Someone pointed out the biggest issue with potential IEE typing may be the placement of Ti because I tend to value it.
Someone pointed out the biggest issue with potential IEE typing may be the placement of Ti because I tend to value it.
if 4 I was thinking w3 or at least high so
- 4 brokenness from a place of 3 marketability and extraversion
- want to appear broken from a place of being still received by others, being beautiful or desirable in their signature way
- more image-conscious, able to modulate themselves to others but feel inauthentic about it
- an "aesthetic of broken," want to be seen for all their ugly parts and accepted, creating a dramatic presentation of shame
- delicate "glass menagerie," picky and "bitchy"
- more of a drive to counter the 4 inferiority and go out and accomplish things, less stuck in internal landscapes
- hatred and pickiness expressed through refinement
- 4 brokenness from a place of 5 hiddenness
- less interested in being likeable or extraverted, stuck in an existential black hole, nihilistic
- more authentic because they are less able to modulate themselves for public consumption, that's their special tragedy
- more gritty and less focus on being aesthetically beautiful
- can be more attracted to bizarre or grotesque subjects
- less image centre, gauging their authenticity more on the self rather than others' perceptions
- hatred and pickiness from a less personal place than 4w3, more conceptual
you seem somewhere in the 4, 6w7, 7w6, 9w1 range, can't say which is core
I agree. Growing up I kind of assumed I've went from 4w3 to 4w5, mainly for the fact I used to be much more ambitious and passionate but the conception that wings change is a pretty vague theory and I haven't read much to anything on it. It'd be interesting to know how or why if it's a coping mechanism towards trauma.
I'll try to follow commonalities for sorting, certain types seem more susceptible to specific trauma and their cognition is differently equip to cope in life through their preferences. For instance, I'd bet an ESI-Se type 6 would be more "counter-phobic" or even type as 8 compared to ESI-Fi who would probably be more "phobic" and 6-like, less likely to type as 8. With such like this being the case, I would see 4w5 being more common with IEI and EII and 4w3 being more common for IEE. This is all just theory though, obviously.
I am a 4. That's one I can't be convinced of otherwise. I tend to express myself differently online, though in time, you'd likely see it. Anyone who knows me knows I am a 4, lol. I have also developed in many ways due to life events, career, etc. I strive to not just fall into one typing and try to develop other functions and the like.
If there is any type I know that I am in any system for 100 percent certain, it is core 4. The wing, I can be more flexible with. I've questioned that with myself too. Social anxiety is a big factor in this too. Have you watched Richard Rohr? He says you can access both wings which could explain it as well.
I think you might be surprised with how I can seem in certain settings in person though. It's not a fakeness, it's hard to explain and is probably wrapped up in my social anxiety.
You clearly haven't seen my videos lol, I would say I appear pretty "gritty". I went out in sweatpants today. It's exhausting to focus on appearance so much and I can't spend time in front of the mirror the way my sister can. I just share the nice pictures, lol. In fact, both of my sisters spent more time in front of them mirror and seemed to care more about the appearance than me. I'm pretty authentic in that sense, believe it or not. My focus on appearance I feel like is more about expressing my individuality, showing my inner self through appearance, rather than doing it to look amazing. If you look carefully at some pictures and such, you will find a million imperfections by being lazy and sloppy and not spending time much time on my appearance. This was one distinction I read with 4w3 vs. 4w5 before, I CAN be polished, but I more often fall into the grungy category I feel.
I will admit though, because of all selfies and showing my appearance online in photos, I have questioned why I score so low on 3 myself and that I may be underestimating it. Like I said though, if you saw me in my normal life you'd see that I am not that image-focused in the sense you probably think that I am. I keep it pretty real.
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
lol, I was going to go through the list and highlight the ones I thought fit, and I realized how I unconsciously supported wing 3 in some of my statements above Like I said, I score very low on it, but I've felt that I could be underestimating something or something is masking it on the tests (which are imperfect), just like I've felt my not scoring higher on 7 is probably wrong. 6 is something I'll have to look more into, I'm not sure there. 1 and 9 is a very tough call, maybe because I have the wing of one or the other.
Maybe I have balanced wings
I don't think I have the drive of a 3 and I do tend to be more hidden believe it or not. Some pretty vast differences in different realms of life
I misread before but based on your test results it would seem you have stronger sensation than logic, which to me would implicate that you're an ethical subtype. IEI-Fe seems more likely (strengthened Fe, Si, Se, Fi) Harmonic or Creative subtype for whatever value tests are worth. You also scored fairly high as dynamic which is neither EII or IEE. Makes sense based on your scores why it's between EII and IEI. If you want to send me any video/images, it'd help. This is just based on the scores.
My IEI-Fe friend has horrible posture as well. Could have to do with DCNH though.
