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    I'm looking for data from you guys. If this question seems too vague, know that I would appreciate any answer (whatever is your interpretation of this question) given that it is endowed with reason and seriousness.

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    None. All my duals have issues.

    -overweight and a pushover
    -deplorable self-esteem and no objectives
    -passive-aggressive and unproductive
    -poor time management and likes bathroom humor
    -talks too slowly and usually busy
    -loves anime and has misconceptions about sex

    Though actually, these are all male EIIs I've considered so far. I know an older EII woman (married to an LSE man) who is about as perfect as they come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    those sound more like IEI, @Director Abbie (except the first one, that one could be, but I also know an IEI like that).

    Anyway, op who is "perfect"? And who said that duality is about perfection?

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    I know at least 18 ESI's fairly well; seven are female, three I've gone out with, two I'd sleep with, one is perfect enough and she doesn't see me as a suitable partner.

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    1, if he's even my dual

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    Nobody's perfect, I gotta work it. Again and again till I get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragdoll Lynx View Post
    those sound like IEI Abbie.
    Lol, because I listed all their worst traits? How about this list?

    -Easygoing, steady, and friendly
    -Sweet, loving, and horrified by violence
    -Imaginative and musically creative
    -Calm, understanding, witty, and thoughtful
    -Gentlemanly, kind, lighthearted, and studious
    -Idealizes family life

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragdoll Lynx View Post
    Anyway, op who is "perfect"? And who said that duality is about perfection?
    It might be a case of gamodualurano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Being imperfect is a good reason to retype people
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    the same as perfect people
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    None. All my duals have issues.

    -overweight and a pushover
    -deplorable self-esteem and no objectives
    -passive-aggressive and unproductive
    -poor time management and likes bathroom humor
    -talks too slowly and usually busy
    -loves anime and has misconceptions about sex

    Though actually, these are all male EIIs I've considered so far. I know an older EII woman (married to an LSE man) who is about as perfect as they come.
    No joking, LSE might really be the dumbest type of the socion, they have no grace, act without thinking and are all raging dumbasses.

    Stupid Ni polr idiots... Don't you dare to approach me or I'm going to Fi you all the way to a mental institution.

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    @Marep Either you're thinking my post listing the negative qualities of EIIs I've known is an insult to the entire sociotype and are responding likewise, or you really hate LSEs and are thus probably not their dual.

    Fi wouldn't send an Fi-seeker to a mental institution. Ni might send an Ni-PoLR there. But Fi would be more likely to keep an LSE from being instituted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    @Marep Either you're thinking my post listing the negative qualities of EIIs I've known is an insult to the entire sociotype and are responding likewise, or you really hate LSEs and are thus probably not their dual.

    Fi wouldn't send an Fi-seeker to a mental institution. Ni might send an Ni-PoLR there. But Fi would be more likely to keep an LSE from being instituted.
    I was just being objective.

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    marep knows

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    Director Abbie is so sexy ^_^ but from what I hear she doesn't like anime. which I've grown out of anyway, but whatever I love caregivers. they're so friendly and warm inside

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    Abbie needs to reconsider her type.
    Calling her duals pushovers and seeing some EII behaviorial characteristics as issues is just enough proof.

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    I'm an ardent lover/admirer of artists, especially performance and visual artists, and so I've always frequented and participated in those spaces, which IME tend to overflow with my "perfect" or most idealized romantic dual > ESI-Se (4w3 sp/sx). There's no feeling in this world like being consistently driven to contemplate a murder-suicide...a beautiful, dramatic, poetic one, tho. lol For platonic friendships, 9w8 sp/sx types tend to fit me most ideally because they don't bring the e4 drama, are more balanced/even keeled and are the best at pulling me back from the edge, and forcefully if need be. Overall, I encounter this type of ESI-Se more often in the wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marep View Post
    Abbie needs to reconsider her type.

    This thread isn't about either of us.
    Here's my type-me thread if you want to press the issue.
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...fter-Two-Years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    I don't even know my own type, but of those I thought I was, none of the dual types seem like people I'd want to spend prolonged time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    -loves anime
    Why is that an issue ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Why is that an issue ?
    I don't like anime. So my concept of perfection does not include loving it.

    I make an exception for Avatar: The Last Airbender. That was very well-done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    My idealized dual is a sunny and jovial, yet spicy and passionate creature. Her touch radiates sensual warmth. She is not pedantic, skittish or materialistic, nor does she smoke or eat onions. Oh, and big tits would be good too.

    However I know that if you seek perfection, happiness in life will remain elusive. People are just too complicated and bound to surprise you.
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    I'd say they were all perfect in their own way; even those I did'nt like. They all have a few things I think they should work on but so does everybody.

