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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Who are the "left-wing extremists"? Eco-terrorists? Revolutionary communists?

    Right-wing killings eclipsed all other extremist-related murders in 2018. The numbers don’t lie.
    In 2018, at Least 50 US Deaths From Surging Right-Wing Extremist Attacks
    Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., ADL Finds

    - 17 people killed in Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh
    - In 2018, domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S
    - In 2017, 37 people were killed
    - In 2016, 72. In 2015, 70.
    - The majority of the murders were committed by white supremacists, with a smaller number perpetrated by anti-government extremists and extreme misogynists who identify as "involuntary celibates" or incels.
    - Only one of the 50 murders had any connection to Islamist extremism — and even then the perpetrator had ties to white supremacy.

    - 51 people killed in New Zealand Christchurch Mosque shootings
    - A white supremacist at a Veterans Affairs home in Tennessee allegedly set his African-American roommate on fire, then boasted about it to a white supremacist group.
    - Another Pittsburgh white supremacist was charged with stabbing an African-American man to death


    The right-wing extremists have actually been killing dozens of people in-discriminatory via mass-shootings, etc, while the "left-wing extremists" are calling people racists on YouTube. And we're supposed to care about left-wing extremists more because they're more dangerous. Right.

    If you still think that the problem is left-wing extremists, then either you're very naive or very disingenuous.
    I am not saying that right wing extremists are not a problem and that left wing extremists are the only problem. I acknowledge that right wing extremists have higher death tolls and physical violence than left wing extremists. However, the issue is let's not ignore left wing extremism just because right wing extremism exists. The problem is that both left wing and right wing extremism need to be remedied.

    However, left wing extremism is often ignored by the media and the general public because it supports the social narrative. Let's acknowledge that both right wing extremism and left wing extremism are serious problems that need to be addressed. Just because right wing extremism is worse in terms of death tolls and physical violence doesn't mean that we can suddenly ignore and/or accept left wing extremism.

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    I think it shouldn't have been done. I don't care that he was milkshaked, but it's obviously bad to physically attack people.

    Whether he deserved it is, I think, besides the point. Maybe he rapes puppies. Maybe Calvinists are right and we all deserve eternal suffering, and by beating Ngo up the protesters were executing divine judgment. But the fact is that I'm not very familiar with what sort of person he is, and even if I were, I wouldn't feel qualified to make any sort of normative judgment of this sort.
    Well, at least we agree that he should not have been attacked. From what I know of him, he's a conservative reporter that tried to cover a story on ANTIFA and that was the extent of it. I have not heard of him doing anything malicious to deserve being physically attacked:

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    In a nutshell:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfckrz View Post
    You're not wrong. It's shaping up to be something worse—insofar as the global implications of its anomie. At least the USSR's rot was largely contained within its own borders.
    I did mean it was worse. We would end up blown back to the Stone Age but slinging nuclear waste in unidentifiable steel ruins with broken neo-bicameral minds and lead-heavy hearts if American politics continued in this direction without change. Fortunately, that's not going to be completed, but it's still not good a good trajectory to see to begin with.

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    A real revolutionary leftist or revolutionary in general wouldn't waste time running around burning trash cans, smashing car windows, or throwing poopoo at cuckservative blumpf supporters. They would be attacking higher-ups in corporations and government. If anything, the current "radical left" does nothing more than help enforce the current neoliberal System by regurgitating ideals taught to them in schools and programmed by media and screeching at anyone who deviates from them.
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    you may notice the _existence_ of "far right" ideology masked in global liberalism and pseudodemocracies alike in USA and Europe. when interests of minority are set above interests of majority
    while so called "far left extremism" appears from the understanding that there is no legal ways to change the situation to interests of humanity. it's not more spreaded than formally open "right ideology" alike nazism

    liberalism is "right" ideology and it's almost anywhere now. it has open nazism in USA ideology and practice. more absorbs open hitlerism and social eugenism. gets more traits of open antihumanism.
    what you may see in today pseudodemocratic West is reducing of left reforms done before alike rising of social inequality, reducing of social fonds alike rising of pension ages
    left ideology is illegally supressed on West. medias to support propaganda and strengheting of "right" ideology will fight against left ideas, including by lie about "left threat". while "right threat" will be ignored. it's even called differently but does the same what Hitler did, partly by other means. what wars USA did in 20th century? what good they did in middle East in 21th century? they just destroy normal life anywhere to rob other nations.
    what was done with ex-USSR territories by USA forced liberal ideology - there is poverty and degradation now, people die out. resources go away to foreign nations. who resists - there comes USA army and kills people under medias propaganda they bring something good. what is good in Afganistan? USSR built there factories, opened schools. USA support and protect grow of drugs only, while people live as in past centuries

