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    Default Which do you think is the most intelligent type?

    People have a presumption that intuitives are more intelligent than sensories. But I'm going to go out on a limb here: I think SLE is the most intelligent type.

    Why? Because it's combination of holographical-panoramic and -program gives it the ability to multidimensionally decompose any bit of information it wants into the perfect representation. SLE in battle takes the extremely high dimensional war theater and decomposes it into front, side, and flank positions. SLE in computer science takes high dimensional problem space and decomposes it into simple algorithms. And because they're not intuitives their decompositions are almost perfect. They represent space perfectly.

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    Linking intelligence to type is more of an MBTI thing. N<S, T<F
    I wouldn't correlate intelligence, a word that can mean many things, to any type. Also, here you are saying your supervisor is the most intelligent, and it seems to be a common thing to feel stupid in front of a supervisor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefilias View Post
    Also, here you are saying your supervisor is the most intelligent, and it seems to be a common thing to feel stupid in front of a supervisor.
    L-O-L prob true

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    An LII that doesn't even bother to first define "intelligence?" lol Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    An LII that doesn't even bother to first define "intelligence?" lol Sigh.
    But I did. Read through my second paragraph carefully. I implicitly defined intelligence as "multidimensional decomposition." The only thing I didn't do was put it in Aristotelian form with strict definition-theorem structure like this:

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    Definition. The intellect of a rational agent is defined to be the extent of multidimensional decomposition said rational agent is capable of.
    Of course, because I didn't put it in -format like you prefer in general, you reacted in a classical Extinguishment fashion. Funny.

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    "multidimensional decomposition"? I think my son's Goldfish do that, and they're dead.

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    dunno. pro'lly isaac newton.

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    What we commonly mean by intelligence is linked to NT type. There is no doubt about that. Of course any type can be intelligent but it gets pronounced if the type is NT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    What we commonly mean by intelligence is linked to NT type. There is no doubt about that. Of course any type can be intelligent but it gets pronounced if the type is NT.
    To me intelligence = multidimensional decomposition. How well a type performs that is not correlated with type. All types have the potential to do multidimensional decomposition well. Vox Day is an SEE and he performs multidimensional decomposition better than I can. But what they decompose (e.g. ethical decomposes value-based information while logical decomposes structure-based information) is going to vary from type to type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterPrincipleTwo View Post
    To me intelligence = multidimensional decomposition. How well a type performs that is not correlated with type. All types have the potential to do multidimensional decomposition well.
    If this "multidimensional decomposition" is not correlated to type and therefore all types are capable of doing it well, why make this thread and assert that SLEs are the most "intelligent?" Wouldn't any SEE or EII or ESE highly adept at "decomposing" their respective form of "information" be considered intelligent in their own right, then? A SEE or SLE may more readily manifest a bodily-kinesthetic intelligence whereas an "intelligent" EIE or ESE may possess stellar interpersonal skills. That being the case, I don't understand highlighting SLEs as being particularly "intelligent," seeing as how to a significant degree, "it's all relative."

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    Should we ask which cognitive style is the most intelligent? I think performance wise Holographic types who are result oriented might win there.

    Process types take precautionary methods so their performance score drops assuming they had same capacity and holographic thinking.

    Where process types takes the cake it is in intellectualizing stuff.
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    IMO, there are two aspects of intelligence metaphorically speaking: hardware and software. Hardware is how fast you learn and think, so basically think of it as the speed processor in your brain, which has absolutely nothing to do with type. Software is how you think because of your personality, which is partially influenced by type, but other factors matter just as much if not more. So software has more to do with intellectualism rather than brainpower, but it is an aspect of intelligence nonetheless.

