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    Default Expanded IM's (+/-) and music

    So I've attempted to match each expanded IM to a musical score, with the aim of developing understanding of the theory outlined here. Try to pay attention not so much to the lyrics (but they can also be relevant if present), but to the overall vibe that the song transmits. I've tried to get examples as "pure" as possible (since most music is a combination of various IM's at the same time). Remember that:

    +Fi - Delta Fi
    -Fi - Gamma Fi

    +Fe - Beta Fe
    -Fe - Alpha Fe

    +Ti - Beta Ti
    -Ti - Alpha Ti

    +Te - Delta Te
    -Te - Gamma Te

    +Se - Gamma Se
    -Se - Beta Se

    +Ni - Gamma Ni
    -Ni - Beta Ni

    +Ne - Alpha Ne
    -Ne - Delta Ne

    +Si - Alpha Si
    -Si - Delta Si

    And they are combined in the following manner (meaning the IM is actually a combination of both +/-, introverted/extroverted elements, and neighboring quadras share/value the combined element, although giving precedence (normally) to the valued particular expanded IM).

    Code:
    -Se/+Si
    +Se/-Si
    -Te/+Ti
    +Te/-Ti
    -Ni/+Ne
    +Ni/-Ne
    -Fe/+Fi
    +Fe/-Fi
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Fi


    -Fi


    +Fe


    -Fe
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Ti


    -Ti


    +Te



    -Te
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Se


    -Se


    +Si


    -Si
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Ni


    -Ni


    +Ne


    -Ne
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    -Fi with +Fi




    +Se with + Ni (and some -Te)

    Last edited by mclane; 08-29-2019 at 04:30 PM.
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    I enjoyed this thread, wonder why there's been no replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairda View Post
    I enjoyed this thread, wonder why there's been no replies.
    I mostly post stuff on this subforum for the lurkers, in case somebody from some institute in ukraine or russia etc is researching this stuff, in case they decide to roll with it.
    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    -Fe with +Fe (and some +Se)

    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Ti with +Fi and +Ni:

    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    Pure +Se/-Si

    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    You definitely got everything that has Se in it right. Especially Fe+Se for the Skyrim theme. It's one of my faves!!

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    Pure +Ni/-Ne:

    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    -Ni with +Si (and some +Fi/-Fe)

    Heart > Head > Gut >
    Soul
    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    Pure +Ne/+Ni



    Gremlins are the quintessence of +Ne

    ETA: I think they are also -Ne (lots of Ne), and -Se (except Gizmo. Gizmo being the only good gremlin is probably EII).
    Last edited by mclane; 09-25-2019 at 05:49 PM.
    Heart > Head > Gut >
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    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Se:


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    +Fi and -Fi:



    (this is a very Fi music)

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    -Si



    This is death metal. Anything related to "death" has to do with the -Si element. It belongs to the Delta quadra, which is the last quadra of the progression and corresponds to the "old age". Even though this element is introduced in gamma quadra, it peaks in delta quadra. If the music also contains an element of "anger", that is -Fe/+Fi. A "hatred" element; -Fi/+Fe.
    Last edited by mclane; 10-16-2019 at 02:14 AM.

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    Somebody posted this on the shoutbox. It is a great example of LII-Ti music; it combines a -Ti structured element with a +Ne electronic element, under an over-arching +Ni melancholy element. Great track.
    Heart > Head > Gut >
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    LIE-Ni (mongoose-unicorn-leopard-eagle mix)) EII-Fi (dolphin) SEE-Se (dragon) ILI-Te (phoenix)
    4w3 (swan) 5w6 (owl) 8w9 (bear) 9w1 (griffin)
    sx/sp (tiger) sp/so (dolphin) sx/sp (tiger) so/sp (dog)
    Neutral Good True Neutral Chaotic Evil Pure Chaotic
    ELVF VLEF VFLE FVLE
    INFP. INTJ ENTP ISTP
    C N H D

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    +Ni

    Last edited by lavos; 01-16-2021 at 05:24 AM.

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    @mclane
    Really interesting what you're doing here.
    Do you listen to Muse? If so, what IM's would you attribute to their music in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mclane View Post
    Pure +Ne/+Ni



    Gremlins are the quintessence of +Ne

    ETA: I think they are also -Ne (lots of Ne), and -Se (except Gizmo. Gizmo being the only good gremlin is probably EII).


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliMeat View Post
    G̶r̶e̶m̶l̶i̶n̶s̶ ILE Theme Song

    I imagine this is what ILEs listen to every morning to start their day


    Yeah, I'm the Gremlin. Seems very much of ILE (and sometimes EIE'ish) creep show.
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