    think about liberal extremism. when is said good, but practically is done the harm against the laws. medias, politicians lie openly. lesser dirrect and lesser evident lie is much more. why was destroyed Iraq? what good was done with Lybia? with Syria by USA supported and rised islamistic bands. etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    you may notice the _existence_ of "far right" ideology masked in global liberalism and pseudodemocracies alike in USA and Europe. when interests of minority are set above interests of majority
    while so called "far left extremism" appears from the understanding that there is no legal ways to change the situation to interests of humanity
    Communism is dumb. I'd rather have the interests of the minority favored as long as it's the minority of each individual. There's nothing grosser than sacrificing people for the good of the community. That's always a lie anyways. Humanity's interests are worst of all. People always look at how things are rather than how they should be when doing things in the interest of "humanity." It's better to forget "humanity" and astonish everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    you may notice the _existence_ of "far right" ideology masked in global liberalism and pseudodemocracies alike in USA and Europe. when interests of minority are set above interests of majority
    while so called "far left extremism" appears from the understanding that there is no legal ways to change the situation to interests of humanity. it's not more spreaded than formally open "right ideology" alike nazism

    liberalism is "right" ideology and it's almost anywhere now
    You’re right. But you’re speaking to mostly Americans, most of whom don’t even know the name of the ideology that rules our society. You’re likely better off saving yourself the effort in engaging with political threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizany View Post
    A real revolutionary leftist or revolutionary in general wouldn't waste time running around burning trash cans, smashing car windows, or throwing poopoo at cuckservative blumpf supporters. They would be attacking higher-ups in corporations and government. If anything, the current "radical left" does nothing more than help enforce the current neoliberal System by regurgitating ideals taught to them in schools and programmed by media and screeching at anyone who deviates from them.
    You bring up a very good point. A lot of extreme leftism is merely supporting the political social goals of corporations, government and most mass media. They heavily push identity politics because it benefits them by having the general public fighting over each other at the bottom rather than the actual corporate/government enemy above them. This is why I should note that there are left-libertarians that are against corporate interests and the military industrial complex and these group of leftists are the true liberal fighters of the system because they recognize that the true enemy are the wealthy plutocratic class above them. They refuse to give in to identity politics that seeks to control free speech and undermine many personal freedoms.

    The regressive extreme left serve as pawns to corporate interests unknowingly. The social narrative orchestrated by mass media and policies enacted by the government serving corporate interests has spawned a reactionary extreme right either inadvertently or intentionally as a boogeyman to be afraid of. Unfortunately, the regressive extreme left fails to recognize this distinction and instead pushes identity politics despite it actually serving the interests above them as it is utilized as the means for increasing authoritarianism indirectly. If they joined left-libertarians in fighting greedy corporate interests and government policies that support them then they would actually be productive in their effort to overthrow the system rather than counterproductive.
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    reminds me of the time when the "leftist" US government managed to kill the "philo-commie" Italian prime minister Aldo Moro and made it look like it had been the far-left...

    just sayin', not all leftists are real leftists

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    I’m a small guy, but based on pics I’ve seen of Antifa members I could probably kick Alonzo’s ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    You’re right. But you’re speaking to mostly Americans, most of whom don’t even know the name of the ideology that rules our society. You’re likely better off saving yourself the effort in engaging with political threads.
    Those who don't know get the info to understand. It's one of purposes of this section's readers.

    It's not a special problem of USA - it's common anywhere. Most people have no enough education and do not think critically about political situation. They only absorb propaganda, while their minds are isolated by a censorship and other methods. When they get other views they start to think and may change own opinions. It may happen not in a moment, - common 1st reaction is emotional negativism as propaganda is based on emotions. Later they may accept or reject new opinions more rationally, mb after gathering data themselves about politics.

    Liberalism is based on individualism, egocentrism, on hate to other people. So called "right" ideology is the same individualism just on national level. People who follow to idea of higher interests of own nation above other nations are individualists and nazists in those views, - they can't be complete nationalists, as nationalism is based on love to people, on collectivism. Partly this controvertion is solved by illusions from propaganda about inferior or bad by other reasons people of other nations, by dehumanization of them.

    I may add more.

    There is no dichotomy right vs left. The dichotomy is individualism vs collectivism.
    A human which lives for himself in egocentric sense (me against anyone) vs human who lives for other people (though this makes him happy too as he does this because having love to others and becomes happier when other people are happier).

