“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I have three 7s and one 9 as core numbers in numerology but they do not sound like enneagram 9 to me. Depending on the position of the 7 it means slightly different things. It is my life path, expression and personality number. The soul number doesn't sound like 6w7 to me. Which descriptions of enneagram do you use most and what makes it sound alike to you? I probably won't respond tonight since I am watching a movie and having dinner now and I am being pushed to get off here.
Last edited by Aylen; 09-13-2019 at 06:39 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Trialectics sounds like a bad attempt to get out of postmodernity. The better way is simply to return to unity. Three is a good number since it turns an unstable figure like a square into a stable one with triangles, but dialectics already have that. I guess a trialectic could mean building tetrahedrons instead of just engaging in "progress" via the dialectic and I've used that concept creatively before, but enneagram doesn't relate to tetrahedrons in any way.
Well then, carry on and don't get lost in there! lol
Cool I have that too, so do some other forum members whose charts I've done. One IEI 4 and one EII-Ne 6. Also a couple others whose charts I don't have on this computer to double check.Yeah, that seems to be the case. I have it as my personality number.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
With regards to Gurdjieff, you have to understand that to him what you are calling the soul was not present in most people. It could only be present in someone who had attainted what he called liberation, everyone else was a machine.
Fourth Way, Gurdjieff's teaching is based on what he identified as three paths found across the world, the way of the Fakir, focused on the physical body and its mastery, the way of the Monk, based on faith and emotion, and the way of the Yogi, focused on the mind. This is where the idea of "three centers" comes from. In Gurdjieff's use of the Enneagram you didn't have a core type, you could be on a different point of the enneagram at different times of day depending on where your attention was focused. His model was to unite the way of the Fakir, Yogi, and Monk in an individual, so that all three centers were balanced and this was called "The Fourth Way to Consciousness". What you are calling the soul here could be what Gurdjieff called Consciousness, the attainment of which was the goal of his teaching. Basically, to unite all three centers would lead you to the top of the pyramid, to borrow your image, but this is not easy work and is not innate or natural in humans.
I don't know what this adds to your topic, but I was reading Gurdjieff earlier and since he was brought up I think its necessary to clarify what his teaching was (in a very superficial manner as I am doing here) since it is important to know the origins of ideas, since they reveal clues to the nature of those ideas. Afterwards you can modify these ideas as you wish, but I think its good to know why they are structued the way they are. For what it's worth.
Last edited by Ave; 09-15-2019 at 09:47 AM. Reason: Had confused the way of the Yogi and the way of Monk, fixed now
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you're missing the point in that the enneagram is a personality theory, which is separate from the "soul". a soul does not have personality traits.
No. Let me educate you. Teeth are the hard, whitey and bitey thingies in your mouth. That is one way of defining an aspect of a person. What what im asking you is how you define the soul.
A definition: 1. state or describe exactly the nature, scope, or meaning of.
2. mark out the boundary or limits of.
This is your lesson of the day.
@maniac , @Remiel, I hope you are not expecting me to do dissertation here and try to convince you of the existence of the soul. I have better things to do. It's just that I consider it self-evident. You don't ? That's your problem, not mine. Btw with these emphasis on definitions you are sounding like alpha types. ILI wouldn't care about this issue.
When I talk about the mind it's a given that I talk about the psychological aspects that are the result of physical neurology, gray matter to you. Neurons fire when they reach action potential, for example. You can't just drop a term like soul and expect everyone to know what you're talking about. Even the term vibe is more concrete.
Also, ending with some pissant attempt to jab at my type aint making you look any better.
I don’t think “soul” is really definable but it would be nice to at least have a rough definition. I think that since there are some “types” of souls that people talk about that could be a starting point. Ex. when someone’s an “old soul” or if someone has, as Ursula would say, a “poor, unfortunate soul”. What I really think people mean to say when they throw around the word “soul”, is someone’s character. Evil, angelic, old, broken, whatever. You’re describing how someone is.
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Tbh, I don't really know what the soul is. I believe it is some sort of invisible thing that processes/carries information, and carries over from one incarnation to the next. It is also our connection to 'source". AkuManiMani said that the soul is the combined motivations and preferences that make up a person, but I believe this has more to do with Fi. The soul I think actually is linked to Ni. Wish I had a better answer but if I'd had discovered what the soul was exactly I would probably have won the Nobel price (or maybe not, given the decline of spirituality of the present age).
The soul I believe is also a sort of "GPS" that guides you towards your destiny and/or deeper desires. In this sense, it is diametrically opposed to " forcing" your way into reality, which is how some types prefer to conduct themselves. In particular I believe the soul is linked with +Ni, which is a function that gamma and delta quadra value (as per model B). So it is reasonable to think that the ones that are less focused on this aspect of reality would be the more "soulless" types. These would be LSI and ESE (who have -Ne/+Ni as PoLR). Note that soulless in this sense does not imply evil or negative in some way; it simply means that these types prefer to follow their own preferences in a down-to-earth way instead of hearing or following the calling of their +Ni (which does not mean that they are exempt from their effects; the fact that you do not value something does not mean that it ceases to exist).
Something I've been observing: another parameter that belongs to each center I believe is Alignment (the D&D style alignment). For instance; someone could be Neutral Good in their Heart Center (as main center), True Neutral in their Head Center (as second center), and Chaotic Evil in their Gut Center (and something else in their soul center). This is experimental for now but I think it's true. It could explain variations and multi-layering of personality.
I would love to hear more theories like this.
Wait, @Number 9 large is a 9 sle’s can be 9’s