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    Which type skates through life and, conversely, which type must battle society the hardest?

    I know these questions must have a definite and unequivocal answer so I expect you to argue your case firmly.

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    How firmly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    How firmly?

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    Are we talking "happy go lucky" or "unaware of problems and doesn't care" or "too dumb to notice" or "has the easiest time achieving their goals"?

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    You pick. Whichever thing on that list makes life easiest. I could pick one, objectively, but I don't wanna give it away.

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    Female ESEs that are social variants have it good if they started off well off.

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    After doing some thinking I'd also say ESE. I think quite weirdly EIE might have the darkest but darkness can be good, I guess.
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    Gamma extraverts, SLE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    After doing some thinking I'd also say ESE. I think quite weirdly EIE might have the darkest but darkness can be good, I guess.

    I know an EIE male with an LSE father, which is not the best situation to have, but this guy seems to bring problems on himself.
    He bought a motorcycle and crashed it and spent a year in a wheelchair. His dad paid for all the bills and the physical therapy.
    He got addicted to pain medicine and his dad paid for his mental therapy.
    He started a business making guitars and his dad bankrolled it and the EIE crashed it just as they got a working product.
    He made himself a pain around the house, so his dad bought him a house in the country, just to get him out of his face.
    An LSI with a job married him (did I mention that he doesn't have a job?), then he cheated on her with a bimbo whom he didn't even like. The LSI threw him out.

    I think, when you are a master of Fe, that ordinary life can become boring, and you have to set yourself up with greater than ordinary challenges just to stay entertained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think, when you are a master of Fe, that ordinary life can become boring, and you have to set yourself up with greater than ordinary challenges just to stay entertained.
    Thatís a big fat yes, Adam! Iím so glad you put whatís been swirling in my head for a long time now into words. And regardless of my type, Iím still 4D Fe no matter what so it works either way!
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    This is such a non-question it's hard to even give a sarcastic answer.

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    Depends. Lots of variables are at play but I'll speak to the most contentious one for me > the socio-cultural sphere.

    In my experience, MBTI frequency stats line up pretty well with the corresponding frequency for Sociotypes. There tends to be a slight variation according to geographical location but, overall, strong Si valuing types comprise the vast majority of human beings and strong Ni valuing types are the rarest, which significantly impacts the "narrative" around these functions as archetypes.

    And, albeit more competitively, strong Fe valuing types edge out strong Te valuing types and so high D Si + Fe would seem to take the day while Ni + Te would be the most "othered." Not for nothing, Alpha SFs and Gamma NTs are conflictors but the former have sheer numbers on their side. Within the cultural zeigeist, the arc villains of the world disproportionately tend to be Gamma NTs--ruthless pragmatism, strategic vision, the pursuit and accumulation of money/power/resources may be wearily respected to a certain degree (especially within a Western capitalist framework) but more than that, they are feared and distrusted.

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    I don't think it's the Gammas, although they try -- for them, it's more that they try to make it appear so, especially the intuitive Gammas with their low Se flashiness. I don't think it's the Betas either, since they tend to be either too focused on their own thing, or, when it comes to the sensors, too brash, maybe. When it comes to the Deltas, I think they make it hard for themselves. Don't ask me why. And as for the Alphas, the intuitives... well, because they really don't care about our mortal flesh in the physical realm, they let themselves be taken care of the Alpha sensors, who probably have the easiest time, which seems to be the consensus here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    Depends. Lots of variables are at play but I'll speak to the most contentious one for me > the socio-cultural sphere.

    In my experience, MBTI frequency stats line up pretty well with the corresponding frequency for Sociotypes. There tends to be a slight variation according to geographical location but, overall, strong Si valuing types comprise the vast majority of human beings and strong Ni valuing types are the rarest, which significantly impacts the "narrative" around these functions as archetypes.

    And, albeit more competitively, strong Fe valuing types edge out strong Te valuing types and so high D Si + Fe would seem to take the day while Ni + Te would be the most "othered." Not for nothing, Alpha SFs and Gamma NTs are conflictors but the former have sheer numbers on their side. Within the cultural zeigeist, the arc villains of the world disproportionately tend to be Gamma NTs--ruthless pragmatism, strategic vision, the pursuit and accumulation of money/power/resources may be wearily respected to a certain degree (especially within a Western capitalist framework) but more than that, they are feared and distrusted.
    I get some fear and distrust vibes in meetings which have all types in them.

