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    As there are likely people who have experience and/or opinions about this intertype on here, I was hoping some advice might be offered. I am finding ESE to have a need to control/manipulate the space around them (and around me!) in ways that I find excessive and wish to halt. Having actually stated this to them directly didn't seem to make a difference, it was as if it went unregistered by the ESE. I actually care about my space too and wish it to not be interfered with. I think the ESE can't help this, but knowing this doesn't help me! Comments? Thanks.
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    what do you mean by
    "have a need to control/manipulate the space around them (and around me!) in ways that I find excessive and wish to halt. "

    What exactly have you told them? They need to understand the source of your discomfort and you need to give them alternatives to how they can behave around you without causing you stress. Usually they'll do what they can but only if it's reasonable. So make it reasonable.

    edit: "reasonable" in the sense of explaining your position with Ti. It's not an implication of you being stupid
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    any S tends to control S region as space
    if you have S too (seems such as SEI) then you compete
    also if that "ESE" is Se alike SEE - then you being SEI have higher irritation by the way they contol space
    also any human who you do not like much by IR or other reasons may annoy you higher by anything, including space control
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    @Bento: I've seen/noticed physical space interference with several ESE i know, like they will interfere in your personal space. Most recently this happens with my landlady, who keeps showing up at my door at random times even tho legally she needs to notify me and can't just expect to be let in simply because i'm being polite. I told her she needs to let me know in advance and not just crowd my space at random, this seemed to go over her head. That's one simple example, hope it makes sense, and i'm sure i'm being reasonable about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delilah View Post
    @Bento: I've seen/noticed physical space interference with several ESE i know, like they will interfere in your personal space. Most recently this happens with my landlady, who keeps showing up at my door at random times even tho legally she needs to notify me and can't just expect to be let in simply because i'm being polite. I told her she needs to let me know in advance and not just crowd my space at random, this seemed to go over her head. That's one simple example, hope it makes sense, and i'm sure i'm being reasonable about it.
    You definitly are. That's terrible of your landlady
    Holding your ground and not letting her in unless she "plays by the rules" is the only way I can think of. But that's easier said than done because I'm not in your position.
    Imo Alpha's can be a bit sneaky it the sense that they bend the rules. ESEs can do that, too. I don't know whether they are not aware of this or just selfish. I'm completely powerless against that.
    What would happen if you insist on being notified before you let her in? Is she someone who would kick you out?

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    I had two classmates of those types who got along very well together - but EII could often get tired of the influctions of the ESE, who seemed to lack the control of the procedural situations and really was more in line with how people ''felt''. So a mirage relation. EII clearly noticed the lack of T more in ESE than the other way around, at least from an external POV.
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    ESEs are usually quite attuned to other people's needs; although they're often tenacious and do like to control the day-to-day agenda, they're normally quick at recognizing boundaries. Most ESEs will tell you quite clearly from where they're coming and to where they're going while EIIs have a tendency to expect that others will divine everything out of the ether (those imperceptible EII hints). EIIs usually are the directors of these relationships while ESEs the workhorses, but EIIs need to state their requirements in very concrete terms and avoid preaching or giving ultimatums out of the blue, which can be challenges for them. These relationships have good potential but the difficulty is usually one-way communication.....

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