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    What Americans really need to fix many of their problems is socialized health care, but like who wants to pay for the free loading bums down the street amirite??

    Like way better to like pay 7000 dollars a year in Insurance Deductables premiums than it would be to pay $49/ 3months. Like, why pay less when you can pay more!!!?

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    it's the capitalist motto lol, why pay less when you can pay more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Except that it's the universal rights and laws that protect women from violence, and not the supposed "heroic" spouse of a marriage or whatever, which the feminists fought for as recently as in the 1970s and 1980s. Which is why a woman is still beaten by their own spouses every nine seconds in the US.

    You seem to have a fairy-tale view of men and women, where all these good and heroic men on white horses bravely protect women. #NotAllMen, of course, but reality and history paints a different picture, where much of it has been that of violence, cruelty, hypocrisies and injustices. No wonder that women had been oppressed for thousands of years of our history.
    You are the one in the fairy tale, who do you think enures that those wonderful "universal rights" are enforced and followed. Men who are able to apply force on those that can't comply, ie dominance, ie the very thing you're against.

    Who else can stop those men from beating their wives? Not women.
    Who can stop "oppressing" women? Only men, that's why women have been liberated at the behest of men by your own account of history.

    All the rights women the have been afforded to them are given to them and enforced by men; feminism itself relies on the beneficence of the male gender to act in a certain moral way.

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    Gun control is the one area I express solidarity with right-wing libertarians. Ten-fold times the amount of people die from other preventable causes like drug related deaths and shitty hospital care (my own dad even contracted Hep-C because of idiot doctors who gave him bad blood) yet even freaks out over gun deaths just because its scary and sensational, much in the same way shark attacks are. If a 100 or so more people must die a year in this country of 330 million people so we can how the liberty to own guns, then so fucking be it. People died by thousands a day in WW1 and WW2, and yet here we are today getting hysterical over petty outbreaks of violence. Fuck authoritarianism, fuck capitalism, fuck all forms of control.

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    You are the one in the fairy tale, who do you think enures that those wonderful "universal rights" are enforced and followed. Men who are able to apply force on those that can't comply, ie dominance, ie the very thing you're against.

    Who else can stop those men from beating their wives? Not women.
    Who can stop "oppressing" women? Only men, that's why women have been liberated at the behest of men by your own account of history.

    All the rights women the have been afforded to them are given to them and enforced by men; feminism itself relies on the beneficence of the male gender to act in a certain moral way.
    This is why I think the overall direction is a positive one because the enlightenment of consciousness regarding this issue has spread to both genders. We are more than just animals, which is the whole point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Gun control is the one area I express solidarity with right-wing libertarians. Ten-fold times the amount of people die from other preventable causes like drug related deaths and shitty hospital care (my own dad even contracted Hep-C because of idiot doctors who gave him bad blood) yet even freaks out over gun deaths just because its scary and sensational, much in the same way shark attacks are. If a 100 or so more people must die a year in this country of 330 million people so we can how the liberty to own guns, then so fucking be it. People died by thousands a day in WW1 and WW2, and yet here we are today getting hysterical over petty outbreaks of violence. Fuck authoritarianism, fuck capitalism, fuck all forms of control.

    Exactly. American Exceptionalism in a nutshell. You are not the ideal, which is where true freedom lies. Don't forget that. Doesn't a parent control their unruly child? Maybe the issue is not about control, its about trust. Cue "Storm Area 51".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    You are the one in the fairy tale, who do you think enures that those wonderful "universal rights" are enforced and followed. Men who are able to apply force on those that can't comply, ie dominance, ie the very thing you're against.

    Who else can stop those men from beating their wives? Not women.
    Who can stop "oppressing" women? Only men, that's why women have been liberated at the behest of men by your own account of history.

    All the rights women the have been afforded to them are given to them and enforced by men; feminism itself relies on the beneficence of the male gender to act in a certain moral way.
    It's like you're un-ironically expressing patriarchal views and justifying subjugation of women.

