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    What animes have LIE's as the star of the show? And preferably try not to pick ones that are too weird.

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    Light Yagami of Death Note is my personal favorite.

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    Lelouch from code geas might be one, ohh and maybe Aizen from bleach (not the main guy but whatever).

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    Completely agreed regarding Lelouch from Code Geass; although characters like him tend to suffer from "good at whatever the plot needs right now" disease, I think in typical situations he exhibits very strong Ni/Te vibe.
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    Maybe Zechs from Gundam Wing.
    Possibly Shoryu from 12 Kingdoms.
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    Now that I think on it, FMA was pretty darn gamma. Not sure on who was the LIE on the protag side there. Mustang is a strong candidate, but Edward is also a strong case. Can't really nail down Al's type though. I sympathized with him the hardest, but I can't quite tell ya why. Though that scene with Lust really resonated with me hardcore. Dude did what I hope I'd do in that situation. Man, that's some good storytelling. If only current Hollywood could even grasp 50 percent of that...

    They won't of course, given as they are all fucking death cultists who hate people like me who just want a good story full stop. But hey, at least they're all about to go just as broke as they see themselves as "woke".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    Lelouch from code geas might be one, ohh and maybe Aizen from bleach (not the main guy but whatever).
    I think the main guy from Bleach (Ichigo) is actually -LIE.


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    Asking which anime's have LIE's as the antagonists would be a much easier question to answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    Asking which anime's have LIE's as the antagonists would be a much easier question to answer
    Very, very true.

    I actually thought of this myself upon first reading the thread, but I wanted to see if there were any LIE protagonists in anime without diverting attention from the question.

    Seems not. At least, not for sure.

    Someday, someday, we’ll get credit for something other than inventing Banks, interest charges, and mortgage backed securities.

    Hmmm. Guess if we want a better rep, we should try being better people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Someday, someday, we’ll get credit for something other than inventing Banks, interest charges, and mortgage backed securities.
    This is the darkest, blackest joke I have ever read in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    I think the main guy from Bleach (Ichigo) is actually -LIE.
    Pretty sure hes ESI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post

    Someday, someday, we’ll get credit for something other than inventing Banks, interest charges, and mortgage backed securities.

    Hmmm. Guess if we want a better rep, we should try being better people.
    Stereotypes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Hmmm. Guess if we want a better rep, we should try being better people.
    "Better" by what metric? IMO, that metric should be defined by the extent to which LIEs (or any other sociotype, for that matter) fulfill our ego functions, first and foremost. If we were meant to be "good" at "people" stuff, we'd be EIEs. We're "good" and contribute to society/humanity/our species in our own niche way (or else we would not exist)--whether we are readily appreciated for that or not is another matter. It's a bit unfair/unreasonable to (generally) hold ourselves to lofty moralistic standards and concerns that may contradict our prime directives--there are many unpleasant chores attached to "living" that must be done, though they may not readily "feel good" to those who benefit. Ultimately, I'm not that concerned with being "liked" and "loved" and I refuse to let that motivate my behavior; I'd rather be perceived as a nasty bastard who is, at the very least, respected and called upon for his effectiveness than being widely seen as a nice person, though objectively "useless."

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    @Adam Strange, do you think Chara from Undertale was LIE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterPrincipleTwo View Post
    @Adam Strange, do you think Chara from Undertale was LIE?
    I really have no idea. I never played that game, and I believe it is next to impossible to type anime characters unless the writers know Socionics and the characters have some scope to display the characteristics of their types.

    I think Hans Gruber in Die Hard was LIE because he displayed many of the characteristics of LIEs, but he was an antagonist, not a protagonist, and Die Hard is not an anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Very, very true.

    I actually thought of this myself upon first reading the thread, but I wanted to see if there were any LIE protagonists in anime without diverting attention from the question.

    Seems not. At least, not for sure.

    Someday, someday, we’ll get credit for something other than inventing Banks, interest charges, and mortgage backed securities.

    Hmmm. Guess if we want a better rep, we should try being better people.
    Nah, don't be part of the sheeple. It's what makes your type so great imo.
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    Erwin Smith (Attack on Titan). Thought him LSE long ago, but this was wrong.

    While not 'the' show's protagonist, he's worthy of mention.

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    IF someone didn't already say, the guy in Berserk is an LIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterPrincipleTwo View Post
    @Adam Strange, do you think Chara from Undertale was LIE?
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    Shut the fuck up, dumbass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    Asking which anime's have LIE's as the antagonists would be a much easier question to answer
    Well, I hate to say it but us Gamma's do make for some darn good villains/anti-heroes. Hopefully somebody will pen a story that reverses this unfortunate fact and brings to the fore the qualities that are most epic and heroic about my quadra. All it takes is one famous/infamous story that the general public learns of somehow to affect a major cultural shift.

    For instance, people used to name their girls "Lolita" with some frequency. They don't do that anymore. Why? That one pervert and that book he wrote. That's it really. Just one story told by some random mofo and boom, nobody dares use that name for their offspring again. Even I wouldn't, because defiance for defiance's sake feels a bit too much like I'm imitating Lucifer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfckrz View Post
    Erwin Smith (Attack on Titan). Thought him LSE long ago, but this was wrong.

    While not 'the' show's protagonist, he's worthy of mention.
    Why do you type him LIE instead of LSE? I also thought of him as LSE all along

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Why do you type him LIE instead of LSE? I also thought of him as LSE all along
    Too stoically serious. Affinity for strategic gambles. Prioritizes theoretical maneuvers over established practices.