Send me your videos. IEI's tend to care more about appearance than EII's, generally speaking.
I don't really feel a preference for being either 4w3 or 4w5, they both suck ass to tell you the truth lol.
All right, I'm seeing a ton of support for 4w3, and also 4w5. I feel like the wings have in fact waxed and waned in life too. I'm not sure why I've consistently scored so low on 3 and high on 5. I've gotten 4w5 for years. Social anxiety is probably a huge factor in this, though I don't think it's the only reason. I do have 5 traits. It seems I have certain traits of 5 more strongly and certain traits of 3 more strongly. I'm not sure if this helps in my socionics typing or not, but, there ya go.
Maybe the severe underestimation and lack of drive is related to sp blind. 300 question test taken months ago, if I weren't feeling odd and in a bad mood I might be liable to take it again
@Armalite i may have jumped the gun earlier on your statement, I missed the "high so" part. I believe I'm about half and half on sx/so, very slight sx advantage. I do think your answers and typings have a lot of merit. If I'm 6 or 7 in my tritype, I believe that yes I would likely be the 7w6 or 6w7 variety. My gut is either 1w9 or 9w1 likely, and you're a 4 so you were right on a lot there
I will say I am told I'm very similar to my mom in mannerisms and well, in a ton, and she is undoubtedly high Si and Ne, delta. She also has bad posture lol
I keep trying to settle down and go through the fucking theory and I can't, but I'm getting there, in bits and pieces. Do you guys tend to bounce around with it or do you actually go through it in a linear fashion?
I just added a poll to this post, is it a bad idea to allow multiple choices?
I haven't read the 6 pages already in place but I feel compelled to say that ive gotten a strong IEE impression from you thus far. This is only based on my experiences over time with socionics and people, and I haven't been trying to type you, but after being deep in this shit for years sometimes it be like that. I don't have any reasoning grounded in the text (maybe I could give some post hoc, but don't wanna) and I wouldn't blame you at all if you completely wrote this off for that reason (you probably should), but I figured my two cents shouldn't be secret.
FWIW I type you the same as my best friend (if supervision is bad, I'm a different type) (and I see similarities but je ne sais quoi)
Thank you for your input. Delta, Fi, Ne, all seem very likely. I'm doing the best I can with this brain/my current state to get through the material to type myself because, although it seems like I don't know who the fuck I am (I've wanted to say that a couple times now and blame typology lol), I actually do have a pretty strong sense of self. I underestimate myself a lot, doubt myself, look at many possibilities. I have some sort of developed Fe somehow (and I do feel like it's become stronger in time as social anxiety has lessened in ways and due to life events, growing), but I don't value it the way I value Fi. Ti position feels weird for IEE and Fe position feels weird for EII, but there is a ton I still need to learn so I can't say for certain (I'm trying, but it's hard to focus and I'm bouncing all over the place between the material).
I do have to say, these resonate with me with these VI's (another EII saw my videos and is convinced it's my type). https://www.pinterest.com/typometric...eii-fi-female/ I pretty much wiped SEI off the map because I don't relate to Si in the lead or creative position. I do in other valued positions however.
I've always vibed with Regina Spektor in a couple of her pictures, particularly a couple album photos too and she's getting a lot of EII typings (though I think she's quite possibly SEI, maybe it's something to do with Si or Ne)
A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
(Carl Jung on Si)
The biggest problem is I haven't read enough, I'm trying and it's progressing.
I did try to type myself in the name of research using it in this thread.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
im a cow, sweet
oooo i like that thread you shared Aylen, thanks!
I feel bad having this last until the end of time and focusing so much on myself, but I have to ask.
how much does how you were as a very young child matter in ones typing, because apparently I was wild and fearless, but that changed.
Going to end this thread and post vids in private section later and call it a day. Sorry for dragging this on guys. I am back to IEI (though this morning it was EII Creative, I was sure, then changed my mind again, a couple days ago it was IEE, lol). I have had both beta and delta influence in my upbringing which is part of why I think this is challenging. I think I have strong Fe and Fi. I’m just going to throw up videos, people can vote if they want and I’ll read the fucking material (I consistently bring up my highly challenged Te) and shut the fuck up.
Last edited by thegreenfaerie; 10-31-2019 at 05:34 PM.
If you think this is really funny then you are my dual lol:
My impression is that you are an Fi/Te valuing type, not sure which one though.
It also seems to me that you have strong Fi.
Just my impressions based on posts/chatbox.
all right dudes, idk what to do with these threads lol, @Aylen, wondering if I should merge?
Actually, it may be better to keep as is, I just put an update in the first thread, and I can close the thread as to not drown forum in my typings.
Last edited by thegreenfaerie; 11-02-2019 at 05:54 PM.
That video was like a nightmare in reality LOL