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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinoche View Post
    she will probably type herself soon
    lol accurate

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    you can type people when they are 3 years old. I think there's enough information to type her.

    https://daserste.ndr.de/annewill/vid...unberg100.html

    an english interview with her. "I'm a realist, I see facts"

    she doesn't want to go to school because climate change is threatening our very existence, and it doesn't seem like we are even remotely capable of preventing it. I find Greta extremly inspiring, and it's sad that this young and intelligent girl is one of the few ray of hopes for this planet.
    waiting for greta thunberg to talk about geoengineering.jpg

    you are full of it, I don't buy the "I am stupid part" you want communism, climate change is your tool

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    lol not caring about "facts" is a cultural suicide, of course anyone is going to care about facts.

    You don't even need to understand anything in order to know facts, you just have to "trust"! Trust in some authority, such as a scientist, telling you that such a fact is true and accurate. No personal understanding is required.

    In fact, over-reliance on "facts" is low-logic, high-trust. I'm sure this is more complex than something that has to do with Te/Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero11 View Post
    waiting for greta thunberg to talk about geoengineering.jpg

    you are full of it, I don't buy the "I am stupid part" you want communism, climate change is your tool
    Yeah, of course, we all want communism. Caring about climate is just a tool that will lead us to a glorious, red era, kinda like in 1984. Who knows, maybe we orchestrate it, just to make sure the time will come.

    As we all know, wanting to avoid a mass-extinction event is just one step away from communism. And communism is BAD.


    (Fighting climate change with geoengineering - which is a relatively new thing - with its unforeseen consequences? That's almost like burning a lot of coal and thinking "hmm, nothing will happen", but, like, worse. Although we know our planet is warming, we are really just starting to kinda understand what happens in the air and oceans, and our prediction models are still somewhat basic; Earth constitutes a complicated, chaotic system, and you don't know what will happen when you press some buttons "with a good faith")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    lol not caring about "facts" is a cultural suicide, of course anyone is going to care about facts.

    You don't even need to understand anything in order to know facts, you just have to "trust"! Trust in some authority, such as a scientist, telling you that such a fact is true and accurate. No personal understanding is required.

    In fact, over-reliance on "facts" is low-logic, high-trust. I'm sure this is more complex than something that has to do with Te/Fi.
    "Scientists" are not just "some personal authority". We all about big data and meta-analyses now; it's as close as you can get to "being objective". Please (I highly recommend you to) read Karl Popper and his theory of "three worlds" (a very important piece on contemporary philosophy of science; if you didn't read it). Yes, in socionics and alike ethical types can be too trusting with "facts"; but it's not like a Te dom wouldn't say that. It's not like a Te dom wouldn't trust science (especially when you have a consensus and so much proof), as (assuming they have received adequate education) they understand what science is (its uses, limitations, so on). High Te just gives you more awareness and meta-awareness, I guess; it's more natural and in much higher doses.

    That is, I still think ESI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I type Trump SEE. If anyone wants to understand why they will have to wade through the sea of posts in the Trump thread. STs are not the only low intuition types according to socionics. Trump is an emotional diva prone to temper tantrums. If he were a woman I doubt as many people would think to type him with logic in his ego. Maybe we will find something to agree on someday.

    Not to mention there are plenty of STs who are concerned with climate change.
    Agreed. I think trump Is a good example of ti polr. He contradicts himself everytime he speaks. There is no logical consistency in anything he says.

    He won the presidency by relying on his charisma and debating skills. His debating skills mostly consisted of using his stage presence around the non se base men he was debating and bullying them with it until he controlled the stage. Then against Hillary it was a bit more complex due to the russians and emails but he himself stuck with a similair debate style. Even started the whole "lock her up" catchphrase and all this button pushing bully like behavior.

    He is a good example of an unhealthy se base. I am open to a debate as to why someone would beleive he is SLE but I think See and also 3w2 makes the most sense

