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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Alao im mad cuz relationship problems no i dont wanna talk sbout it lol
    Relationships are hard.

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    What on Earth does Aylen have against green? It looks like she's sent her monkeys on my green city she hates it so much.



    Incidentally, I made a green character too, Viridian Green, that I use in writing along with Coeruleum Blue, Cinnabar Red, and other related ones, but they've nothing to do with the Wicked Witch and have a lot to do with green as the color of the environment, nature, growth, and renewal.

     



    There's also an Indigo Blue I use for spacey people, because indigo is used for the color of everything spacey and removed from observat and is actually dull and not very pretty compared to what people think "indigo" is.


     



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    Update:

    I had a decent line of meth and I’m in the zone and clenching my jaw a fuckton
    And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night



    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    Everyone, pls give Bled some likes. He craves the likes much like Suedehead craves the cock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I just know he likes the attention so I am giving it to him.
    This is a great observation!
    And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night



    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    Everyone, pls give Bled some likes. He craves the likes much like Suedehead craves the cock.
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    @Aylen if in some alternate reality you still believed in tritype, do you think 379 is accurate?
    And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night



    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    Everyone, pls give Bled some likes. He craves the likes much like Suedehead craves the cock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Giving a type means taking a stance. People gonna challenge that stance and be in conflict with her. Something she doesnt like.
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    Cuz 9
    I am 9w1 and I do take stances maybe not always but I can be stubborn if I am convinced I am correct

    Not sure why @Aylen didn't decide on a type but I don't think it's because she doesn't like to have conflict with others.
    To me it seems more that she wants him to make his own decision rather than labeling himself based on her own opinion of him. So you can say she doesn't want her opinion to influence him and make him act like that type just because she told him so.
    This is just speculation about her reason but only her know the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Relationships are hard.
    Wise words, glad you're still around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I just know he likes the attention so I am giving it to him.
    I like attention as you probably know but I think when you say it out loud like that the attention lose its effect and it shows your true colors you evil cruel witch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simo View Post
    I like attention as you probably know but I think when you say it out loud like that the attention lose its effect and it shows your true colors you evil cruel witch
    and he thinks hes a 9

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    Yessssssss, I am pure eeeeevil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    Everyone, pls give Bled some likes. He craves the likes much like Suedehead craves the cock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fresh meat View Post
    Update:

    I had a decent line of meth and I’m in the zone and clenching my jaw a fuckton
    why do u feel the need to be high all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    why do u feel the need to be high all the time
    bitch it’s fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    Everyone, pls give Bled some likes. He craves the likes much like Suedehead craves the cock.
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    there's more meaningful things in life than the temporary escape of drugs, given time perhaps you'll realise this. I see that a lot with 7s who get older, looking back on their lives, they seem to regret a lot of it, or end up wiser. perhaps that's positive movement towards 5. I like you though, you seem like a fun guy, core type 7 seems to fit better than 2 IMO. sp-blind? but I do think you're more EIE than SEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armalite View Post
    there's more meaningful things in life than the temporary escape of drugs, given time perhaps you'll realise this. I see that a lot with 7s who get older, looking back on their lives, they seem to regret a lot of it, or end up wiser. perhaps that's positive movement towards 5. I like you though, you seem like a fun guy, core type 7 seems to fit better than 2 IMO. sp-blind? but I do think you're more EIE than SEE.
    sp blind could fit Si polr. but Fe lead standardly fits type 2, not 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    sp blind could fit Si polr. but Fe lead standardly fits type 2, not 7.
    correlation not causation

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    Quote Originally Posted by voider View Post
    correlation not causation
    nigga what

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    nigga what
    It's not difficult to understand
    Correlation does not imply causation. In statistics, the phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    It's not difficult to understand
    Duh but this statement doesnt invalidate MY statement u fucking retard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Duh but this statement doesnt invalidate MY statement u fucking retard
    Oh, but it actually does. Fe lead may "standardly" (implying correlation) fit to type 2, however there is no reason why an EIE especially couldn't be type 7 with their 4D Ne. Not only that but you'd have to take into account their other functions - for example, I'd say type 6 could be a good fit for an ESE as well as type 2. There may be correlations between descriptions of types in each system, but that is all. There will always be outliers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Oh, but it actually does. Fe lead may "standardly" (implying correlation) fit to type 2, however there is no reason why an EIE especially couldn't be type 7 with their 4D Ne. Not only that but you'd have to take into account their other functions - for example, I'd say type 6 could be a good fit for an ESE as well as type 2. There may be correlations between descriptions of types in each system, but that is all. There will always be outliers.
    You have no idea wtf ur talking about so please stfu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    You have no idea wtf ur talking about so please stfu
    What a logical argument you have just made.

