooo my sister has bipolar tendencies. She is emotional and friendly withdrawn and self destructive and depressed no for ESE and so many ESE friends suffer at not finding happiness in marriage
    That’s true. I know a lot of ESEs that basically are mental and have failed marriages.

    My comment was based off only a few distant female ESEs and IEEs I know who fit the feminine social stereotypes and who seem to be successful, and look and act like they’re from decently well-off families in the first place. I know a couple fem ESEs who managed to mess it up in spite of that though, but due to their background, it’s basically their own responsibility. I know some who seem just fine though. I don’t know any cute female IEEs who’ve managed to mess it up yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    In current society it would probably best to be an LIE
    I think that might be true, especially if you’re a guy. But the problem is normal ESIs are super hard to find and to dualize with... especially normal male ESIs, IME.

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    EJs, LSE if have to choose one. Least would be IPs, male IEIs if had to choose one.

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    I think you hit the nail on the head with upbringing and societal factors being a part of this. I couldn't remember who made the comments about IEE, I just knew a couple people had and it had me scratching my head, even before I settled on this typing for myself. I was writing down some thoughts, but I don't really want to go into it or be self-revealing. Maybe enneagram does play a factor in this... and I'm not sure why women would have it so different from men in this typing. I just think it's a joke from my perspective, but any type is prone to having issues that could make it not so easy for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    I think you hit the nail on the head with upbringing and societal factors being a part of this. I couldn't remember who made the comments about IEE, I just knew a couple people had and it had me scratching my head, even before I settled on this typing for myself. I was writing down some thoughts, but I don't really want to go into it or be self-revealing. Maybe enneagram does play a factor in this... and I'm not sure why women would have it so different from men in this typing. I just think it's a joke from my perspective, but any type is prone to having issues that could make it not so easy for them.
    You realize this reads as “I don’t have a reason”, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    You realize this reads as “I don’t have a reason”, right?
    "but I don't really want to go into it or be self-revealing"

    I'm sorry I brought up thinking it was a joke, but I'm not lying when I say I don't really want to go into it right now or be self-revealing, you can read into that however you want
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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    "but I don't really want to go into it or be self-revealing"

    I'm sorry I brought up thinking it was a joke, but I'm not lying when I say I don't really want to go into it right now or be self-revealing, you can read into that however you want
    Well, it would be interesting to know rather than leaving it a mystery eventually. I know some other IEEs who seem to have tumultuous lives if they don’t fall into the stereotypical fem category. FWIW I don’t think you fall that far into this category (like with me thinking you could be a dual). I think you’re a rare exception though.

    There’s one IEE guy I know who asked me to borrow cash even though he has two daughters, an older gf, and his dad is a doctor. It’s like... it’s hard to make your own life as hard as he’s made his lol, but it’s got to largely be his own fault. I’ve worked with him before too, so I know how much of an idiot he can be. He sounds a bit extreme but other IEEs I’ve known have had similar backgrounds and thinking styles. So that’s where my experience with them comes from.

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    Yeah I understand, and I know it was a shit answer that I wasn't sure if I should really post, but I thought it would be better than nothing. I'm just, in a bad spot at the current moment... but saying that feels like a cop-out


    *edit* removed what else was here because that was also a lame response that didn't fit your story either. When I'm feeling more brave and lucid I'll try to add more explaining why I don't think IEE necessarily have it the easiest. I shouldn't say half of what I say honestly and I shouldn’t have made a comment if I didn’t want to explain some of the reasons for why I feel this way.
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    I think temperaments taken into account corresponds with DCNH as well. IP(Harmonic) are often characterized by a lack of motivation and instability which would certainly make it more likely for them to have it off the worst. EJ(Dominant) being more proactive and energized grants them the ability to achieve a lifestyle where they'll feel more at ease. That said, I think IJ(Normal) tend to be the most characterized by complacency and indifference. They have a much more natural calm and collected approach to life.

    EII (easiest internally) being the most phlegmatic.
    LSE (easiest externally) being the most know-how.

    Naturally, Alpha/Delta are more contented than the other quadras as well. The lack of power struggle makes it much easier for them to be comfortable and carefree.