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    If she's autistic then that could throw a wrench in the works. I know an autistic ILE who likes routine and predictability, and who isn't interested in pursuing new ideas unless they're proven to work under all imaginable scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    If she's autistic then that could throw a wrench in the works. I know an autistic ILE who likes routine and predictability, and who isn't interested in pursuing new ideas unless they're proven to work under all imaginable scenarios.
    Heh. Ne is like opposite of autism as in meaning of the word. Autism as in word means honing in the surroundings in self submerged state like looking patterns in environment such as spinning wheels (= dysfunctional Ip + extra strong Ni with logic). Things have come long way and pseudoscience called psychiatry might even map Ne and every other function to autism. Sometimes things such as dysfunctional cognitive brain anomaly should be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    If she's autistic then that could throw a wrench in the works. I know an autistic ILE who likes routine and predictability, and who isn't interested in pursuing new ideas unless they're proven to work under all imaginable scenarios.
    Lol my ILE bf is somewhat like this but also very non-autistic in many ways, in the way Heretic 007 described. It's a kind of interesting contradiction. I guess everybody has contradictions in them to a degree anyway though in order to be balanced. Like LII can be a Ti nerdlord but also really Fe social too. I can be a Se meatlord but also Ni philosophical and self-aware, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesn View Post
    "Scientists" are not just "some personal authority". We all about big data and meta-analyses now; it's as close as you can get to "being objective". Please (I highly recommend you to) read Karl Popper and his theory of "three worlds" (a very important piece on contemporary philosophy of science; if you didn't read it).
    ...You must not have properly read Popper, because that is exactly the opposite of Popperian epistemology.

    I didn't say scientists were a "personal" authority, they're considered to be THE authority in our current cultural climate. Of course, science has never been about authority, and most scientists don't claim to have any authority. That's why science is about experiments, reproducibility and checks-and-balances in the form of peer-review (which all means that they don't exactly rely on trusting the authority of some certain scientists).

    The point is that people like to rely on authority of any kinds. That is due to our culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesn View Post
    Yes, in socionics and alike ethical types can be too trusting with "facts"; but it's not like a Te dom wouldn't say that. It's not like a Te dom wouldn't trust science (especially when you have a consensus and so much proof), as (assuming they have received adequate education) they understand what science is (its uses, limitations, so on). High Te just gives you more awareness and meta-awareness, I guess; it's more natural and in much higher doses.

    That is, I still think ESI.
    Yes, I said that it's neither "F" nor "T". It's about blindly trusting something without having any personal understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    It's a kind of interesting contradiction. I guess everybody has contradictions in them to a degree anyway though in order to be balanced. Like LII can be a Ti nerdlord but also really Fe social too. I can be a Se meatlord but also Ni philosophical and self-aware, etc.
    They're not actually contradictions. The fact is that people can basically do or think in any possible ways, because the fundamental laws of the universe allows them to. They can be emotional, logical, abstract, sensory, whatever. There are no limitations.

    Incidentally, the exact same logic is applied to computers, and that's why we can basically program anything onto a computer and even create robots or potentially Artificial General Intelligence (not "AI", which is specific and limited intelligence). It's just a matter of knowing how to. We didn't first observe a bunch of different kinds of computers, add them up all together and then somehow created the ultimate universal computer. No, what we did instead was that we simply assumed that there are certain laws in this universe that allows physical objects to be able to calculate virtually anything that the physical objects can calculate. That could be a CPU, or that could be a brain. It makes no difference either way (you can read this up on Turing-Church principle).

    So Greta Thunberg here obviously has the ability to be both emotional and logical. But people like squark will only see a few seconds of snippet of her being emotional, and then assumes that she is always emotional, or even mostly emotional, or even completely lacks logical abilities somehow. That is not only catastrophically wrong in so many ways (ironically, this observation itself is very irrational), but also inhumane in denying her rational abilities and possibilities. The fact is that she is capable of being all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    They're not actually contradictions. The fact is that people can basically do or think in any possible ways, because the fundamental laws of the universe allows them to. They can be emotional, logical, abstract, sensory, whatever. There are no limitations.

    Incidentally, the exact same logic is applied to computers, and that's why we can basically program anything onto a computer and even create robots or potentially Artificial General Intelligence (not "AI", which is specific and limited intelligence). It's just a matter of knowing how to. We didn't first observe a bunch of different kinds of computers, add them up all together and then somehow created the ultimate universal computer. No, what we did instead was that we simply assumed that there is are certain laws this universe that allows physical objects to be able to calculate virtually anything that the physical objects can calculate. That could be a CPU, or that could be a brain. It makes no difference either way (you can read this up on Turing-Church principle).

    So Greta Thunberg here obviously has the ability to be both emotional and logical. But people like squark will only see a few seconds of snippet of her being emotional, and then assumes that she is always emotional, or even mostly emotional, or even completely lacks logical abilities somehow. That is not only catastrophically wrong in so many ways (ironically, this observation itself is very irrational), but also inhumane in denying her rational abilities and possibilities. The fact is that she is capable of being all.
    How do you define differences between people then, Singu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    ...You must not have properly read Popper, because that is exactly the opposite of Popperian epistemology.

