What do ethical functions feel like?

[ashlesha]

It's been shown with science (Google antonio r. damasio emotion decision making). So I guess that means it's objective? People who are injured in the part of the brain that generates emotion have trouble making decisions.
Using logic and refining or rationalizing is another layer.
This is why I've gotten annoyed with some logical types. When they think they're skipping that part. It's like convincing yourself u don't poop.
If you're good at making intelligent decisions or justifying them logically it's still a fantastic skill to have and you should be happy about it, even if they were formed by emotion at first. I won't tell anyone else.

[Myst]

It's been shown with science (Google antonio r. damasio emotion decision making). So I guess that means it's objective? People who are injured in the part of the brain that generates emotion have trouble making decisions.
Using logic and refining or rationalizing is another layer.
This is why I've gotten annoyed with some logical types. When they think they're skipping that part. It's like convincing yourself u don't poop.
If you're good at making intelligent decisions or justifying them logically it's still a fantastic skill to have and you should be happy about it, even if they were formed by emotion at first. I won't tell anyone else.

No, emotion does play a part in decision-making, but the decision is not always formed by emotion at first. You might find that hard to imagine but it's actually the case. Quick example for you from my own life. There was a point once where I decided I had to go on a vacation because I noticed I started getting overworked too much. Which obviously is not a thing I'd want. So... afterwards, I did have emotions at that point, liking the idea of the vacation obviously, was looking forward to reallllly throwing myself into it hard and enjoying it intensely. These emotions were coming up second though. And then, I couldn't decide when I wanted to get the vacation (I can decide this myself because I work by contracts, not as an employee). I do get a mental block when my emotional system is not ready yet to give me anything for a decision when the decision would be easier to do with emotions. It feels like a mental block anyhow. I'm familar with it and then I either don't rush things and just wait for my emotions to come up at their natural pace, or I force it by making myself impatient (this is an emotion too I guess and somehow I do easily have access to this if I really need to get decisive asap so I am overall fine with all this). With the vacation question I chose to wait to get over the mental block because I figured I had time to wait bc I had to sort out some jobs first. Then eventually that question sorted itself out because of how some other things in my life were going. As things were arranged at that point, it was just logical to pick a certain date. Emotions were not involved whatsoever. Unless you count my rationally being aware that I need to pay attention to my own emotional well-being. But thats not the same as actually going by feelings. So some decisions are easier to do by taking emotion into account and some don't require emotion as much, but of course even then indirectly it is important, by having some focus on your emotional well-being.

So yeah, I guess "logical types"' don't always poop.

Maybe you'll want to accept that people do really differ in big ways. For you it's prob. hard to imagine this yeah but it's how it works. This isn't simply about skills... anyone can have a high IQ, regardless of being a very "touchy-feely" person or not.

I also won't tell anyone haha. BTW there is one thing I do agree with: that when people more into the logical objective stuff say they don't have feelings, it's not literally true. I still had feelings in the above example too but not in the way you sounded like you assumed.

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@Aylen that's funny, to me all the descriptions on feelings I've seen (Fe, Fi, whatever) feel more like Bouba. It's more the logical stuff that feels more Kiki to me. The feely stuff just simply is less defined and less clear/strict and whatever. And btw I always preferred sharp corners and shapes to rounded ones in many things. So I guess there are individual differences. Hm, also the 2015 research (Salgado-Montejo) you referred to, I don't really see them the same way. It's not unpleasant for me to see sharp/jagged stuff by default, instead it's more definite/distinct which I actually do like. Interesting overall

[Aylen]

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@Aylen that's funny, to me all the descriptions on feelings I've seen (Fe, Fi, whatever) feel more like Bouba. It's more the logical stuff that feels more Kiki to me. The feely stuff just simply is less defined and less clear/strict and whatever. And btw I always preferred sharp corners and shapes to rounded ones in many things. So I guess there are individual differences. Hm, also the 2015 research (Salgado-Montejo) you referred to, I don't really see them the same way. It's not unpleasant for me to see sharp/jagged stuff by default, instead it's more definite/distinct which I actually do like. Interesting overall

I wasn't being too serious. I had seen the chart and thought of this thread so I posted what came to mind. It's funny because to me Ti, Ni and Si is bouba and Te, Ne and Se is is kiki so Fe and Fi was an exception to the pattern.

[Singu]

Well, and people's ability to feel is also the same, then.

Obviously though, both statements are incorrect.

Even though both emotion and objectivity are indispensable parts of life, it doesn't follow that everyone does or can do any of these to the same degree.

In a way, yes. But emotions are a sort of programs that have been "hard-coded" into our brain. Some may have more of, less of. Some may be completely lacking in, as in the case of autism or aspergers. It doesn't seem that we can change our level of emotions easily.

But as for our thoughts, that's more malleable. We can learn new things, and we can think in completely new and different ways. This is why I think rationality acts more as a stopper or restrainer to emotions.

Basically, I think people have the ability to think about anything. People have the ability to think about total nonsense, fantasies or completely random stuff. It's just that one of the millions of possible ways happens to be what is considered as "objective".

Sure the scientific method imo is the most refined way of being objective. But people had objectivity before that too.

Well not really, or not for very long. The scientific way of thinking was a completely new way of thinking.

If people knew how to be objective, then how did they go on about it? And how do we know that it's objective? We only know that it's objective, because we now have new thoughts and new theories and new "common sense" on what makes something objective or not.

Basically, before science, what was considered to be objective was "what worked". The bridge or the architecture didn't collapse, so that "worked" and the same design was repeated again and people built the same things. It was a whole heap of constant trial-and-error. But they didn't have a grand theory of the physics of the architecture that made them understand what makes it stand.

When you thought @Adam Strange 's way of looking at wife material was distasteful, that was him being objective with feelings being controlled by it / feelings not being as determining as objectivity. Even though yes feelings are still there and are very important.

It depends on whether my explanation is valid or not. "Objectivity" is not set in stones, it could change, it could be wrong. I could be wrong, you could be wrong, anyone could be wrong. In fact, we're all wrong.

[Nairda]

It's been shown with science (Google antonio r. damasio emotion decision making). So I guess that means it's objective? People who are injured in the part of the brain that generates emotion have trouble making decisions.
Using logic and refining or rationalizing is another layer.
This is why I've gotten annoyed with some logical types. When they think they're skipping that part. It's like convincing yourself u don't poop.
If you're good at making intelligent decisions or justifying them logically it's still a fantastic skill to have and you should be happy about it, even if they were formed by emotion at first. I won't tell anyone else.

This is hilarious