    It's this exact kind of idiotic obsession with needing men to come on top and dominate women that is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Gun control is the one area I express solidarity with right-wing libertarians. Ten-fold times the amount of people die from other preventable causes like drug related deaths and shitty hospital care (my own dad even contracted Hep-C because of idiot doctors who gave him bad blood) yet even freaks out over gun deaths just because its scary and sensational, much in the same way shark attacks are. If a 100 or so more people must die a year in this country of 330 million people so we can how the liberty to own guns, then so fucking be it. People died by thousands a day in WW1 and WW2, and yet here we are today getting hysterical over petty outbreaks of violence. Fuck authoritarianism, fuck capitalism, fuck all forms of control.
    the rest of the "developed world" allows guns too, uhuh. it's just better not to sell guns over mail to everyone, you need to show you're capable of owning a gun to own one.

    https://time.com/4965022/deadliest-m...ng-us-history/

    the growth of mass shootings grew exponentially after Trump made it so easy for all to buy guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    It's like you're un-ironically expressing patriarchal views and justifying subjugation of women.

    It's this exact kind of idiotic obsession with needing men to come on top and dominate women that is the problem.
    Did you grow up with brothers or sisters? Or are you an only child. I'm sensing you are an only child. Nothing wrong with that, just seems to lack some unconscious knowledge at the level of frame work. Goes without saying sort of dealio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    It's like you're un-ironically expressing patriarchal views and justifying subjugation of women.

    It's this exact kind of idiotic obsession with needing men to come on top and dominate women that is the problem.
    Yes, I thought I made that apparent that I have patriarchial views. It's not about a need for men to be on top, they just are in situations of force and dominance because it differs to their strengths. Women are authorites in elements of life and men are authorites in others. I'm not talking about intellectual fields or even professional ones, I'm talking about gender roles.

    Women need a good man in their life that will give their children to be happy and fulfilled. That is politically incorrect but it's true just look at how those spinsters treat their pets like the children they never had.


    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    This is why I think the overall direction is a positive one because the enlightenment of consciousness regarding this issue has spread to both genders. We are more than just animals, which is the whole point here.
    I agree with this, but I was making a point about the need for a dominating masculine force to ensure ideology is being followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    the rest of the "developed world" allows guns too, uhuh. it's just better not to sell guns over mail to everyone, you need to show you're capable of owning a gun to own one.

    https://time.com/4965022/deadliest-m...ng-us-history/

    the growth of mass shootings grew exponentially after Trump made it so easy for all to buy guns.
    The truth is that not every mass shooter has mental illness problems. They will still occur with backgrounds checks or not (whether they happen less is besides the point), and there will inevitably be people who freak out again and push for even more restriction. Assault rifles and background checks are the frontline in this gun control war. Conceding those to gun control activist means puts you in a position to lose even more the next time something happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    The truth is that not every mass shooter has mental illness problems. They will still occur with backgrounds checks or not (whether they happen less is besides the point), and there will inevitably be people who freak out again and push for even more restriction. Assault rifles and background checks are the frontline in this gun control war. Conceding those to gun control activist means puts you in a position to lose even more the next time something happens.
    America , the place where just being born ensures your right to own an Assault Rifle. In my country, gun ownership is an earned right. If you behave as an adult, you take the programs, you earn your right to own an assault weapon. Same as a driver's license. Its not complicated.

    The issue is trust. You don't trust your own Government and its systems. So you are willing to shoot yourself in your own foot over it. By all means, give the children a gun. Even as your communities fall apart from the inside out.

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    The only foolproof manner of preventing mass shootings in America (foregoing radical changes in societal structure) is to remove every single firearm and to prevent any others from coming in through the black market. Practically impossible. Gun control rhetoric is partly an idealistic fantasy and partly an attempt to de-fang a restless population.

    Also this whole discussion should be moved to another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    The only foolproof manner of preventing mass shootings in America (foregoing radical changes in societal structure) is to remove every single firearm and to prevent any others from coming in through the black market. Practically impossible. Gun control rhetoric is partly an idealistic fantasy and partly an attempt to de-fang a restless population.