    I didn't say scientists were a "personal" authority, they're considered to be THE authority in our current cultural climate. Of course, science has never been about authority, and most scientists don't claim to have any authority. That's why science is about experiments, reproducibility and checks-and-balances in the form of peer-review (which all means that they don't exactly rely on trusting the authority of some certain scientists).

    The point is that people like to rely on authority of any kinds. That is due to our culture.
    I think you did misunderstood me. I do know Popper does consider authority to be just a fallacy, and I do agree with him; and science isn't about authority. But then, I think I misunderstood you - when you were using that "personal authority" thing and I've thought you are somewhat serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    But people like squark will only see a few seconds of snippet of her being emotional, and then assumes that she is always emotional, or even mostly emotional, or even completely lacks logical abilities somehow.
    I didn't type her based on emotion. I typed her based on what she said and her approach to the issue. Not sure why I'm bothering responding though, as I think you're kind of an idiot.

    The only thing I mentioned regarding emotion was how she controlled/manipulated it and her timing - pausing dramatically after her first statement, rising her emotion and bringing it back down. But her father is an actor, her mother an opera singer, and performing for an audience can be learned. Something very telling though is that the way she gets what she wants - it's through guilt and it's always been through guilt. She talks about how she changed her parent's views by making them feel guilty. That's her method. Use emotion (guilt) to get other people to do what you want. Quote statistics and show them charts to back you up, but do everything you can to play on their guilt until they give in. This is why I typed her as Te/Fi ethical.

    When she started crying - so did I, it's a human empathy reaction, but listening to her speak as soon as she started on the "how dare you" and blah blah blah all the guilt-trip nonsense, no. Emotion is human, not type-related. Manipulating people by using emotion is something else.

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    Singu is just caught up with trying to deny the obvious reality that people have natural talents/strengths and weaknesses particular to them, to the point where he thinks we all basically have carbon copies of our hardwiring inside us and we're only defined by our experiences, if even that, because we can all do literally anything equally, including things like shooting fireballs outside of our asses.

    Probably butthurt still as an adult over some early experiences where people told him he sucked at certain things and then he magnified it and internalized it forever.

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    ILI with lots of mobilizing-Fi behavior, in need of correction, this is just behavior of a spoiled kid that happens to have weak Fi and Fe. How convenient for the psychology professionals that we can label such behavior as an asperger/autism disorder and make money of that, and how convenient for Greta that she can hide behind the same diagnosis. She needs a slap in the face, just like all unhealthy ILIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    I didn't type her based on emotion. I typed her based on what she said and her approach to the issue. Not sure why I'm bothering responding though, as I think you're kind of an idiot.
    Says the biologist who believes in creationism, lol. Your entire worldview is contradictory, and yet think of yourself as being so logical, and don't even realize it when you're being irrational.

    So much for a "logical" type.

    You've judged her rational/logical ability from watching a fucking 2 second clip of her being emotional. You should just admit that this is irrational as hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    The only thing I mentioned regarding emotion was how she controlled/manipulated it and her timing - pausing dramatically after her first statement, rising her emotion and bringing it back down. But her father is an actor, her mother an opera singer, and performing for an audience can be learned. Something very telling though is that the way she gets what she wants - it's through guilt and it's always been through guilt. She talks about how she changed her parent's views by making them feel guilty. That's her method. Use emotion (guilt) to get other people to do what you want. Quote statistics and show them charts to back you up, but do everything you can to play on their guilt until they give in. This is why I typed her as Te/Fi ethical.

    When she started crying - so did I, it's a human empathy reaction, but listening to her speak as soon as she started on the "how dare you" and blah blah blah all the guilt-trip nonsense, no. Emotion is human, not type-related. Manipulating people by using emotion is something else.
    You can obviously be both "emotionally manipulative" and logical at different times.

    This is not hard to understand, but it is if you're into Socionics, apparently.

    She did say that she "guilted" her parents and her family into caring about climate change so you may have a point, but this makes no difference because pretty much anyone can use guilt for their purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Singu is just caught up with trying to deny the obvious reality that people have natural talents/strengths and weaknesses particular to them
    The fact is that people do not differ in their ability to be rational and logical. It doesn't matter how emotional or irrational you have been at certain points. If they differ, then it's just a matter of speed in which they do it. This is not about being "PC", it's a fact.