    I'd want to add - the more human is individualist - the more doubtful he may feel happy. For individualists the world should be terrible - a place of neverending war, they are always among enemies, threats are anywhere, in permanent emotions of anxiety and hate. Mb this has a metaphor in Christianity - when people living without love live in hell, who sell own souls - own possibility to feel happy for something else.

    I also may add that when people love someone (own marriage pair, for example) - they are more predisposed to love in general, to love anyone, the whole World in the absolute and its Creator. Having more of love - they should be able to feel happier. I mean here not only a sympathy - but deeper feeling of union, joining the minds with other one, introjections of his personality and interests in yourself.
    If Jung types with good IR is factor which makes easier to love other human. Socionics is a way to make more collectivism among people, more love among them. It mb the reason why Socionics appeared and developed in socialistic USSR, but not among Jungians in individualistic capitalistic Western world. Jungians knew about duality effects but thought them as "bad" - they followed to individualistic approach, where to love is bad, thought love as what makes weaker by preventing personal growth. On practice the situation is opposite. Duals may improve each other by sharing of skills and activation of weak functional regions - they should deeper love each other for this to happen better.

    So people who are interested in Socionics and use it - follow to left ideology. They are practically communists as this term itself relates mostly to humanism and collectivism. They accept the need of love and search the way to make it more among people.
    This also makes them extremists to some degree - as laws of today states is based much on antihumanism and nazism. These states also have ideology which describes [wrongly] their laws as best for people, so love and ideas of Socionics they may describe as harmful. Those laws go from the idea that good is a competition between anyone based on hate and fear, that it's the only good motivation.
    From Christianity point - liberalism, capitalism are political expression of Satanism. While Christianity is extremistic ideology for today states. It's a question of time when this will be said openly and it will be tried to forbidden. Humanism will be tried to forbidden directly or indirectly. As collectivism and humanism are parts of normal people - the problem appears for humanity itself. There is predisposition to processes of Armageddon. While anything what supports collectivism works against this to happen or to reduce that.

    People need to think deeper about politics. And a place of Socionics in it.
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    Communism is bad though. Individualism is necessary for love. In order to love, you have to have someone or something to love. Communism just asks you to love the ideology. Capitalism gives you music, art, homes, cars, clothes that make you look good, tea and coffee to sit down and drink with others, and the whole workings of society. I find it easier to get into listening to music by individual artist like David Bowie, Pink Floyd, etc. than to listen to "music" in some vague sense. Without the individual, there is nothing. Lovers love each other and this messes up the workings of society like in Romeo and Juliet, and parents pick their children over other children etc. That's what love is and what love is about. Love is about the single individual triumphing over the whole world.

    Here's some capitalist music so we can see how evil capitalism is, with its desire for the world to sing in harmony instead of screaming and destroying everything:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizany View Post
    A real revolutionary leftist or revolutionary in general wouldn't waste time running around burning trash cans, smashing car windows, or throwing poopoo at cuckservative blumpf supporters. They would be attacking higher-ups in corporations and government. If anything, the current "radical left" does nothing more than help enforce the current neoliberal System by regurgitating ideals taught to them in schools and programmed by media and screeching at anyone who deviates from them.
    Agreed. As a staunch opposer of free market capitalism I see Antifa and many of those in democrat party as an embarrassment and a hindrance towards socialism as whole. They waste time unstrategically attacking fringe neo-nazis and thereby doing the establishment's job instead of directly going after Dennis Prager type conservatives who are the people they need to go after if they really want socialism. Espousing all this anti-racism/LGBT stuff doesn't help either as the current liberal establishment already enforces those social values rather extensively, and going any further is over-correction and turns people off.

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    it's ironic how the word "liberalism" denotes a leftist bent in the US, it's sort of telling of how any real leftist views are considered extreme.. "I'm a democrat but bleh socialism!" (the soul of the left)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    reminds me of the time when the "leftist" US government managed to kill the "philo-commie" Italian prime minister Aldo Moro and made it look like it had been the far-left...