    Also this whole discussion should be moved to another thread.
    You are right. Its to hard. Just continue as is. Should sort itself out. Be real, guys. Get your Walmart Guns and hopefully these mass murders will stop. When things are hard the best thing to do is to stop trying to change it for the better. To much effort and just not possible. For sure these copy cat mass murders will stop if just given enough time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    The truth is that not every mass shooter has mental illness problems. They will still occur with backgrounds checks or not (whether they happen less is besides the point), and there will inevitably be people who freak out again and push for even more restriction. Assault rifles and background checks are the frontline in this gun control war. Conceding those to gun control activist means puts you in a position to lose even more the next time something happens.
    the truth say otherwise, people who commit such murders are very far from mentally healthy, and in most school shootings they're underage. that means there's no background check at all, just to ensure that those gun companies sell sell sell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Well your language is pretty much laced with dominance, which is the "kill or be killed" kind of mentality. We should kill all men, castrate them, neutralize them, etc. This is the kind of language that regularly goes on in all-male, testosterone filled discussions. Which is why they have paranoia that feminism is a secret cabal of women that is plotting to kill all men, and that it's about supremacy and dominance. Which is a pure male projection, of course.

    The fact is that no, females rarely use that kind of language, and they rarely talk of killing or exterminating a group of people in the way that men do. And so, is it any wonder that they do not go on killing people or committing genocides?



    The only difference is whether they have access to guns, or not. This is one of the solutions, of course, but it doesn't solve the root problem. Which is why women are frequently assaulted, raped, murdered, etc, if they reject sexual advances by men, etc. Which is again, about dominance.
    So what do you propose we do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    The only foolproof manner of preventing mass shootings in America (foregoing radical changes in societal structure) is to remove every single firearm and to prevent any others from coming in through the black market. Practically impossible. Gun control rhetoric is partly an idealistic fantasy and partly an attempt to de-fang a restless population.

    Also this whole discussion should be moved to another thread.
    I can see where both sides are coming from with the gun issue, but I hate how emotionally driven it is. Where one side overhypes gun control as this seamless and perfect solution to mass shootings and gun violence. When it is clear that they will still continue, but to a lesser extent. While the other side tries to undermine gun control as pointless because of loopholes with the black market or knives or cars that are used as weapons. When it is evident that gun control can reduce mass shootings and gun violence.

    The truth is both arguments are correct because gun control is a heavily nuanced issue that requires a combination of the right amount of stricter gun laws and the right amount of external societal changes. Pushing too much or too little for one or the other will likely cause more harm than good. I am not going to pretend that I know the exact solutions to this problem, but looking at this issue logically rather than emotionally and attacking it from different angles rather than just one can go a long way to solving it in an effective manner IMO.
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    recipe against mass shootings: give a gun to everyone, preach the decay of modern society, treat people like they're shit.

    that's gonna work

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    recipe against mass shootings: give a gun to everyone, preach the decay of modern society, treat people like they're shit.

    that's gonna work
    yes

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    Republicans will push for gun control when Leftists and Black people start forming armed militias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    The only foolproof manner of preventing mass shootings in America (foregoing radical changes in societal structure) is to remove every single firearm and to prevent any others from coming in through the black market. Practically impossible. Gun control rhetoric is partly an idealistic fantasy and partly an attempt to de-fang a restless population.

    Also this whole discussion should be moved to another thread.
    Or its about preventing one person from mowing down 30 people in one minute. I don't know seems pretty cut and dry. If you can't handle killing machine toys, you don't get to play with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Republicans will push for gun control when Leftists and Black people start forming armed militias.
    Oh, man, this is so true.

    This actually happened in 1967. Members of the Black Panther party started carrying loaded guns on the street. They would listen in on police band radios and would show up with loaded, open carry weapons at the scene of police arrests in their neighborhoods. Republicans immediately started sponsoring gun control legislation.