    Why you heff to be mad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fresh meat View Post
    @Aylen if in some alternate reality you still believed in tritype, do you think 379 is accurate?
    wait you mean she doesn't believe in tritype anymore? she was the one to recommend it to me, so she doesn't get to change her mind without telling me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    and he thinks hes a 9
    thanks for doubting that I'm a 9 personally I wish I was a 5 or any other type but 9.

    to clarify what I said, I don't like to be the center of attention (group attention) like @fresh meat
    I like a more of a individualized attention (if that's a thing) meaning attention from close people like family and close friends
    I think it's my Fe-seeking

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    What a logical argument you have just made.

    Why you heff to be mad?
    Cant convince retards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Cant convince retards
    Clearly
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Clearly
    Yup

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Clearly
    Go back under ur rock i liked u better that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Go back under ur rock i liked u better that way
    Why are you so upset? Baby want his bottle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fresh meat View Post
    @Aylen if in some alternate reality you still believed in tritype, do you think 379 is accurate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Simo View Post
    I am 9w1 and I do take stances maybe not always but I can be stubborn if I am convinced I am correct

    Not sure why @Aylen didn't decide on a type but I don't think it's because she doesn't like to have conflict with others.
    To me it seems more that she wants him to make his own decision rather than labeling himself based on her own opinion of him. So you can say she doesn't want her opinion to influence him and make him act like that type just because she told him so.
    This is just speculation about her reason but only her know the truth
    It is true I no longer use tritype but I think it is useful for narrowing down types. I would probably still recommend it to those who are unsure so they can narrow it down to the top three most probable. Then go from there to narrow down further. Most who use tritype no longer use the core theory which includes integration/disintegration and all the health levels because tritype uses a different framework. It got very diluted when I used it since the information was covered in core theory already. I just didn't find it as helpful. I was into it for at least a couple years on here before giving it up.

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    The problem with "EIE 7" is the concept of Type 7 – it strongly contradicts with Ej temperament or any other temperament except for Ep, for that matter. The assertiveness, capriciousness etc of 7 only fits Ep properly. So even if you make a case for 4D Ne, you cannot take away the fact that EIE is Ej, with more stable energetic levels than p. And 7s are anything but "stable" (personality-wise), typically. And even if you argue that EIEs are unstable due to their "emotionality"/Fe, that still contradicts with 7 on some level, because 7s are not primarily driven by emotions, which cancels out Ethics lead (and once again, points at Perceiving lead).

    If you believe in the validity of both Enneagram and Jungian typology, then you'd have to conclude that if "fresh meat" is predominately Type 7, that has to mean he must be an Ep type. If you conclude he is predominately an EIE, then you'd be pressed to type him as a 2.

    Personally, I see way more evidence for 7 > 2, his drug escapades are rather typical of unhealthy Sexual 7 behaviour. (I still haven't seen any strong signs for Type 2.)
    So SEE 7 with Sp blindspot (which can also work well with Si ignoring) makes the most sense for me atm.

    Also, tying that into his disregard for future consequences. Sure, you can argue he is young and that's why he acts this way, but even so I find it quite untypical of an EIE to throw themselves in such poorly thought-out situations, nilly-willy. That contradicts my understanding of Ni ego, Ti valuing, and Ep vs Ej temperament. That kind of behaviour is rather typical of rebellious SEE > SLE and some xSI individuals with Se subtype. But that's just me and my take on it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    The problem with "EIE 7" is the concept of Type 7 – it strongly contradicts with Ej temperament or any other temperament except for Ep, for that matter. The assertiveness, capriciousness etc of 7 only fits Ep properly. So even if you make a case for 4D Ne, you cannot take away the fact that EIE is Ej, with more stable energetic levels than p. And 7s are anything but "stable" (personality-wise), typically. And even if you argue that EIEs are unstable due to their "emotionality"/Fe, that still contradicts with 7 on some level, because 7s are not primarily driven by emotions, which cancels out Ethics lead (and once again, points at Perceiving lead).