    True intelligence is often recognized as someone that is strong at both: hardware and software. What type does, is influence what types of intelligence you are more likely to be better at. In terms of hardware or brainpower, type is irrelevant. However, NTs would stereotypically be better at what we define as intelligence such as math, logic and science and smarter software wise. Where as NFs, STs and SFs would be better at other types of intelligence that are not as valued. Take all of this with a grain of salt btw as I am merely generalizing ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    IMO, there are two aspects of intelligence metaphorically speaking: hardware and software. Hardware is how fast you learn and think, so basically think of it as the speed processor in your brain, which has absolutely nothing to do with type. Software is how you think because of your personality, which is partially influenced by type, but other factors matter just as much if not more. So software has more to do with intellectualism rather than brainpower, but it is an aspect of intelligence nonetheless.

    True intelligence is often recognized as someone that is strong at both: hardware and software. What type does, is influence what types of intelligence you are more likely to be better at. In terms of hardware or brainpower, type is irrelevant. However, NTs would stereotypically be better at what we define as intelligence such as math, logic and science and smarter software wise. Where as NFs, STs and SFs would be better at other types of intelligence that are not as valued. Take all of this with a grain of salt btw as I am merely generalizing ideas.
    Yea I always thought of standardized testing like SAT/IQ testing like the hardware testing...Similar to the 40 yard dash times during the NFL combines.... It tests your raw processing power... like it can be a predictor of academic success.... but it doesn't take into account the person's discipline and intangibles; it's why you aren't guaranteed success just because you went to a great school. like you mentioned this is only one aspect of intelligence... gotta take into account other factors.
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    Ya op agreed but then we'd think that about our supervisor wouldn't we

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    There's no real such thing as the most intelligent type... or even the most intelligent person. Because what really matters is the creativity, and creativity trumps all. Yes, an intelligent person can be creative, but without creativity, there will be no new knowledge. Only creativity has the ability to create new knowledge, and only from new knowledge we can create new stuff and do new things. Or even know anything about the world.

    So that's why you have supercomputers and "AI", but they still can't create anything new, unless humans feed them with data and information. There is some "evolution-based AI", but the computer itself can't understand what the hell it is creating, unless a human programmer analyzes it.

    Theoretically, we can program the exact kind of programs that we have today on a very old, slow computer. It's just going to take a lot more time. So just being able to think fast isn't going to be able to produce anything new. A very intelligent person may also be simultaneously very creative. But what's really important is the ability to be creative. Or maybe we're thinking "intelligent" in the wrong way.

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    ENFJs are said to be the most intelligent in MBTI, often they become ENFp in socion. and yeah, they should be good in breaking things down to analyze them multifacetedly

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    In Socionics, there's another name for valued/unvalued blocks of Model A: verbal and nonverbal.

    As it just so happens, intelligence can also be divided into verbal and nonverbal.

    Do you think that this division in Model A also corresponds to the division in intellect? Do you think people with high verbal IQ have enhanced program/creative/suggestive/activation functions? Do you think people with low verbal IQ but high nonverbal IQ have enhanced role/polr/ignoring/demonstrative functions?

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    the one having the better developed functions in the region where those are needed

    intelligent is 8 functions. they all are equally important to live
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I’ve met so many stupid people of every type that I doubt there’s a very strong correlation between Sociotype and intelligence.

    As other people here have said, “intelligence” is already an abstract concept and can be measured in a few ways. My ESE mother, for instance, was academically brilliant; she was the top of her class through high school and nursing school, and has a phenomenal menory. But in other ways she’s helpless; she’s unable and/or unwilling to apply knowledge she has. As a concrete example, she believes in essential oils and sinilar pseudoscience — even though she’s a CRNA, well understands physiology, and can explain to you in as much detail as you please how any organ or system in the body works, and ought to understand that putting lavender oil on your foot won’t do a thing to cure a cold. She’s also bad at practical matters; she’ll almost melt with fear if she’s tasked with anything that seems complicated (also partially related to E6) and she isn’t good at managing time, or anything logistical — packing, planning, making arrangements. She also doesn’t tend to understand abstract concepts well unless clearly explained to her. And she tends to forget memories worrying quickly that are unpleasant to recall.
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