The Rise of Far Left Extremism

[Raver]

I'm confused about this thread, are we talking about "what lead to the current rise in far left extremism", or "is far left extremism good or bad"? I guess I'll focus on the former.

It seems to me that the dramatic rise in Antifa (as such) started in 2016 in response to the campaign and subsequent election of Donald Trump.

I agree that the 2016 election certainly had a role in exacerbating it due to Trump getting elected. However, according to social psychologist/professor Jonathan Haidt, far leftism/SJW culture started in 2014 and began slowly manifesting since the eighties and nineties as he explains here:

I don't know if you're confusing it with Austria, but Australia is already an multi-ethnic, multi-cultural country like Canada.

A lot of the countries in Asia and Africa are already multi-ethnic or multi-cultural.

I mentioned Australia because its new PM and government wants to cut down on immigration and it isn't as diverse as Canada and it takes in much less immigrants compared to Canada. However, its PM and government could change in the following elections and allow more immigrants. I will also concede that Australia is already multi-ethnic/multicultural. Asian and African countries are mostly mono-ethnic/monocultural except for a few of them.

Most countries pretty much only accept highly-skilled immigrants. The US being one of them.

US/Canada/Aus/NZ do that, but Europe takes in tons of unskilled economic migrants.

Can you show me a credible source which says that immigrants (legal or illegal) use the welfare system more than native residents and commit more crimes than native residents ..?

Here you are, in regards to immigrants draining the welfare system in Europe as I only mentioned welfare in Europe and not crime:

An estimated 40% of Muslim youth in France and 50% in Germany are unemployed but far from destitute. Rather, they receive a wide range of social benefits. For example, an estimated 40% of welfare outlays in Denmark go to the 5% of the population that is Muslim. According to Otto Schily, former German interior minister, speaking of immigrants in general: “Seventy percent of the newcomers [since 2002] land on welfare the day of their arrival.” In Sweden, perhaps the most acute case, immigrants are estimated at 1.5 million out of 10 million people; immigration is estimated to cost almost $14 billion per year.

These high levels of welfare are accompanied by high levels of unemployment. Nor has this situation improved; rather, it is deteriorating. According to analyst Christopher Caldwell: “In the early 1970s, 2 million of the 3 million foreigners in Germany were in the labor force; by the turn of this century, 2 million of 7.5 million were.” Similar stories abound in other West European countries.

Source: https://acdemocracy.org/muslim-immig...cial-benefits/

[xerx]

US/Canada/Aus/NZ do that, but Europe takes in tons of unskilled economic migrants.

Here you are, in regards to immigrants draining the welfare system in Europe as I only mentioned welfare in Europe and not crime:

Source: https://acdemocracy.org/muslim-immig...cial-benefits/

So I looked in the "Our Mission" section of the website, which bombastically proclaims their organization's desire to defend "Judeo-Christian" culture, making them comically not neutral on the question of Muslim immigration.

We identify strategies used by radical regimes and movements to subvert Judeo-Christian based Western democratic systems, America’ Constitutional rights, and political and economic freedoms.

Regardless, the article was written in 2015, so I checked around to see how well the refugees in Germany are integrating. It seems like of the 1.5 million, 400,000+ are already either working or in job training. The article doesn't say what % of that 1.5 million are children, elderly, or women raising children. These figures are, in fact, ahead of what experts predicted. Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8901161.html

Regarding long-time Muslim immigrants to France: if integration is that bad (and I believe it is), then the problem could be structural, whereas the integration of long-time Muslims immigrants to Germany is significantly better, with unemployment matching the national average. Source: https://www.thelocal.de/20170824/int...rest-of-europe



Regarding immigration to America, according to the CATO institute, which is a right wing / small-government think tank, legal and illegal immigrants receive less welfare benefits and commit fewer crimes than ordinary Americans.

Source 1: https://www.cato.org/publications/co...-welfare-state.
Source 2: https://www.cato.org/publications/im...egal-immigrant

[xerx]

@Raver

Both legal as well as illegal immigrants to America use less welfare and commit fewer crimes. If I was going to be a dick about it, I'd point out how replacing ordinary Americans with illegals might actually make the country better.

[mfckrz]

Both legal as well as illegal immigrants to America use less welfare and commit fewer crimes.

That's been debunked over and over: https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

And they already committed a crime by coming here, hence 'illegals'.

[xerx]

That's been debunked over and over: https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

And they already committed a crime by coming here, hence 'illegals'.

That debunking has itself been debunked. https://www.cato.org/blog/center-imm...ve-welfare-use

[Muddy]

"let's compare the US to cuba, an actual planned economy.
cuba is the poorest nation in south america, they are under a blockade by the US and can only trade with a handful of countries and have few natural resources of their own.
the US is the richest nation in the world and trades with most of the world, and is spoiled with natural resources.


Cuba has:
- the highest lifespan in the western hemisphere, beating the USA.
- Universal healthcare for all citizens
- Universal education for all citizens, all citizens can read.
- affordable housing for all citizens
- government provided food and affordable food for all citizens
- public transportation in major areas
- guaranteed employment for all citizens
- the highest standard of living of all south american countries
- fought off a US invasion


the USA has:
- a lower lifespan than the poorest country in the western hemisphere, despite being the richest country in the western hemisphere.
- 30 million people with no access to healthcare and tens of millions more with incomplete coverage and/or medical debts and bankruptcies.
- a failing public education system being eaten away by for-profit education, roughly 1-3% of population illiterate.
- a nationwide housing crisis
- government food assistance because the private market can't meet people's basic needs
- public transportation in new york city, a couple of other cities. also has a shitty bus system.
- Unemployed people, 4 - 12% on average. (i.e. at any one time the US has more desperate people broken by it's terrible system than Cuba has people at all)
- highest standard of living in western hemisphere for the top 25%, bottom 25% live worse than cubans. middle 50% increasingly worse off.
- Invades other countries for oil in order to sustain it's economy, once lost a war to vietnam, an impoverished country in the jungle."

[mfckrz]

"let's compare…"

Oh look, an extremely online tankie guy extolling Communism. Imagine that.