    just sayin', not all leftists are real leftists
    Isn't this a conspiracy theory though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Capitalism gives you music, art, homes, cars, clothes that make you look good, tea and coffee to sit down and drink with others, and the whole workings of society.
    And socialism/communism can't also provide these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    If I go to a college class and say something like "Shakespeare is great" someone will say I'm oppressing them and I should join them in replacing Shakespeare with some whiny radical feminist author who no one's ever heard of because their writing simply isn't very good. Having a common culture of some form matters a lot because without it we'll go to the Stone Age. People don't have to love Shakespeare and opera but replacing it with authors who aren't very good isn't a viable alternative.
    It's not about replacing Shakespeare, it's about expanding the literary canon. All those dead white authors are not in the canon because they are better, but because nobody paid attention to the rest. Zora Neale Hurston is objectively far better than Hemingway, but as a black woman author, she had a much harder time. That's what it's about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    And socialism/communism can't also provide these?
    It never does. Socialist music and art suck, self-expression isn't allowed, and there are always resource shortages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delilah View Post
    Isn't this a conspiracy theory though?
    most conspiracy theories are a bit true if you dig enough, it's just that some of the crazy ones weave the threads together in very twisted ways, usually in support of some deep seated collective fears

    and yes, it was an america conspiracy against the rise of communism in europe post ww2, all europe was under us control (still now somehow), italy particularly so because of our commie inclinations. we were a threat. cold war, ye?

    after 50 years the reponsibles have not been found, they are protected by the highest powers. all the dynamics of the kidnap + killing are not proven and inconsistent and so even the alleged testimonies of the people who declared to have commited the crimes... only lately the politicians started to reveal the role of some unspeakable puppeteers... it's very crazy stuff, you won't find it on wikipoodia.

    (side note, and that was not the only case...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    It's not about replacing Shakespeare, it's about expanding the literary canon. All those dead white authors are not in the canon because they are better, but because nobody paid attention to the rest. Zora Neale Hurston is objectively far better than Hemingway, but as a black woman author, she had a much harder time. That's what it's about.
    No, it's about replacing authors. People who actually read have already read Zora Neale Hurtson. People who don't want to read want to get rid of Shakespeare and replace it with Derrida (not black women) and Tumblr poetry. Just because you don't know this is a problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    No, it's about replacing authors. People who actually read have already read Zora Neale Hurtson. People who don't want to read want to get rid of Shakespeare and replace it with Derrida (not black women) and Tumblr poetry. Just because you don't know this is a problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
    This is not my experience. Also, the people who don't want to read are not the ones who make the decision of what to include on the reading list for a class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I am not saying that right wing extremists are not a problem and that left wing extremists are the only problem. I acknowledge that right wing extremists have higher death tolls and physical violence than left wing extremists. However, the issue is let's not ignore left wing extremism just because right wing extremism exists. The problem is that both left wing and right wing extremism need to be remedied.
    This whole narrative that you're eating right up is "left-wing extremism is just as bad as right-wing extremism!", which is just a convenient distraction from the real threat of right-wing extremism.

    As ADL had noted, while the tactics employed by antifa are problematic, equating them with right-wing extremists is false equivalence:

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    All forms of antifa violence are problematic. Additionally, violence plays into the “victimhood” narrative of white supremacists and other right-wing extremists and can even be used for recruiting purposes. Images of these “free speech” protesters being beaten by black-clad and bandana-masked antifa provide right wing extremists with a powerful propaganda tool.

    That said, it is important to reject attempts to claim equivalence between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose. The antifa reject racism but use unacceptable tactics. White supremacists use even more extreme violence to spread their ideologies of hate, to intimidate ethnic minorities, and undermine democratic norms. Right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years; they have murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last ten years alone. To date, there have not been any known antifa-related murders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    However, left wing extremism is often ignored by the media and the general public because it supports the social narrative. Let's acknowledge that both right wing extremism and left wing extremism are serious problems that need to be addressed. Just because right wing extremism is worse in terms of death tolls and physical violence doesn't mean that we can suddenly ignore and/or accept left wing extremism.
    The real reason why the "left-wing extremists" are ignored by the media is because they've never actually killed anyone before, while right-wing extremists are killing dozens of people every year.

    A headline of "a group of anonymous antifa people have fisticuffs with right-wingers" isn't exactly exciting or very newsworthy. You might as well report on random bar fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    It never does. Socialist music and art suck, self-expression isn't allowed, and there are always resource shortages.
    You realize that socialism has never yet managed to initially take hold within a wealthy industrialized nation right? Good art and music is a byproduct of wealth abundance. China, Russia, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, etc where all dirt poor backwater countries just prior to becoming socialist and nothing could of possibly risen their wealth to USA levels within the Cold-War timeframe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    It never does. Socialist music and art suck, self-expression isn't allowed, and there are always resource shortages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    You realize that socialism has never yet managed to initially take hold within a wealthy industrialized nation right? Good art and music is a byproduct of wealth abundance. China, Russia, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, etc where all dirt poor backwater countries just prior to becoming socialist and nothing could of possibly risen their wealth to USA levels within the Cold-War timeframe.
    Socialism causes poverty and capitalism causes wealth. When socialist countries get wealth, they become capitalist.

