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[Olimpia]

What matters is how someone uses drugs, what for, what kind etc etc.

I find alcohol attracts the widest array of types and is mostly connected to an unhealthy SP instinct.
But specific drugs like weed tend to attract more people with an unhealthy 9 and/or anxious 6 connection (core/wing/fix), for example.

Based on his stories... his escapades are rather typical of 7 (if not core type, then at least wing or strong fix) and/or Se lead, including him running away and all the other crazy experiences he is into, but fair enough.

I personally know of people who grew up in the same restrictive household, but they all reacted differently to the same environment due to their personality.
For example, the Se ego ran away on impulse (for a short time), the introvert planned the "escape" more strategically.

Sure, drugs alter your behaviour in a way... But your poison of "choice" (just a phrase, it is not a conscious choice obviously) is typically connected to a dysfunctional aspect in your personality, for which there are at least strong correlations IMO.

[Number 9 large]

What matters is how someone uses drugs, what for, what kind etc etc.

I find alcohol attracts the widest array of types and is mostly connected to an unhealthy SP instinct.
But specific drugs like weed tend to attract more people with an unhealthy 9 and/or anxious 6 connection (core/wing/fix), for example.

Based on his stories... his escapades are rather typical of 7 (if not core type, then at least wing or strong fix) and/or Se lead, including him running away and all the other crazy experiences he is into, but fair enough.

I personally know of people who grew up in the same restrictive household, but they all reacted differently to the same environment due to their personality.
For example, the Se ego ran away on impulse (for a short time), the introvert planned the "escape" more strategically.

Sure, drugs alter your behaviour in a way... But your poison of "choice" (just a phrase, it is not a conscious choice obviously) is typically connected to a dysfunctional aspect in your personality, for which there are at least strong correlations IMO.

He could be engaging too recklessly in his HA, thus making it a Fe/Se loop, just like an ESTP would have a Se/Fe loop, hence why ur seeing 7

[Olimpia]

He could be engaging too recklessly in his HA, thus making it a Fe/Se loop, just like an ESTP would have a Se/Fe loop, hence why ur seeing 7

Hmm fair enough. But if this extreme “loop” behaviour continues for more than a year (if not months), without seeing much of (“balanced”) Intuition and Ni creative behavior, then he must be an S type after all. Because extreme “loops” come in bursts, they aren’t static. If a guy is continuously using strong Se and Fe, that usually means he’s ESFx after all.

[Number 9 large]

Hmm fair enough. But if this extreme “loop” behaviour continues for more than a year (if not months), without seeing much of (“balanced”) Intuition and Ni creative behavior, then he must be an S type after all. Because extreme “loops” come in bursts, they aren’t static. If a guy is continuously using strong Se and Fe, that usually means he’s ESFx after all.

Anybody can get addicted to drugs for a looong time. You know Russell Brand did the same thing being on drugs since his teens well over in his 30s years of his life before finally (you type him ENFP but i type him ENFJ also like maso along with same enneagram) giving up on his heroin addiction. Its got nothing to do with being high on S so ur little theory of "if ur on drugs for over a year ur a sensor" is fucking bullshit. EVERYBODY can get sucked up into it. (Although maybe its more common in Se valuers).

And i still stand by my case that Ti polrs CANNOT be 7s (esp not 7w6, which is ILE, almost the opposite of SEE)

Tell me how can an alpha NT have the same enneagram as gamma SF? Thats like saying ESI can be 5w6 like an LII because of ij temperament (both superegos to eachother)
even tho ESI uses a goddamn feeling function all the time. 5w6s THINK, they dont FEEL. (As a general rule of thumb bladeebla you know what i mean)

Youre completely disregarding ego functons and the whole stacking and valued functions of the quadra and just looking at temperament and ur doing it wrong.

+ any temperament can get hooked on drugs. Drugs arent illegal for no reason, its because theyre so fucking addictive and ruin lives

[QueenTiger666]

Tell me how can an alpha NT have the same enneagram as gamma SF?

because they measure different things lol.

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because they measure different things lol.

Different socionics types having the same enneatype is like taking a different spin on an enneatype, which is exactly what instinctual variants do too.

Also, I feel like there’s too much individuality within every sociotype (ex. too many differences between how people with the same set of functions behave despite clearly having those functions) for them all to be one specific enneatype with a specific wing like n9 thinks. But I can also see where he’s coming from, too.

[QueenTiger666]

Different socionics types having the same enneatype is like taking a different spin on an enneatype, which is exactly what instinctual variants do too.

Also, I feel like there’s too much individuality within every sociotype (ex. too many differences between how people with the same set of functions behave despite clearly having those functions) for them all to be one specific enneatype with a specific wing like n9 thinks. But I can also see where he’s coming from, too.

Also there are only 16 sociotypes whereas with wings there are 18 enneagram types. And yeah, n9 clearly hasn't grasped the fact that people have more wiggle room than he seems to think.

[Number 9 large]

because they measure different things lol.

They measure one thing. Personality

[QueenTiger666]

They measure one thing. Personality

This statement shows you haven't studied it in depth. Lol.

[Olimpia]

Anybody can get addicted to drugs for a looong time. You know Russell Brand did the same thing being on drugs since his teens well over in his 30s years of his life before finally (you type him ENFP but i type him ENFJ also like maso along with same enneagram) giving up on his heroin addiction. Its got nothing to do with being high on S so ur little theory of "if ur on drugs for over a year ur a sensor" is fucking bullshit. EVERYBODY can get sucked up into it. (Although maybe its more common in Se valuers).

And i still stand by my case that Ti polrs CANNOT be 7s (esp not 7w6, which is ILE, almost the opposite of SEE)

Tell me how can an alpha NT have the same enneagram as gamma SF? Thats like saying ESI can be 5w6 like an LII because of ij temperament (both superegos to eachother)
even tho ESI uses a goddamn feeling function all the time. 5w6s THINK, they dont FEEL. (As a general rule of thumb bladeebla you know what i mean)

Youre completely disregarding ego functons and the whole stacking and valued functions of the quadra and just looking at temperament and ur doing it wrong.

+ any temperament can get hooked on drugs. Drugs arent illegal for no reason, its because theyre so fucking addictive and ruin lives

The drug thing is just one example of his general lifestyle. I never said only 7s get addicted to drugs. His overall profile of being excitement/chaos seeking and energetic and positive is rather typical of 7 and/or Ep temperament.

Se and Ne can represent the two sides of 7. The hedonism aspect is often more Se-like, indulging in exciting and YOLO lifestyles to escape (if average to unhealthy). Many SEEs are known for primarily living in the moment, being party animals. They often get mistyped as SLE, but their understanding of social dynamics and graces is more sophisticated, being SF. Compare Jimmy Tatro (SEE-Se 7w8) with Dane Cook (SLE-Se 7w6). The Ne 7 is more conceptual, more concerned with ideas and either innovative theory or morals, like Neil deGrasse Tyson vs Russell Brand (IMO).

Oprah is a classic EIE 2w3 imo, but you type her as SEE ironically

Well Enneagram is a bit different, it doesn’t have dichotomies like Jungian typology. Same with instincts, you can have people in the same Quadra with opposing instinctual stackings, or people of opposite Quadras with the same stackings.

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Oprah is a classic EIE 2w3 imo, but you type her as SEE ironically

yes bitch, expose him!!!!

(and, she is)