    If Gamma NT's are respected at all, it is because they are successful in the present Western world of Capitalism, in which everyone has been indoctrinated to like money.

    Move the party to the the Theater or Story Telling or Cooking or Nurturing or Sports events or Pure Science, and it's a different story.
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    I'd say ILE-Ti have it easiest overall, especially if they're psychopaths although female ILE-Ti who aren't psychopaths don't have it 100% easy because of stereotypes and because they hate dealing with too many incompetent suitors and given their beauty and charm they're followed by more incompetent suitors than most or all other types. LIE get so angry, so I don't think they have it easiest, although they have it easier than most.

    ESI-Fi probably have it hardest. Their anxiety and neediness and being critical yet sensitive to criticism and not having great social skills and not being very aware of their environment probably means that they have it the hardest.

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    life is very pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I know an EIE male with an LSE father, which is not the best situation to have, but this guy seems to bring problems on himself.
    He bought a motorcycle and crashed it and spent a year in a wheelchair. His dad paid for all the bills and the physical therapy.
    He got addicted to pain medicine and his dad paid for his mental therapy.
    He started a business making guitars and his dad bankrolled it and the EIE crashed it just as they got a working product.
    He made himself a pain around the house, so his dad bought him a house in the country, just to get him out of his face.
    An LSI with a job married him (did I mention that he doesn't have a job?), then he cheated on her with a bimbo whom he didn't even like. The LSI threw him out.

    I think, when you are a master of Fe, that ordinary life can become boring, and you have to set yourself up with greater than ordinary challenges just to stay entertained.
    Sounds like that person has never found the right path. That business part was basically doing super ego work, very close to conflictor work – any type would go insane. Obviously it should be about social ideas or conducting some sort of research. Failures make people dwell too much on creative which turns person into depressive mess which is like super bad for EIE.
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    I've been thinking my little sister might be ESE and she seems like she will go places in life and has it very easy socially.

    I agree that EIE's seem to have it rough, but great art and such can come out of this. EIE's seem to give the impression of being confident, but have an opposite feeling inside often times and an intense feeling of loneliness even when in the company of others. It seems very painful. I'm not speaking for all of this type at all, just a couple that I have known, one being my dad (I'm pretty sure...)

    I'm not sure if they have it the hardest of all the types though. It's culturally dependent also I think. For example, certain types may have it easier in more laid-back societies for example, than they do in such "success" driven cultures

    *update* I think my sister is actually EIE
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    IEE have it easiest in life.

    I have an IEE coworker who always seems so chirpy all the time, he is always singing away at work. I don't think I've ever seen him depressed before, except for that one time when he got scolded by an LSI manager of mine.

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    Ease or difficulty with day-to-day living has more to do with intelligence, mental health, and or whether or not one is born with privileges - and of course, there's luck. Type merely indicates the data processing structure with which one is born; any one type may possess better inherent tools for specific situations but type certainly wouldn't ensure success. Life in general is too broad having far too many situations for any one type to reign supreme. Now, there are many who are happy with their lives simply because they're oblivious........

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    XYZA type
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
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    The one with a very large inheritance that doesn't have to work for money ever, but also has the wisdom to use it to find satisfaction and meaning out of their life. You know, instead of just doing drugs, alcohol, and just being a hedonist.

    Which type is that? maybe it's not a type.
    Does absolutely nothing, then dies.

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    The obvious answer would be no type.
    I can't take this anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoodoo View Post
    The one with a very large inheritance that doesn't have to work for money ever, but also has the wisdom to use it to find satisfaction and meaning out of their life. You know, instead of just doing drugs, alcohol, and just being a hedonist.

