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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    True, but I'm not completely sure about myself what is my base and my creative function. So I decided that based on my PoLR function, and I relate way more to the -PoLR description than the -PoLR description.

    It's not that easy for me to write detailed explanations in a lanuage that isn't my native language. But I'll try my best.


    Based on that description I'm likely more ILE, but
    I don't think that is my vulnerable function and my ignoring function.


    Maybe I'm challenged by understanding the meaning of some words of the English language to native speakers.
    And I don't consider myself to be an expert in Socionics... because my talents are in MINT topics.

    Thanks for your detailed description.
    There are many different kinds of LII and ILE. And the distinction between mirror types isn't always obvious or applicable. For a little while I thought I was ILE. I certainly acted that way. I think it's reasonable that you don't fit perfectly in either. Or that you are truly one of the two, but your functions manifest atypically due to special circumstances.

    Those two descriptions aren't exclusive to ILE and LII respectively. They're just the most natural thought patterns that they might form. Reality is a lot more nuanced.



    Try to find out what your 4D IM Elements are () and how you use them. They determine how you use a lot of the "weaker" ones.

    Also, I believe that if you understand why PoLR exists at all, at a fundamental level, you can make much better use of socionics.
    And it might not end up being how everybody understands it, but it's still "real world" useful.
    Last edited by Luk; 06-16-2019 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrrmaid View Post
    having multiple type options is great because then you have multiple PoLR options and can just blame any mistake you make on one of these possible options and never take real responsibility for anything. Check mate, personal growth.
    Now we're talking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysalis View Post
    Now we're talking
    I think it's just an excuse to have a conflict relation with everybody. 😔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk View Post
    I think it's just an excuse to have a conflict relation with everybody. 
    To have duality with everyone*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysalis View Post
    To have duality with everyone*
    A nobler excuse. I approve. 👍 So who wants to try it out? 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk View Post
    There are many different kinds of LII and ILE...

    Those two descriptions aren't exclusive to ILE and LII respectively...
    I guess there is a reason why people created systems of subtypes, because there are a lot of people which are unable to identify themselves with a type description entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    I guess there is a reason why people created systems of subtypes, because there are a lot of people which are unable to identify themselves with a type description entirely.
    One could keep endlessly categorising until we reached 8 billion categories and even then we might still not have enough.

    My problem with the system of subtypes is that I could never find its first principles. Only the conclusions, which didn't exactly inspire confidence. "Ne subtype is this, while Ti subtype is that." Sure, but whyyy?

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    Jung mentions the subtypes, it has to do with the access to the subconscious, a creative subtype provides an easier access to the other functions. the theory of subtypes works pretty much the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    Jung mentions the subtypes, it has to do with the access to the subconscious, a creative subtype provides an easier access to the other functions. the theory of subtypes works pretty much the same...
    Carl Jung died before Socionics was invented. We're applying his subtypes to socionics?? If what you said is true and the system really is his, then that kind of explains why I couldn't find a basis for it.

    It would still be nice to see a concise/consistent theory of Model A subtypes.


    To anyone who has such a theory, I accept electronic donations of knowledge.

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    Socionics is based on Jung so obviously the core concepts come from him, including subtypes. If you had to research the socionics theory of subtypes "inert vs contac", you'd see those same Jungian concepts applied to Model A.

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