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    Probably those people who do not think about things with too much contradictory complexity in mind (which is my whole effin existence) because that leads to unsolvable mind states regarding everything.
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    no type has it easy especially not any type alone; society types are supposed to be a group
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    SEIs

    they can just be good at smth and be like "yay i can make money doing leisurely stuff I'd do on my own anyways!"

    ofc they could also be a "Karen" and do pretty much nothing and still enjoy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chryssie View Post
    SEIs

    they can just be good at smth and be like "yay i can make money doing leisurely stuff I'd do on my own anyways!"

    ofc they could also be a "Karen" and do pretty much nothing and still enjoy it?
    Literally every SEI I've ever known was broke AF. Making money and SEI should never be in the same sentence.

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    I have seen SEI's who can make money without printing it. The downside is that they also spend it whereas I tend to accumulate it for nothing because spending is just boring and doing investments is even more boring and not caring of using gift cards etc.
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    The types are far from equal from the point of survival in society.

    If you can make it through school with good grades without much effort, have interesting hobbies, have a good job and make money, social status and all this fairly naturally, then that's the type you "want" to be. Good types to be are LIE, LII, maybe ILE.

    You want to be a type that has it easy in society and also has good possibilities of putting their strong functions to use and develop themselves.

    SEI is probably the type that has the most problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    The types are far from equal from the point of survival in society.

    If you can make it through school with good grades without much effort, have interesting hobbies, have a good job and make money, social status and all this fairly naturally, then that's the type you "want" to be. Good types to be are LIE, LII, maybe ILE.

    You want to be a type that has it easy in society and also has good possibilities of putting their strong functions to use and develop themselves.

    SEI is probably the type that has the most problems.
    Oof... society values stability and so does individuals. The day when I discovered that using native resolution in computer displays is close to blasphemy to coworkers... Having managerial tendencies is the best bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    Least would be IPs, male IEIs if had to choose one.
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    It's not very hard being me. Circumstances can sometimes be difficult, but so far I've always made it through them alive. When I was younger, I'd see how far I could push things, and secretly delighted in the challenges when things crashed down on me, but challenges come your way whether you're looking for them or not so I don't do that so much anymore. Sometimes I worry that I'm getting too soft and lazy, but there are always remedies for that.

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    Lol, I've welcomed what you'd call opportunities for learning and growth in theory, but I haven't actively hunted, and when I've been presented with them I haven't exactly embraced them.

    ESIs have it easiest because we marry CEOs and sit on thrones of self-righteousnessness. You're jealous.

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    @squark you are not the kind of LSI I'm thinking about but many in that type thrives in a world via script. It makes sense if you want to have good untainted separate life outside of work for example (and then there are the ones that want to have something bigger in concrete world but even that daily routine follows a script). Good managers. Their weakness is usually in area of new things as things change and destroys good efficient routine and I'm not saying that they do not like to learn but too much blur can make them bit stressed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    I think temperaments taken into account corresponds with DCNH as well. IP(Harmonic) are often characterized by a lack of motivation and instability which would certainly make it more likely for them to have it off the worst. EJ(Dominant) being more proactive and energized grants them the ability to achieve a lifestyle where they'll feel more at ease. That said, I think IJ(Normal) tend to be the most characterized by complacency and indifference. They have a much more natural calm and collected approach to life.
    harmonising types also lack the energy to deal with real life. I think that many homeless people and people with disabilities are harmonising subtypes. there's a reason why this subtype prefers to use its vulnerable function.

    overall I think it's a very complex question to answer. I think that you will have an easier life when your type aligns with the quadra values of your enviroment. right now the function Te is very valued in our western society, which means that SEI and IEI probably have a harder life than LIE or LSE for example, but that's of course a very simplified point of view. it also depends on the types of your family, if your own perspective is meaningful to the people around you. I think there are many factors that are unrelated to your type that determine whether you will have an "easy" life or not.
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    I don't have it too hard in life. I might overreact about some stuff, but no. Compared to other life stories, I think I had it pretty well (besides emotionally-unavailable parents but everyone has that issue nowadays).

    My biggest problem is the fact that no one takes me seriously. And I do this to myself, in a way. It takes one depressing heartfelt rant or emotional breakdown for people to see that I'm not just the archetypal jester.
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    It's obvious that there are lots of factors other than type that determine how easy or hard life will be. But type is still a major factor, and I assume that in this thread we do the basic abstraction of disregarding other factors and talk about types on average.

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    I thought LSEs. At least they seem to be the best at handling day to day life and don't get set back by Fi PoLR.