    By the same logic, you can upload a video of you being emotional, and then judge that you must lack logic, even if that actually makes no sense at all.

    Again, so much for "T types"...

    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    to the point where he thinks we all basically have carbon copies of our hardwiring inside us and we're only defined by our experiences, if even that, because we can all do literally anything equally,
    That's exactly what computers fundamentally are.

    There are literally no fundamental differences in computers. All computers, including computers using vacuum tubes, punch cards, transistors, silicones... they're all functionally exactly the same. If they differ, then they're just differences in speed and memory.

    So it's just a matter of knowing how to program certain things. In humans, it's the same way - it's only a matter of knowing how. And obviously people can learn anything, as well as teach anything to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    The fact is that people do not differ in their ability to be rational and logical. It doesn't matter how emotional or irrational you have been at certain points. If they differ, then it's just a matter of speed in which they do it. This is not about being "PC", it's a fact.

    By the same logic, you can upload a video of you being emotional, and then judge that you must lack logic, even if that actually makes no sense at all.

    Again, so much for "T types"...
    Wtf lol. That's exactly what a scale in ability is. Skill is another word for ability. If it takes you 10 months to build a house and another person 1 week max, then you have different levels of ability for building a house.


    That's exactly what computers fundamentally are.

    There are literally no fundamental differences in computers. All computers, including computers using vacuum tubes, punch cards, transistors, silicones... they're all functionally exactly the same. If they differ, then they're just differences in speed and memory.

    So it's just a matter of knowing how to program certain things. In humans, it's the same way - it's only a matter of knowing how. And obviously people can learn anything, as well as teach anything to others.
    You are trying to compare humans to computers as if they are exactly the same. Okay, then. I'll leave you be. Don't put your finger in the socket, Singu. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Wtf lol. That's exactly what a scale in ability is. Skill is another word for ability. If it takes you 10 months to build a house and another person 1 week max, then you have different levels of ability for building a house.
    Sure, but quality and speed are different things.

    Somebody may suck at building a house and it may take a long time to build one, but he/she may find creative ways of building a house that makes it take a much shorter amount of time.

    In fact, that's exactly what humans did. They found creative ways of shortening the amount of time required to building a house.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    You are trying to compare humans to computers as if they are exactly the same. Okay, then. I'll leave you be. Don't put your finger in the socket, Singu. lol
    Computers use silicones, brains use neurons. Hardware wise, they're exactly the same. It's just what's programmed into it that's different. And computers depend on the assumption that virtually anything that can be physically programmed, can be programmed. There is no such thing that says "Humans can do this, but computers can't". Both humans and computers are "Turing complete", which means that they're both exactly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Sure, but quality and speed are different things.

    Somebody may suck at building a house and it may take a long time to build one, but he/she may find creative ways of building a house that makes it take a much shorter amount of time.
    Or not, or they'll build something and it'll fall apart after a month or be unlivable in. What you're saying though points to my point anyway. People have different skills in different things, period.

    Computers use silicones, brains use neurons. Hardware wise, they're exactly the same.
    What the shit is this LOL. You're a silly cone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Or not, or they'll build something and it'll fall apart after a month or be unlivable in. What you're saying though points to my point anyway. People have different skills in different things, period.
    Yeah, no. Somebody may find such a way, and then they can teach that knowledge to others, and then others will have the exact same knowledge.

    Again, the difference is only in speed. Even IQ tests only measure speed, not inherent ability. Somebody may take 10 years, another may only take 1 year. But what they're doing is exactly the same, the difference is only in speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Says the biologist who believes in creationism, lol. Your entire worldview is contradictory, and yet think of yourself as being so logical, and don't even realize it when you're being irrational.

    So much for a "logical" type.

    You've judged her rational/logical ability from watching a fucking 2 second clip of her being emotional. You should just admit that this is irrational as hell.
    Don't be so rude to squark lol. So much for an ethical type u are, Dingu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Yeah, no.
    No what, Dingu?

    Somebody may find such a way, and then they can teach that knowledge to others, and then others will have the exact same knowledge.
    .... Why is it that some people figure things out to be the first ones to teach others, and others never do for specific things?

    Again, the difference is only in speed. Even IQ tests only measure speed, not inherent ability. Somebody may take 10 years, another may only take 1 year. But what they're doing is exactly the same, the difference is only in speed.
    This is like saying that a dead person and an alive person are the same. The only difference is the speed at which the alive person is taking to reach the dead state.