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    I "hate" anime fans more so than animes, granted they're 14+ : )

    btw once I dated a guy who had naruto tattoo on his leg..

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    Two so far. It's kind of interesting that both showed up at a certain crux, so maybe there is something to this duality thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Lol, because I listed all their worst traits? How about this list?

    -Easygoing, steady, and friendly
    -Sweet, loving, and horrified by violence
    -Imaginative and musically creative
    -Calm, understanding, witty, and thoughtful
    -Gentlemanly, kind, lighthearted, and studious
    -Idealizes family life
    both lists seem like a IEI portrait to me.The thing with IEIs is that they look like EIIs at first...then just bam! They got your credit card (and they know your pin already). And if you dare to say something about it you just need to be prepared for the subsequent drama which will last at least 2 seasons. Its really offensive that you are so selfish after all the genuine niceness the IEI showed you.

    edit. https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...91#post1346691

    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    It might be a case of gamodualurano.

    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post

    This thread isn't about either of us.
    Here's my type-me thread if you want to press the issue.
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...fter-Two-Years
    Criticizing the EIIs you met for not being productive and ambitious, also calling them pushovers... it's obvious you value SE.
    Also, I talk slowly, and I never met other EIIs that didn't, it's just our functional order, which makes us think deeply and carefully before spilling words.

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    Exactly zero, all of them that I have met have had sociopathic and narcissistic features. Most of them are impulsive, irrational, sadistic and extremely arrogant people. Then maybe, they aren't my duals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marep View Post
    Criticizing the EIIs you met for not being productive and ambitious, also calling them pushovers... it's obvious you value SE.
    I could see LIE as a type for Abbie to be honest. Her Se is not in the ego block either. Se valuing, but weak Se is the most hostile to signs of weakness in others because they lack the volition to compensate for it.

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    Duality certainly isn't any assurance of perfection. These relationships have the highest probability that partners can agree on a common direction in life and not interfere with one another while moving along that path even though they most certainly will disagree about what needs to be done - unless one is a total wimp. Duality points to statistical probably more than idealism similar to the chances that two horses will make a great team if hitched to the same wagon. Perfection seems to be something that many young types seek or advertise in this era of less-than-truthful social profiles but as age creeps up, many people would be content if they and their partners simply could tolerate each other's idiosyncrasies and not pee in each other's soup. In reality, people can never make their partners happy; that's their partner's responsibility; the best that people can do is not stand in the way of their partner's happiness.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Lol, because I listed all their worst traits? How about this list?

    -Easygoing, steady, and friendly
    -Sweet, loving, and horrified by violence
    -Imaginative and musically creative
    -Calm, understanding, witty, and thoughtful
    -Gentlemanly, kind, lighthearted, and studious
    -Idealizes family life


    It might be a case of gamodualurano.
    Are these really EII-specific? They seem like "general issue nice guy" traits.
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    I've met 2 duals that I know of...I dunno what constitutes "perfection" but, uh, they aren't that, but they're ok.

    One of them is my bfs dad and he talks a ton, so I guess that's a "flaw" even if it doesn't bother me.

    The other is a coworker who kind of avoids me for some reason which is maybe a sign of some kind but I'm ok with it since I hate small talk. He takes time at the end of staff meetings to give everyone financial and tax advice and if that isn't LIE and adorable, good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    I've met 2 duals that I know of...I dunno what constitutes "perfection" but, uh, they aren't that, but they're ok.

    One of them is my bfs dad and he talks a ton, so I guess that's a "flaw" even if it doesn't bother me.

    The other is a coworker who kind of avoids me for some reason which is maybe a sign of some kind but I'm ok with it since I hate small talk. He takes time at the end of staff meetings to give everyone financial and tax advice and if that isn't LIE and adorable, good grief.
    Yesterday I called the ESI-Se e6 that I dated once last summer and asked her for some advice on trimming shrubs. The one who likes SLI's and says I talk too much, but I should walk with her so she can listen to me. She reminded me that she still has the key to my garage (she wanted to borrow my lawn mower and I'm never home), but she didn't want to have to listen to me talk all the time, so when could she return it when I wasn't there? I told her to put it in an envelope and just drop it off in the mailbox.

    She put it in a JuicyFruit box, which I thought was fairly whimsical and artistic. Very ESI-Se e6.
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    Lol, from a removed distance I can admire the honesty, but I wonder how rude she is altogether. Depending on my relationship to the person, I would make up a reason, but that has its own problems..(its harder to trust ppl who make shit up, even for good reasons.)

    If it was someone I was so close to that I would be placed in a position to respond for an hour or more a day, I'd feel differently, but sometimes people talk to talk, I dunno how you are. (Personally, I get crabby when people don't discernably respond to me and will be like what's the problem? I have chatty quarter hours here and there, but don't talk much, though.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Lol, from a removed distance I can admire the honesty, but I wonder how rude she is altogether. Depending on my relationship to the person, I would make up a reason, but that has its own problems..(its harder to trust ppl who make shit up, even for good reasons.)