    I'm also pretty sure the causation works the other way. If a country sells its resources, it has a finite amount of wealth. If a country creates new resources (arts in the broad sense) it has an infinite amount of wealth over time. If it combines its intellectual capital with its industry (arts in the narrow sense) it has an exponentially more infinite amount of wealth over time. You know why the Berlin Wall fell? There was a rock concert that was audible from the other side of the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    mayakosky, lilya brik, chagall, the futurist and constructivist movements, this song
    OK, let me correct: socialist music and art suck in the same way that most people can't sing. Most people can physically sing, and there is some socialist music and art that doesn't suck, but it's not significant in either case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Socialism causes poverty and capitalism causes wealth. When socialist countries get wealth, they become capitalist.

    I'm also pretty sure the causation works the other way. If a country sells its resources, it has a finite amount of wealth. If a country creates new resources (arts in the broad sense) it has an infinite amount of wealth over time. If it combines its intellectual capital with its industry (arts in the narrow sense) it has an exponentially more infinite amount of wealth over time. You know why the Berlin Wall fell? There was a rock concert that was audible from the other side of the wall.
    Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.

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    My family (me, my wife and son) were a perfect communism. “From each, according to your abilities, to each, according to your needs.”
    We only became Capitalists when dealing with those people outside the family. Those people who didn’t exchange resources with perfect magnanimity. Those who couldn’t be absolutely relied on to repay their personal “debts”. Those people who used money.

    We would do some work for people and instead of them returning the favor right away, they’d give us these IOU’s in the form of green pieces of paper. They said that we could use them as proof that they owed us some work in return, sometime in the future.

    We have a lot of these IOU’s sitting around, because we’ve done a lot more for them than they’ve done for us. I hope this will turn around some day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Socialism causes poverty and capitalism causes wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.
    Yes, and that's why America has more wealth now than it has historically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolus View Post
    I’m a small guy, but based on pics I’ve seen of Antifa members I could probably kick Alonzo’s ass.
    lol The day you tried would be the day you died, bitch--fortunately, no one would miss you. I'm a 195cm Viking-Mandingo hybrid; I'd gleefully smother you with the palm of my weaker hand.

    I'd even off myself before I'd let some cum guzzling, non-binary redneck whore in a bedazzled kaftan kick my ass. FOH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    This whole narrative that you're eating right up is "left-wing extremism is just as bad as right-wing extremism!", which is just a convenient distraction from the real threat of right-wing extremism.

    As ADL had noted, while the tactics employed by antifa are problematic, equating them with right-wing extremists is false equivalence:

    https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...are-the-antifa
    Did you even read my other posts? I basically spent the rest of my posts stating that I think right wing extremism is worse than left wing extremism, but that doesn't mean we can ignore left wing extremism either. My argument is not a false equivalence because I'm not saying that they are equal, but rather that they both need to be dealt with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    The real reason why the "left-wing extremists" are ignored by the media is because they've never actually killed anyone before, while right-wing extremists are killing dozens of people every year.

    A headline of "a group of anonymous antifa people have fisticuffs with right-wingers" isn't exactly exciting or very newsworthy. You might as well report on random bar fights.
    That link has nothing to do with ANTIFA, it is about some random fringe environmentalist groups that have almost nothing to do with what we're talking about other than the fact that they're both far leftists. My original point still stands, how does the fact that right wing extremists cause more deaths and physical violence, make it acceptable to ignore what left wing extremists are doing? So in other words, I'm not saying that right wing extremists = left wing extremists in severity or in general. I am saying that left wing extremists are a problem that need to remedied, do you see the difference yet?
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    @Raver He's never going to see the difference, because the media has just burnt the false idea into his head that every time someone says "left-wing extremists" they're about to make a rabid right-wing point.

    For what it's worth I think left-wing extremism is worse because it's used to police official viewpoints. If an antifa attacks you, everyone will think you're a Nazi. If a Nazi attacks you, you'll be somewhere from mildly injured to dead, but they're a Nazi and no one listens to Nazis except to hear how crazy they are so that's all that'll happen. The firing squad is better than the Chestnut Tree, though I feel very certain I would win against both in the actual story of my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    lol The day you tried would be the day you died, bitch--fortunately, no one would miss you. I'm a 195cm Viking-Mandingo hybrid; I'd gleefully smother you with the palm of my weaker hand.