    If you believe in the validity of both Enneagram and Jungian typology, then you'd have to conclude that if "fresh meat" is predominately Type 7, that has to mean he must be an Ep type. If you conclude he is predominately an EIE, then you'd be pressed to type him as a 2.

    Personally, I see way more evidence for 7 > 2, his drug escapades are rather typical of unhealthy Sexual 7 behaviour. (I still haven't seen any strong signs for Type 2.)
    So SEE with Sp blindspot (which can also work well with Si ignoring) makes the most sense for me atm.

    Also, tying that into his disregard for future consequences. Sure, you can argue he is young and that's why he acts this way, but even so I find it quite untypical of an EIE to throw themselves in such poorly thought-out situations, nilly-willy. That contradicts my understanding of Ni ego and Ep vs Ej temperament. But that's just me and my take on it.
    I mean does type 2 even really fit with EIE and Fe-. Type 2, to me, seems very Fe+.
    Also, the saying is "willy-nilly"
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I mean does type 2 even really fit with EIE and Fe-. Type 2, to me, seems very Fe+.
    Also, the saying is "willy-nilly"
    Yeah Type 2 descriptions mostly describe ESEs, that's why. Most 2s are ESEs because there are more ESEs than EIEs, on average. (That's my interpretation of it at least.)

    People use both + and - of their lead (and probably also demonstrative, aka the strongest functions). It can be situational, some EIEs might use +Fe more often around certain types that value it. I've seen myself using more -Ni around my SEE sis, for example. Though in my case it is also a bit more conscious to be fair.

    You can argue for -Fe and 2 through the connection with Type 8.

    And... oops I am not a native speaker so sometimes i slip up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Yeah Type 2 descriptions mostly describe ESEs, that's why. Most 2s are ESEs because there are more ESEs than EIEs, on average. (That's my interpretation of it at least.)

    People use both + and - of their lead (and probably also demonstrative, aka the strongest functions). It can be situational, some EIEs might use +Fe more often around certain types that value it. I've seen myself using more -Ni around my SEE sis, for example. Though in my case it is also a bit more conscious to be fair.

    You can argue for -Fe and 2 through the connection with Type 8.

    And... oops I am not a native speaker so sometimes i slip up
    If the correlation (Which still doesn't equal causation) is so strong and rigid, then that surely renders enneagram pointless. Why have 2 systems that just tell you the same thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    If the correlation (Which still doesn't equal causation) is so strong and rigid, then that surely renders enneagram pointless. Why have 2 systems that just tell you the same thing?
    What would convince you of causation?

    I think we can agree that Enneagram and Jungian typology focus on different aspects in your psychology. Jungian is more about how the brain operates and Enneagram is more about your drives, motivations, psychological hindrances etc. Both of which are strongly connected with each other. For instance, introverts won't develop a 7-like pattern and psychological hindrances or occupations, because they both cancel each other out. It is like saying people can be "ambiverted". But sure, there are people who make cases for ambiversion. But then you fall out of the Jungian frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    What would convince you of causation?

    I think we can agree that Enneagram and Jungian typology focus on different aspects in your psychology. Jungian is more about how the brain operates and Enneagram is more about your drives, motivations, psychological hindrances etc. Both of which are strongly connected with each other. For instance, introverts won't develop a 7-like pattern and psychological hindrances or occupations, because they both cancel each other out. It is like saying people can be "ambiverted". But sure, there are people who make cases for ambiversion. But then you fall out of the Jungian frame.
    To be convinced of causation I would need to see A) Statistics showing that everyone of a certain sociotype is a certain enneagram type and B) That it is due to their sociotype and not other factors.