    If it was someone I was so close to that I would be placed in a position to respond for an hour or more a day, I'd feel differently, but sometimes people talk to talk, I dunno how you are. (Personally, I get crabby when people don't discernably respond to me and will be like what's the problem? I have chatty quarter hours here and there, but don't talk much, though.)
    She reminds me a LOT of a male ESI-Se e6 friend of mine. He is brutally direct (he answers the phone with "What do you want?"), and he doesn't talk very much. We've known each other for almost thirty years and he stays remote when I suggest we get together, but if we bump into each other somewhere, he'll talk about it to mutual friends for days. "Hey, I was talking to Adam the other day. That guy is never around."

    I've had two really close ESI male friends. He's one of them, and an ESI e9 is the other. I used to go over to the ESI e9's house every day after school and we'd talk about telescopes and astronomy for an hour or two. The ESI e6 is more active and abrupt, but the ESI e9 seemed to tolerate me better. Neither of these guys talked a lot. After spending an hour or two with the ESI e6, he's like, "OK, I've had enough. You have to leave now." Lol.

    I've been thinking a lot about this recently. The ESI artist that I'm infatuated with is an e6w7 and I struggle to get as much of her as I want, just because she's always got some other place to be. All the fucking time.

    I found this enneagram site that has a chart showing who marries whom.

    https://www.9types.com/writeup/ennea...ationships.php

    Apparently, male e8's marry female e2's and e6's, while female e8's marry male e9's and e4's. I suspect that the male E8's marrying female e2's are LSE's marrying EII's, and the female e8's marrying e4's are SLE's marrying male IEI's, but the chart doesn't break that down. Instead, female e6's marry male e3's and e8's, which is probably ESI's marrying LIE's, and female e9's marry male e6's and male e3's, which is also probably ESI e9's marrying LIE e3's and ESI e9's marrying other ESI e6's. But it's impossible to know for sure.

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    I don't know. Like Gulenko says: eccentric people like eccentric and normal people like normal people while the strongest ones like to conqueror passive ones. Each type has its own eccentrics, normals, strong ones and passives. This one is not supposed to be the best and potentially fools you.

    I have seen pretty cool duals but again it is not probably the perfect.
    Measuring you right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulless ginger mutant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    -Easygoing, steady, and friendly
    -Sweet, loving, and horrified by violence
    -Imaginative and musically creative
    -Calm, understanding, witty, and thoughtful
    -Gentlemanly, kind, lighthearted, and studious
    -Idealizes family life
    Are these really EII-specific? They seem like "general issue nice guy" traits.
    They might not be EII-specific. But neither are they IEI-specific. The issues with my duals are not type-related so much as human-related.
    Two of them are forumites. Two of them I haven't interacted with since I was in high school. One is a violinist at my church who is probably in his 50s, teaches at the middle school, and has been working on his PHd. One is a close friend.
    I would relate this "horrified by violence" to Se-PoLR, though I know it's not true of all Se-PoLRs. I would relate this imaginativity to Ne, as it's the kind that spews out ideas but sees few through. I would relate this understanding to Fi, as it's not a sympathetic understanding but a clarity in a subject I can be muddled in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    They might not be EII-specific. But neither are they IEI-specific. The issues with my duals are not type-related so much as human-related.
    Two of them are forumites. Two of them I haven't interacted with since I was in high school. One is a violinist at my church who is probably in his 50s, teaches at the middle school, and has been working on his PHd. One is a close friend.
    I would relate this "horrified by violence" to Se-PoLR, though I know it's not true of all Se-PoLRs. I would relate this imaginativity to Ne, as it's the kind that spews out ideas but sees few through. I would relate this understanding to Fi, as it's not a sympathetic understanding but a clarity in a subject I can be muddled in.
    Ye're a hard woman, Abbie, me girl. Tougher than most men. You need a man who understands you and will stand by you, not one who will compete with you.

    And keep in mind, EII's can be hard in their own way. They can be accommodating, but I wouldn't call them pushovers by any means. In fact, one of the most unmovable guys I ever met was EII.

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    making a list about the traits we don't like in our duals is a sign that they're not our duals, yet insulting our duals with another list is a sign they're really duals, how does that even make sense..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I wouldn't call them pushovers by any means. In fact, one of the most unmovable guys I ever met was EII.
    The one I called a pushover is also E9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    making a list about the traits we don't like in our duals is a sign that they're not our duals, yet insulting our duals with another list is a sign they're really duals, how does that even make sense..
    ^^PRESSED like a panini. Let it go, girl. Let it go.

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