    I'd even off myself before I'd let some cum guzzling, non-binary redneck whore in a bedazzled kaftan kick my ass. FOH.
    Sounds like a lot of compensation to me, creampuff. Remember when you accused K4m of trying to act tough online?
    And again, stop projecting on to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    Did you even read my other posts? I basically spent the rest of my posts stating that I think right wing extremism is worse than left wing extremism, but that doesn't mean we can ignore left wing extremism either. My argument is not a false equivalence because I'm not saying that they are equal, but rather that they both need to be dealt with.
    This is what you said, stop denying:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raver
    They are basically the left-wing version of neo-nazis, but they are often ignored or even praised by some that are unaware of how much damage these people are causing to other people and our society inadvertently.

    You are equating them with neo-Nazis, which is obviously a false equivalence. They are not the left-wing version of neo-Nazis because they don't actually go as far as killing anyone.

    They are ignored because they don't actually cause any significant damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raver
    That link has nothing to do with ANTIFA, it is about some random fringe environmentalist groups that have almost nothing to do with what we're talking about other than the fact that they're both far leftists.
    We're talking about "left-wing extremists", idiot. The whole point of that article is that the media and the police go after them even though they're not really a real terrorist threat, because corporate interest in involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    @Raver He's never going to see the difference, because the media has just burnt the false idea into his head that every time someone says "left-wing extremists" they're about to make a rabid right-wing point.

    For what it's worth I think left-wing extremism is worse because it's used to police official viewpoints. If an antifa attacks you, everyone will think you're a Nazi. If a Nazi attacks you, you'll be somewhere from mildly injured to dead, but they're a Nazi and no one listens to Nazis except to hear how crazy they are so that's all that'll happen. The firing squad is better than the Chestnut Tree, though I feel very certain I would win against both in the actual story of my lifetime.
    You're an idiot.

    What the fuck does "I think left-wing extremism is worse because it's used to police official viewpoints" even mean? Stop spewing your dumbass airy-fairy opinions as if they even make sense you fucking dolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    This is what you said, stop denying:



    You are equating them with neo-Nazis, which is obviously a false equivalence. They are not the left-wing version of neo-Nazis because they don't actually go as far as killing anyone.

    They are ignored because they don't actually cause any significant damage.



    We're talking about "left-wing extremists", idiot. The whole point of that article is that the media and the police go after them even though they're not really a real terrorist threat, because corporate interest in involved.
    You're just mad at me because you're a brainwashed far leftist and I called you out in with this thread. Then you hypocritically call the forum brainwashed for believing in Socionics when it's clear the real brainwashed person is you for believing in far leftist extreme doctrine and spewing it constantly in the forum for years as long with your constant anti-Socionics rhetoric like a clown. It really is astounding the level of ignorance, lack of self awareness and stupidity you really have shown in this forum in the past few recent years. At least the other far leftists in this forum don't have that insane level of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    You're just mad at me because you're a brainwashed far leftist and I called you out in with this thread.
    Uh no, it's more like you're backpedaling because you've been pointed out your bias and dumbassery.

    "I'm nOt sAyiNg tHaT tHeY'rE tHe SaMe aS nEo-NaZiS... BuT tHeY'rE tHe sAmE aS nEo-NaZiS".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Uh no, it's more like you're backpedaling because you've been pointed out your bias and dumbassery.

    "I'm nOt sAyiNg tHaT tHeY'rE tHe SaMe aS nEo-NaZiS... BuT tHeY'rE tHe sAmE aS nEo-NaZiS".
    Or you can't understand basic English when I already mentioned several times that ANTIFA are not the same as Neo-Nazis, but can be dangerous at the same time, both are possible. This isn't rocket science dude, your brain shouldn't be short circuiting like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    Or you can't understand basic English when I already mentioned several times that ANTIFA are not the same as Neo-Nazis, but can be dangerous at the same time, both are possible. This isn't rocket science dude, your brain shouldn't be short circuiting like this.
    Yeah because you've basically backpedaled after me and some other people have pointed out that they're not the same lol.

    Your entire OP was based around the premise that "left-wing extremists are the left wing version of Neo-Nazis".

    Then you complain that "antifa are given a free pass because of left-wing brainwashing and media conspiracy!". But the real reason is that no one gives a shit when they have some fisticuffs with some random right-wingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.
    All freedom extends from property.

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