    It has always been about who has the guns.
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    The real kicker is that you love this.


    You love the pageantry, you don't want it to change. You want this huge spectacle, for many reasons. This is what you want. You want carnage in the streets and you want the government dead locked on it.

    You want the scenes and the tears and you want the rallies and you want the division. You want Red Vs Blue and you all inside love every bit of it. Top down Government, bottom up anarchy. Conspiracy and Shadow puppets. This is exactly what you've wanted and what began as a rally cry against an oppressive Imperial Government has manifested a dozen generations later and you can't get enough of it.

    We always reincarnate into the reasons of why we hate ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    Who else can stop those men from beating their wives? Not women.
    A woman who can taze you up the ass should be able to.

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    I think that violence will always be associated with masculinity, and masculinity will always be glorified in powerful countries (how else would they have become dominant and powerful), especially in the West, and in the US. I don't see the common touch there changing anytime soon, except perhaps in some more left-leaning states. If you're living in a first world country and truly worried about this shit though, hm, idk that's a pretty pathetic use of life. Consider moving, and exercise your Darwinistic capitalist rights. Economy speaks whilst your regurgitated e-pinion is nothing but a silent, odorless digital queef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Oh, man, this is so true.

    This actually happened in 1967. Members of the Black Panther party started carrying loaded guns on the street. They would listen in on police band radios and would show up with loaded, open carry weapons at the scene of police arrests in their neighborhoods. Republicans immediately started sponsoring gun control legislation.

    It has always been about who has the guns.
    If the Black Panthers were still around I'd bet that there'd be half as much violence in black ghettos, and of course that's where the majority of gun violence is in America. Their implosion was nearly inevitable, but they knew what their communities needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    Yes, I thought I made that apparent that I have patriarchial views. It's not about a need for men to be on top, they just are in situations of force and dominance because it differs to their strengths. Women are authorites in elements of life and men are authorites in others. I'm not talking about intellectual fields or even professional ones, I'm talking about gender roles.

    Women need a good man in their life that will give their children to be happy and fulfilled. That is politically incorrect but it's true just look at how those spinsters treat their pets like the children they never had.

    I agree with this, but I was making a point about the need for a dominating masculine force to ensure ideology is being followed.
    Well you're the exact kind of person that will start to abuse, threat, harass, assault, rape and even murder women, the moment they start acting independently on their own and deviating from your control. Because this is what it's about: it's about control of women. That is its logical premise.

    You think that you ought to control women, and if you can't control them, then there's something wrong with the world.

    Violence against women, or even violence in general, is about controlling the other person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I can see where both sides are coming from with the gun issue, but I hate how emotionally driven it is. Where one side overhypes gun control as this seamless and perfect solution to mass shootings and gun violence. When it is clear that they will still continue, but to a lesser extent. While the other side tries to undermine gun control as pointless because of loopholes with the black market or knives or cars that are used as weapons. When it is evident that gun control can reduce mass shootings and gun violence.

    The truth is both arguments are correct because gun control is a heavily nuanced issue that requires a combination of the right amount of stricter gun laws and the right amount of external societal changes. Pushing too much or too little for one or the other will likely cause more harm than good. I am not going to pretend that I know the exact solutions to this problem, but looking at this issue logically rather than emotionally and attacking it from different angles rather than just one can go a long way to solving it in an effective manner IMO.
    Conservatives here who want to protect their gun rights are all just tampon-waving women pretending to have penises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    If the Black Panthers were still around I'd bet that there'd be half as much violence in black ghettos, and of course that's where the majority of gun violence is in America. Their implosion was nearly inevitable, but they knew what their communities needed.
    First off, let's be clear > the Black Panthers did not seek to protect themselves from "themselves" but from race based police brutality; and through armed "force" they sought a black empowerment that would alleviate high unemployment, substandard housing, and exclusion from political representation, top universities, and the "American Dream"--all the ills directly and indirectly responsible for the "ghettos" and "violence" in the first place. You are right that they knew precisely what their communities needed, freedom from white supremacy. Now how about we focus more on the underlying illness and not just the symptoms? Interesting how you're perfectly capable of looking "beyond the surface" for pasty incels and mass murderers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    who cares what message your culture sends? are you a slave of your culture?
    Technically, we all are. Much like we all have a "god" whether we like it or not. So to do we have a "culture" whether we like it or not. The most pertinent question we must ask in life is not whether or not we have a master, but rather, which master is most worthy of our devotion and unquestioning service?