    I don't think falling out of the Jungian fram would necessarily be a bad thing though. If anything, we certainly don't use the original Jungian frame now - I don't see why people in this community seem to have such an aversion to break away from "muh original Jung"
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    Type 7 is not the only type prone to drug abuse which is also written into the profiles regarding health level and disintegration. This one is just based on Riso/Hudson. Most of the books mention drug addictions for several types. It also has a genetic and environmental component.

    If you are sheltered most of your childhood/teens, like some people, the opportunity to experiment or be pressured into drug or alcohol use was not much an issue. Some of these people ended up having alcohol problems later in life once they were on their own because they had been so sheltered. I have been around a lot of addicts, personality is not the common link between them since some were calm quiet introverts and other were angry and spiteful extroverts. I am not willing to say someone is a 7 just based on that. I would suggest they look deeper when they have some time clean. Alcohol and drugs can make people act like a 7 or an 8 for sure like taking risks they wouldn't normally. Starting fights, walking bridge rails or climbing up on rooftops.

    Since this is @fresh meat's thread I think this discussion can be thoroughly discussed in enneagram subforum if anyone wants to continue it.

    The Addictive Personality:
    Disorders by Enneagram Type

    Don't know your Enneagram Type?
    While the Enneagram is a powerful tool for transformation, transformational work is not possible for those actively abusing addictive medications, alcohol, or controlled substances. Those suffering from substance abuse problems must become "sober" on a regular basis before they can sustain any in-depth inquiry into their true nature. Abuse and neglect make it almost impossible to develop the sensitivity and attention necessary to observe oneself with any clarity.

    Fortunately, there are many resources available to support the addictive personality in breaking free of various forms of addictions, including books, workshops, support groups, therapy, and even inpatient care. The Enneagram is not a substitute for those resources, but combined with them, can be extremely helpful in understanding the roots of the addictive personality.

    All nine Enneagram personality types can have any kind of addiction, and all nine types can be codependent. We find some tendencies toward certain addictions in the Enneagram types, however, and offer the following correlations as a beginning guideline. They are not all-inclusive and are not intended to be a complete discussion of this complex problem. Note also that the addictions and disorders listed below apply not only to each Enneagram personality type, but also each type's Direction of Disintegration.

    The following material is taken from The Wisdom of the Enneagram (pages 350-352), and is offered as a preliminary study of which addictive behaviors and other imbalances coincide with each personality type. These observations are not meant to be all-inclusive or to complete, only that they are a useful starting place for studying this important application of the Enneagram.

    Be sure, however, that you or someone else you are applying this information to is correctly typed. You can take the scientifically validated Riso-Hudson Enneagram Type Indicator (RHETI Version 2.5) on this website. Also, be aware that the types connected by a line on the Enneagram from your basic personality type may also show up in your own pattern of addictions, imbalances, and substance abuse.
    Eating Disorders & Addictions of the Types

    Type 1 The Reformer

    Excessive use of diets, vitamins, and cleansing techniques (fasts, diet pills, enemas). Under-eating for self-control: in extreme cases anorexia and bulimia. Alcohol to relieve tension.

    Type 2 The Helper

    Abusing food and over-the-counter medications. Bingeing, especially on sweets and carbohydrates. Over-eating from feeling "love-starved." Hypochondria to look for sympathy

    Type 3 The Achiever

    Over-stressing the body for recognition. Working out to exhaustion. Starvation diets. Workaholism. Excessive intake of coffee, stimulants, amphetamines, cocaine, steroids or excessive surgery for cosmetic improvement.

    Type 4 The Individualist
    Over-indulgence in rich foods, sweets, alcohol to alter mood, to socialize, and for emotional consolation. Lack of physical activity. Bulimia. Depressants. Tobacco, prescription drugs, or heroin for social anxiety. Cosmetic surgery to erase rejected features.

    Type 5 The Investigator

    Poor eating and sleeping habits due to minimizing needs. Neglecting hygiene and nutrition. Lack of physical activity. Psychotropic drugs for mental stimulation and escape, narcotics for anxiety.

    Type 6 The Loyalist

    Rigidity in diet causes nutritional imbalances ("I don't like vegetables.") Working excessively. Caffeine and amphetamines for stamina, but also alcohol and depressants to deaden anxiety. Higher susceptibility to alcoholism than many types.