    I can see how they often seem to have problems with big picture stuff, discovering their deeper fulfillment, or wanting to have certain types of relationships but not knowing how to form them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    overall I think it's a very complex question to answer. I think that you will have an easier life when your type aligns with the quadra values of your enviroment. right now the function Te is very valued in our western society, which means that SEI and IEI probably have a harder life than LIE or LSE for example, but that's of course a very simplified point of view. it also depends on the types of your family, if your own perspective is meaningful to the people around you. I think there are many factors that are unrelated to your type that determine whether you will have an "easy" life or not.
    I agree and I share your point of view.

    Environmental factors are more important than socionics type in that matter. You have to find the environment that fits you.
    ...or the Ej-type version: Reshape the environment in the fashion that it fits to you.

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    TBH it’s fucking exhausting being me LOL, but it can also be very rewarding sometimes. Definitely worth it but not for the faint-of-heart.

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    Hardest: EIE Jesus
    Easiest: SLI couch potato

    I think this question only makes sense in terms of which type exerts the most going on down to which type lives in ignorant bliss. I don't think wussy types have it harder since they have strong duals, same with strong types like LIE having to deal with obstinate duals like ESI like @sbbds said. So EIE seems the most exert-y and SLI is the least.

    Except @wasp calls SLI "the master" so maybe they're actually the most exert-y and EIEs are faker liar actors who aren't exert-y at all. Socionists need to make up their minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    I agree and I share your point of view.

    Environmental factors are more important than socionics type in that matter. You have to find the environment that fits you.
    ...or the Ej-type version: Reshape the environment in the fashion that it fits to you.
    That applies to quadra openers, not "Ejs." (For reference: ILE, EIE, SEE, and LSE begin their quadras in the clock of the socion. Two of those are rational and two are irrational.) I would also hope everyone can reshape the environment to some extent even if they don't create one whole cloth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
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    Dem SEIs gonna conquer the new world

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    That applies to quadra openers, not "Ejs."

    I'm not familiar with the term "quadra opener", is this Socionics nomenclature?


    The original question itself is worded in general terms.
    So what to expect as answer? 42 … Maybe?
    Type is only one factor in this equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Whichever was born rich in a developed country
    It all depends on the values of a person and the values of the society you are living in. When your own values and abilities matches the expectations of the people you are dealing with then you have it easy.
    Money is also of value, but a value can be social status, e.g. being a member of a respected group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post

    I'm not familiar with the term "quadra opener", is this Socionics nomenclature?


    The original question itself is worded in general terms.
    So what to expect as answer? 42 … Maybe?
    Type is only one factor in this equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    The process extravert in a quadra is the first type in a quadra.
    I understand, but what the reason behind that?

    Having it easy in life has more to do if you're willing to conform established rules and values of the society you are living in,
    going (activly) against these rules make your life much more difficult.

    So a lot of people have to decide what's more important in their life: Comfort or personal values
    Or try to balance between of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    I understand, but what the reason behind that?

    Having it easy in life has more to do if you're willing to conform established rules and values of the society you are living in,
    going (activly) against these rules make your life much more difficult.
    Well, if I remember correctly you're german, right. In Germany yeah, it's extremely important - I'm Italian and always found it quite shocking during my 8 adult years living there. In some other places, you just go to work and then you can find your niche and nobody will care if you conform to estabilished rules (also, what rules exactly?) and actually having enough money for you and your family is the more difficult part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, if I remember correctly you're german, right.
    Yeah, you're right. I guess I mentioned that in a few posts in this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    In Germany yeah, it's extremely important
    The rules itself are less important, but for most jobs you need proper education and a apprenticeship certification exam (<- I had to Google for that term.). Otherwise you're rated as unskilled worker, with low chances to get a proper job at all.
    And when think about founding your own company, for some jobs... yeah, there is an catalogue of jobs... you need to graduate at a master school and obtain a master craftsmanship certificate first, to do this. (<- Had to Google that term, too.)
    Mostly to ensure high quality and safety standards at work.

    But yeah, there are lots of regulations and laws in Germany. But some rules are pretty basic, such as the rules of economics – supply and demand.

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    Career-wise/Academically: LIE, Alpha NT

    Socially: SEI, Fe-IEI

    Romantically: SLE men and xEI women

    Mentally: SEI
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    EJs, LSE if have to choose one. Least would be IPs, male IEIs if had to choose one.
    barack obama is male IEI tho

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