    If anyone ever needed proof Dingu is IEI, here it is. @Alonzo etc

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    @Singu, here's another very short piece of writing you'll never read: LINK

    Many biologists that I've known have been agnostic, some have been theists, some have been atheists. But atheism is by nature a closed-view, it's a denial, a refusal, and also takes faith whereas agnostics remain open to having their minds changed. Agnosticism is more in line with scientific thinking in general, so I'd expect that to be the most common view. Having faith does not make a person's worldview contradictory however, especially if they recognize that it is faith. (The theists tend to be able to recognize that it's faith, the atheists deny it heh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    .... Why is it that some people figure things out to be the first ones to teach others, and others never do for specific things?
    The point is that it's a matter of creativity, not a matter of intelligence, which we don't know how we do it yet.

    This is why you have "Socionician dystopia" where you have people separated by types and quadras, or basically castes.

    Thankfully in real life, people receive more or less the same education, because there is an assumption that everyone has the same ability in being able to learning something. Sure some people may be "smarter" in that they may learn things faster, or they may have different interests, but that has nothing to do with the inherent ability in being able to learn something.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    This is like saying that a dead person and an alive person are the same. The only difference is the speed at which the alive person is taking to reach the dead state.
    Again, I said the difference is only in the speed in which people do it, not the inherent ability.

    Here you have a "Ti type" who is being absolutely illogical and irrational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Thankfully in real life, people receive more or less the same education, because there is an assumption that everyone has the same ability in being able to learning something.
    I think this is actually a very bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I think this is actually a very bad thing.
    It's only bad if you think that assumption is false.

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    It's only bad if you think that assumption is false.
    This is a false assumption and a waste of time. Why waste time teaching a kid Shakespeare when he loves to build birdhouses, get that kid on a work site.

    The idea that everyone must be taught this wonderful varied liberal arts education and that it is somehow more fulfilling than learning real-life skills is a bourgeois concept trickled down into modern ideology.

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    Greta is not the leader of a movement, she is the mascot.

    How is her UN speech not Fe in use? I don't know if she's actually autistic, but if she is then it is even more odd for her to use such emotion. She's very loud (mouthy), very present in popular culture, and very sure of her ethical righteousness. What type does this sound like?

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    ILI's are very capable of pouring out their Fe in very non suitable manner.
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    @Heretic007 I think that the Fe seemed very appropriate however and very effective.

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    I still think that her speech had nothing to do with Fe, but was more a display of strong Fi (which is the activating function of ILI). Fi judges others, while Fe tries to emotionally excite people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I still think that her speech had nothing to do with Fe, but was more a display of strong Fi (which is the activating function of ILI). Fi judges others, while Fe tries to emotionally excite people.
    That's right, but there is a relation between the two: most of the time, heavy use of the mobilizing function implicitly involves violations related to the PoLR function. Thunberg's over-the-top use of Fi is a strong violation of Fe-related aspects, i.e. it breaks down social relationships (in which Fe plays an important role as cement), and as such is actually a danger to getting things accomplished. The arrogant self-righteous attitude of Thunberg in the long run will have the effect of more and more people turning against her, and possibly of working to the advantage of climate-sceptics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    That's right, but there is a relation between the two: most of the time, heavy use of the mobilizing function implicitly involves violations related to the PoLR function. Thunberg's over-the-top use of Fi is a strong violation of Fe-related aspects, i.e. it breaks down social relationships (in which Fe plays an important role as cement), and as such is actually a danger to getting things accomplished. The arrogant self-righteous attitude of Thunberg in the long run will have the effect of more and more people turning against her, and possibly of working to the advantage of climate-sceptics.
    and @soundofconfusion

    EIE can be an extremely divisive person, and Fi is sacrificed for the sake of Fe. The "HOW DARE YOUUU!!!" nonsense is very beta Fe, and her acting like a poor little child missing school and so over fraught for the world is victim behavior. As to her "arrogant self-righteous attitude" that's all too dependent on who you ask, to others she's brave and heroic.

    To me She is extremely pompous I saw her in a video with Micheal Moore and she totally believes she belongs on stage as a sort of equality to all these famous people, but that's not democratic behavior. Someone who feels as if they belong on stage is likely aristocratic. I see through that "aww shucks I'm just your typical teenage girl" act.