    Type 7 The Enthusiast

    The type most prone to addictions: stimulants (caffeine, cocaine, and amphetamines), Ecstasy, psychotropics, narcotics, and alcohol but tend to avoid other depressants. Wear body out with effort to stay "up." Excessive cosmetic surgery, pain killers.

    Type 8 The Challenger

    Ignore physical needs and problems: avoid medical visits and check-ups. Indulging in rich foods, alcohol, tobacco while pushing self too hard leads to high stress, strokes, and heart conditions. Control issues central, although alcoholism and narcotic addictions are possible.

    Type 9 The Peacemaker

    Over-eating or under-eating due to lack of self-awareness and repressed anger. Lack of physical activity. Depressants and psychotropics, alcohol, marijuana, narcotics to deaden loneliness and anxiety.
    http://personaldevelopmentinstitute.com/addictions.htm
    How Personality Increases Risk of Drug Abuse

    People with certain personality traits may at increased risk for drug use problems, and studying personality may help researchers better understand and treat these problems, according to a new review.

    Many studies have attempted to link genes to the condition researchers call substance use disorder, but they've largely failed to do so, even though the condition can run in families, said Dr. Sergi Ferré, a senior scientist and section chief at the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

    That may be because the connection between genes and substance use is not straightforward, and personality traits may serve as a bridge between the two, Ferré said. Personality traits have already been linked with the risk of having substance use disorder, and with certain circuits in the brain.

    "We should [have] many more studies trying to connect those personality traits and genes," Ferré said. "They will allow us to get better clues about the genetic and other factors that predispose to SUD," Ferré said, referring to substance use disorder.

    Once researchers understand, from a brain perspective, why people develop drug use problems, they may be able to develop drug treatments that reverse these effects, the researchers said.

    Risky personalities

    For example, people with introverted personalities, and who tend to have fewer positive feelings, or be attracted to rewards in life, are more likely to abuse drugs, according to the new review. In contrast, extroverted people who have more positive emotions are less likely to abuse drugs.

    One reason for this may be that people with more positive emotions and who are extroverted are more sensitive to all kinds of rewards — be it rewards from social situations, winning a game, or getting a promotion — and these other rewards "compete" with the positive feelings that can come with using a drug, Ferré said. On the other hand, people with low positive emotionality/extroversion have less interest in other rewards, and are more easily pulled in by the effects of the drug, Ferré said.

    A second personality trait linked with substance abuse is negative emotionality/neuroticism, or the tendency to experience negative feelings, such as anxiety and depressed mood, and respond poorly to stressors. People with substance use disorder, and other mental health disorders, often have high levels of this personality trait.

    "A person that is very sensitive to punishment finds, in drugs, something that allows them to escape," Ferré said.

    Finally, low levels of a trait known as constraint, which is the ability to stop a behavior or action once you start it, is also linked with an increased risk of substance abuse.

    The researchers stressed that whether people abuse drugs depends on many factors, not just their genes and personality, but also their environment and past drug use.

    Better treatments

    Several brain circuits have been linked with the personality traits that people who develop drug problems tend to have. For example, people with low levels of positive emotions have fewer receptors for the brain chemical dopamine, which is linked with feelings of reward and pleasure. And people with fewer dopamine receptors are less sensitive to the chemical's effects, which would explain the tendency of drug users to have little interest in rewards besides drugs.

    People may be born with fewer dopamine receptors than others, but drug use can also lower their numbers, possibly affecting personality and making people less extroverted, as well as increasing the risk for drug abuse.

    "Drugs, they change our personality, unfortunately in the direction in making us more vulnerable to SUD," Ferré said.

    A better understanding of the brain circuits linked with these risky personality traits, as well as the genes that control the brain circuits, may lead to new treatments for drug users.

    "Understanding the brain systems that determine these personality traits will allow us to work on these systems pharmacologically and change them in the direction that make a person more resilient," so they can resist drug abuse, Ferré said.

    Ferré and colleagues recently reviewed the link between personality traits and substance use disorder in the April issue of the journal Trends in Cognitive Sciences.