    Which type is that? maybe it's not a type.
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    hot take: introverts have a better time. extroversion doesn't translate to social adjustment/aptitude. it just means you're more dependent on outside stimulus like you would be with a drug
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    Not sure. For me personally I struggled a lot growing up basically being a male Carrie (roflmao) and feeling abused, bullied and condescended by via others, which also made me get revenge at times. I also frequently irritated others with how poor I was at logical/technical things. I butted heads with asshole state agents a lot like Neo from the Matrix. As a child I naively wanted the world to be genuine and kind (Ha! Like that will ever happen.) - but I got out of bad situations being emotionally manipulative instead. Yeah I do agree Fe is emotionally manipulative as hell but it often works - so suck it bitches!

    It's a lot better for me now but it still made a dent in my psyche. I am also naturally rebellious and openly question authority despite being shy- and a lot of people do not like that. I was hurt by others a lot but I don't see myself as an innocent victim because I hit them back 5 times harder. I'm also naturally provocative and do not like to be told what to do.

    For me it seems to be really dependent on my environment, I went to this small town trucker bar a few weeks ago and I was getting dirty looks from ppl. And I was not throwing my homosexuality in their face I swear! But idk, maybe I just did it subconsciously and they picked up on it and it made them glare. However I seem to be more well liked in liberal cities and everybody tends to butter me up more and bring out my better sides there. It is a pity the liberal party in America is so weak and ineffectual but I think obviously there is no middle ground in the Game of Life and so of course I get along with uppity liberals from Maine waaaaay better than redneck truck driving assholes and conservative LSE str8 males who play golf using the heads of shrunken gay men.

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    I'm gonna go with female ESE and female IEE having it easiest.

    I don't think I'm going to pick any type that has it the hardest. You'd think maybe certain Se types, but they also might masochistically get meaning and pleasure in life from difficulty in a way too. I know I do, so...

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    Not Ip types that's for sure.

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    whoever thinks IEE has it easiest in life, that is a joke.
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    Reminds me of one incident with IEE.

    IEE: math seems to be religious subject to you?
    Me: ???? eh?
    IEE: !!???
    Me: Well, if we really go deep into it there is absolutely nothing religious about it. It is just about following certain axioms. No exceptions allowed. It is the most non religious thing there is.
    IEE: but you seem to be so passionate about it.
    Me: #1. I'm not a mathematician and actual sciences might include much more faith in which I have degree in and I like to just play around. #2. you can shape your own worldview by using concepts used in mathematics but that is no longer mathematics.
    IEE: **shakes his head**

    Personal motives = logic. That is where IEE's excel in.
    Anyway makes me thing what I do.... It is like I try to catch peoples' logic. Which makes me... complete weirdo?


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    'Evil' logic
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    Can an IEE be purely logical?
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    In a way it seems to give a ticket to freedom or to complete chaos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I'm gonna go with female ESE and female IEE having it easiest.

    I don't think I'm going to pick any type that has it the hardest. You'd think maybe certain Se types, but they also might masochistically get meaning and pleasure in life from difficulty in a way too. I know I do, so...
    Nooo my sister has bipolar tendencies. She is emotional and friendly withdrawn and self destructive and depressed no for ESE and so many ESE friends suffer at not finding happiness in marriage
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    My friend just referred to me as logical yesterday lol. Just throwing that out there. I was giving her advice. I have yet to determine her type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    My friend just referred to me as logical yesterday lol. Just throwing that out there. I was giving her advice. I have yet to determine her type.

    Quiet you! @Heretic 007 *shakes fist*
    The calmness from the emotions pouring inside of you will make an Fi type seem more logical or rather rational
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Yes, that sounds accurate! That's how she views me also, as more calm and rational than herself (I think she's something more Fe valuing, potentially beta)
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    I vote LSE.

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    Sol's got it made in the shade
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    Probably the EXXJ types. They tend to be less neurotic and volatile, most idealised in relationships and with higher reported average relationship quality, and tend to have higher average salaries. Essentially, compared to other types, the stress they encounter e.g. from being in high pressure careers is something they have more control of due to their natural temperament.

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    LSE's are proper set to get the bare necessities of what's needed to settle down and live comfortably. They tend to work no more than what is required and they're great caretakers. By far the type most suited to create a routine sustainable lifestyle.

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    Cannot agree on ExxJ based on what I've seen
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    In current society it would probably best to be an LIE

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