    Here's the video:



    An ILI as an activist would not open with the words she chose, they would immediately roll into facts and figures with not one worry whether anyone knows or cares about what they're talking about. Half the room would be on their phones, the other half would be utterly confused as to what she was talking about, everyone would be very anxious for her to be finished speaking. The whole speech would never make it on TV, and the video of the speech (that would end up being more like a lecture) would be found with only a few hundred views.

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    IMO

    beta Fe is more like, "We will rise above their petty attempts to destroy us! We will be victorious!"

    --or in the context of someone talking about climate change--

    "The power is within each of us to make a change. It all depends on us to save the climate, to prevent disaster. We are facing a time unheard of in the world, the time to act is now, and the actions of each of us in this room, and each of us throughout the world will be the tipping point. I call upon the inventors to invent, each citizen to conserve, carpool and share resources as we all work together. Together we can make the difference, and with the help of this committee I'm addressing, the elected leaders assembled here today, we can overcome all the challenges before us. But we must act now. Our futures depend on it, our children's futures, and this time will be remembered throughout history. We will pull through this and make a mark in the history books we can be proud of if we all play our parts."

    Okay, sorry, got a little caught up there pretending to be a political speechwriter, but you get the point. It's a message of we are going to beat this thing down if we act now. NOT "You are destorying my future. How dare you! I won't forgive you. You bad bad people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    The point is that it's a matter of creativity, not a matter of intelligence, which we don't know how we do it yet.

    This is why you have "Socionician dystopia" where you have people separated by types and quadras, or basically castes.

    Thankfully in real life, people receive more or less the same education, because there is an assumption that everyone has the same ability in being able to learning something. Sure some people may be "smarter" in that they may learn things faster, or they may have different interests, but that has nothing to do with the inherent ability in being able to learn something.



    Again, I said the difference is only in the speed in which people do it, not the inherent ability.

    Here you have a "Ti type" who is being absolutely illogical and irrational.
    You know what? I think your posting quality has decreased lately.

    You shouldn't just be this shameless about how dumb you come across. At least try to improve yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    That's right, but there is a relation between the two: most of the time, heavy use of the mobilizing function implicitly involves violations related to the PoLR function. Thunberg's over-the-top use of Fi is a strong violation of Fe-related aspects, i.e. it breaks down social relationships (in which Fe plays an important role as cement), and as such is actually a danger to getting things accomplished. The arrogant self-righteous attitude of Thunberg in the long run will have the effect of more and more people turning against her, and possibly of working to the advantage of climate-sceptics.
    We’ve already been doing nothing for the past century. I doubt somehow Thunberg is going to be the reason we do nothing this century.
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    I think it's good that children have greta to look up to, since their idealism might result in their parents contemplating the consequences of their actions. the problem with climate change is that it's still a very abstract threat for most people, and most humans sadly seem to only deal with things when they are directly affected by it. at least the children are realising that they are going to have a very bad future if we don't do anything now.

    regarding greta saying that older people are destroying her future: I think it's more than fair. I'm 27 and I already think it's quite unethical to bring a child into this world. I can't judge a 16 year old girl for showing a lot of idealism without coming up with immediate solutions. she's basically mostly saying "listen to the scientists, don't fuck up my future". sadly we're imo so deep into capitalism and "economic growth" that it's very unlikely that any change will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    We’ve already been doing nothing for the past century. I doubt somehow Thunberg is going to be the reason we do nothing this century.
    Probably not, but she will make a great excuse for climate sceptics. Apart from all that, I think Thunberg, why probably thinks she's fantastatic, is a one issue person focusing on the wrong cause, because even if climate is saved, she and most of her generation will live in societies of labor-slaves.

    This is also why I personally do not care about climate change anymore: climate change is a fact and a serious issue, but why should I (who has only 30 years more to live) care if my government, and all other governments around the western world, are reorganizing societies in such a way (neoliberalism) that people like me, who still have decent jobs but increasingly less control over our own lives and thus securities, do not (within reason) know if I'm able to pay my rent in five years from now? Why should I care about the future in 2060 when even tomorrow is uncertain, when the possibility to plan my life (within reason) are increasingly being taken away from me? Young people should be worried about their economic future first, that is the dream and future being destroyed which proverbial Thunbergs should be worried about in the first place! But she isn't, and 30 years from now she might understand how silly she was, haven fallen for a temporary social construct (the idea that climate change is the most important issue for young people) and haven taken it as a fact.
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