    Answer me that question, for research purposes .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    If the Black Panthers were still around I'd bet that there'd be half as much violence in black ghettos, and of course that's where the majority of gun violence is in America. Their implosion was nearly inevitable, but they knew what their communities needed.
    To be clear, the Black Panthers didn’t exactly implode. Their leaders were shot to death by police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    America , the place where just being born ensures your right to own an Assault Rifle. In my country, gun ownership is an earned right. If you behave as an adult, you take the programs, you earn your right to own an assault weapon. Same as a driver's license. Its not complicated.

    The issue is trust. You don't trust your own Government and its systems. So you are willing to shoot yourself in your own foot over it. By all means, give the children a gun. Even as your communities fall apart from the inside out.
    For the record, I'm not militantly against background checks that are truly reasonable. But I'm aware to know that this is a perpetual tug of war. Say tougher backgrounds get implemented, and then down the road another shooting happens which will happen eventually. You think the gun control crowd is going to stand down? No, they'll get hysterical again and push for even further restriction. After guns it will be knives, after knives it will be whatever random object that could be considered a weapon. Japan and few other countries are already at that point.

    Also I don't see what trust has to do with anything. I'm not conspiratorial nutjob like Alex Jones who thinks the government is putting chemicals in the water to make people gay. But authoritarian governments do in fact come about time and time again and we are starting to see that in the west again with people like Trump, and simply put I want the ability to participate in a civil war were one to ever occur. And we it really comes down it, I really just like going down to the range with my AR15 and pumping off some shots semi-auto. I'm not going to let some snowflakes stop me from doing that.
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    I didn't think this was possible. Fat and angry or thin and docile.... I've never seen or even heard of any woman go to a bar and struggle as far as companionship was concerned.

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    There are women who can't have sex with exactly who they deem attractive enough to wanna have sex with. I think that's what incels are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deprecator View Post
    I didn't think this was possible. Fat and angry or thin and docile.... I've never seen or even heard of any woman go to a bar and struggle as far as companionship was concerned.
    trust me women like this struggle to get laid (at least by the men they fancy)



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    ^ I was in a bar and a woman like this propositioned me. I turned her down. Man, was she pissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    First off, let's be clear > the Black Panthers did not seek to protect themselves from "themselves" but from race based police brutality; and through armed "force" they sought a black empowerment that would alleviate high unemployment, substandard housing, and exclusion from political representation, top universities, and the "American Dream"--all the ills directly and indirectly responsible for the "ghettos" and "violence" in the first place. You are right that they knew precisely what their communities needed, freedom from white supremacy. Now how about we focus more on the underlying illness and not just the symptoms? Interesting how you're perfectly capable of looking "beyond the surface" for pasty incels and mass murderers.
    I know that, I've read what Huey Newton and George Jackson had written. The Black Panthers weren't exactly subtle in their intentions and who their enemies were.

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    Is there something wrong with requiring safety training before owning a gun―or is that already a thing in the United States?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Is there something wrong with requiring safety training before owning a gun―or is that already a thing in the United States?
    In the US, "Gun Safety Training" means keeping your guns safe from being stolen.

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    Anyway, we require safety training before operating a car or heavy machinery, and those are just as necessary for fighting a war.

    I followed the Syrian civil war pretty closely, and the destruction of bulldozers was a really big deal. A bulldozer is one of the most important pieces of machinery for urban warfare; it can remove rubble, dig defensive earthworks, and, filled with explosives, can be driven into enemy lines by a suicide bomber.

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