    Follow Rachael Rettner @RachaelRettner. Follow Live Science @livescience, Facebook & Google+. Original article on Live Science.

    https://www.livescience.com/44851-pe...rder-risk.html

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    What matters is how someone uses drugs, what for, what kind etc etc.

    I find alcohol attracts the widest array of types and is mostly connected to an unhealthy SP instinct.
    But specific drugs like weed tend to attract more people with an unhealthy 9 and/or anxious 6 connection (core/wing/fix), for example.

    Based on his stories... his escapades are rather typical of 7 (if not core type, then at least wing or strong fix) and/or Se lead, including him running away and all the other crazy experiences he is into, but fair enough.

    I personally know of people who grew up in the same restrictive household, but they all reacted differently to the same environment due to their personality.
    For example, the Se ego ran away on impulse (for a short time), the introvert planned the "escape" more strategically.

    Sure, drugs alter your behaviour in a way... But your poison of "choice" (just a phrase, it is not a conscious choice obviously) is typically connected to a dysfunctional aspect in your personality, for which there are at least strong correlations IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    What matters is how someone uses drugs, what for, what kind etc etc.

    I find alcohol attracts the widest array of types and is mostly connected to an unhealthy SP instinct.
    But specific drugs like weed tend to attract more people with an unhealthy 9 and/or anxious 6 connection (core/wing/fix), for example.

    Based on his stories... his escapades are rather typical of 7 (if not core type, then at least wing or strong fix) and/or Se lead, including him running away and all the other crazy experiences he is into, but fair enough.

    I personally know of people who grew up in the same restrictive household, but they all reacted differently to the same environment due to their personality.
    For example, the Se ego ran away on impulse (for a short time), the introvert planned the "escape" more strategically.

    Sure, drugs alter your behaviour in a way... But your poison of "choice" (just a phrase, it is not a conscious choice obviously) is typically connected to a dysfunctional aspect in your personality, for which there are at least strong correlations IMO.
    He could be engaging too recklessly in his HA, thus making it a Fe/Se loop, just like an ESTP would have a Se/Fe loop, hence why ur seeing 7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    He could be engaging too recklessly in his HA, thus making it a Fe/Se loop, just like an ESTP would have a Se/Fe loop, hence why ur seeing 7
    Hmm fair enough. But if this extreme “loop” behaviour continues for more than a year (if not months), without seeing much of (“balanced”) Intuition and Ni creative behavior, then he must be an S type after all. Because extreme “loops” come in bursts, they aren’t static. If a guy is continuously using strong Se and Fe, that usually means he’s ESFx after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    The problem with "EIE 7" is the concept of Type 7 – it strongly contradicts with Ej temperament or any other temperament except for Ep, for that matter. The assertiveness, capriciousness etc of 7 only fits Ep properly. So even if you make a case for 4D Ne, you cannot take away the fact that EIE is Ej, with more stable energetic levels than p. And 7s are anything but "stable" (personality-wise), typically. And even if you argue that EIEs are unstable due to their "emotionality"/Fe, that still contradicts with 7 on some level, because 7s are not primarily driven by emotions, which cancels out Ethics lead (and once again, points at Perceiving lead).

    If you believe in the validity of both Enneagram and Jungian typology, then you'd have to conclude that if "fresh meat" is predominately Type 7, that has to mean he must be an Ep type. If you conclude he is predominately an EIE, then you'd be pressed to type him as a 2.

    Personally, I see way more evidence for 7 > 2, his drug escapades are rather typical of unhealthy Sexual 7 behaviour. (I still haven't seen any strong signs for Type 2.)
    So SEE 7 with Sp blindspot (which can also work well with Si ignoring) makes the most sense for me atm.

    Also, tying that into his disregard for future consequences. Sure, you can argue he is young and that's why he acts this way, but even so I find it quite untypical of an EIE to throw themselves in such poorly thought-out situations, nilly-willy. That contradicts my understanding of Ni ego, Ti valuing, and Ep vs Ej temperament. That kind of behaviour is rather typical of rebellious SEE > SLE and some xSI individuals with Se subtype. But that's just me and my take on it all.
    I actually have to agree that 7 is Ep temperament exclusive

    so far im thinking SEE 7 is the best type for me

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