    I figure Levi Ackerman for SLI. While unwaveringly loyal to Smith given their history, he's often critical of his decisions—seeing them as too risky, etc. They don't seem like Mirrors at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Well, I hate to say it but us Gamma's do make for some darn good villains/anti-heroes. Hopefully somebody will pen a story that reverses this unfortunate fact and brings to the fore the qualities that are most epic and heroic about my quadra. All it takes is one famous/infamous story that the general public learns of somehow to affect a major cultural shift.

    For instance, people used to name their girls "Lolita" with some frequency. They don't do that anymore. Why? That one pervert and that book he wrote. That's it really. Just one story told by some random mofo and boom, nobody dares use that name for their offspring again. Even I wouldn't, because defiance for defiance's sake feels a bit too much like I'm imitating Lucifer...
    Gamma SFs tend to be heroes quite often, especially in anime, it's primarily the NTs that are made into villains (though SEE's seem to be very common as both heroes and villains). I'd say LIE's tend to rival EIE's for the major super villain/big baddie type characters, at least the most interesting one's that immediately come to mind when you think of a good villain (something about creative Ni and activating Se makes one want to rule the world/leave their mark in a story). And when I think antihero, I think Beta STs. On a side note, does anyone ever see Delta STs or Alpha SFs as major villains? Like minor sure, especially for LSE's but major? Can't think of any at all. An SEI for a major antagonist just sounds wrong.

    On a further side note, Lolita is an amazing novel, cried real baby tears at that ending. Plus the prose is simply beautiful, excluding the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    On a further side note, Lolita is an amazing novel, cried real baby tears at that ending. Plus the prose is simply beautiful, excluding the story.
    Oh I intend to read it sometime. Kinda thinking of becoming a reviewer of fiction recently. Key part of that is enduring trash/shit so that others don't have to. So, if anyone has an idea as to what fiction of any type would prompt me to the deliver a most entertaining critical or enraged rant in your eyes let me know. Because, again, I'm willing to suffer so that you, random strangers (here and everywhere), don't have to. Plus hey, who knows, maybe I make a viral something and become famous enough to finally attain "fuck you" money .

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Oh I intend to read it sometime. Kinda thinking of becoming a reviewer of fiction recently. Key part of that is enduring trash/shit so that others don't have to. So, if anyone has an idea as to what fiction of any type would prompt me to the deliver a most entertaining critical or enraged rant in your eyes let me know. Because, again, I'm willing to suffer so that you, random strangers (here and everywhere), don't have to. Plus hey, who knows, maybe I make a viral something and become famous enough to finally attain "fuck you" money .
    Then best prepare yourself for some 50 Shades of Gray because there certainly is no better book for that purpose. Also a looot of popular teen fiction. Enduring terrible films or games for review is one thing but books? I gave my hats off to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    Then best prepare yourself for some 50 Shades of Gray because there certainly is no better book for that purpose. Also a looot of popular teen fiction. Enduring terrible films or games for review is one thing but books? I gave my hats off to you.
    Terrible films are a passive experience (boring thing I can walk away from). Terrible games are a frustrating experience (frustrating thing I can also just walk away from). TV series are a kind of middle ground between those in my eyes. Books, however, for some reason, are a line for me. Probably because I know full good and well how important they are. The first stories were just words. Eventually, those words got so darn "good" that someone felt the need to find a way to preserve those words beyond the time spent with the speaker of them, perhaps even beyond their death. Hence, writing.

    The written word, then, is the seed. It is the genesis of an enduring culture and, thus, a true civilization as most anyone with half a brain would conceive of one. If a civilization neglects writing, it will die an inglorious death. I mean, imagine a culture/civilization without writing (i.e. an alphabet/cuneiform/hieroglyphs/etc) that endured to the modern era. It... kinda didn't. If it did, well, that's because it never drew the attention of those true civilizations to itself. Even then, it's probably known to them, but just showing up and conquering some rando tribe of stick and rock using hunters is just being a dick to them at their level of advancement (which is trying to find ways around the "rocket equation" so that colonizing other planets will become accessible to the average working class schmuck).

    Also, never gonna review smut (that is but pure smut, the weaboo anime nerd in me is compelled to mention that most all well known/popular VN's contain about 20 minutes of smut and 50+ hours of plot, world building, and character development for some God only knows reason). It's a sin after all and well, let's be honest here, the "great" pornographers of the modern era are oh so very, very poor at their craft. Most of them think that a hot girl flashing her... well y'know, is just the best so just have her do that as much as possible. Fools can't even approach the levels the real life Casanova reached. For him, sex was great and all, but to simply have a conversation with a beautiful woman was pretty much the same as bedding her in his eyes. A lesson to be learned there I'd think for those men who thirst for a beautiful woman in their bed .

    Try and get at her character, who she is as a person. Beauty, after all, can be a curse if you really think on that. To be a perfect 10 hottie, now that I think on it, may be to experience the curse of Midas from a newfound angle...

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    Maybe Picard from Star Trek? I don't know how well-written the character is because I haven't seen that much of TNG, but his ethical speeches, relatively easy-going nature, and acceptance of diversity reminds me of ENTjs. I know people type him LII and ESI, but he's way too conceptual for ESI and not very Ti rules and logic and or very Alpha either.

    Star Trek is kind of cool. It seems to take different personality archetypes and shows how positive they can be, even possible Gamma types. I think TNG is essentially Te/Fi valuing and Star Trek: The Original Series is Ti/Fe valuing by the way.
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    Picard from Star Trek always seemed LIE to me as well, @Dalek Caan.

    his ethical speeches, relatively easy-going nature, and acceptance of diversity reminds me of ENTjs
    Agreed.

    I've seen people type Picard as LSI and ESE...but to me he can only be LIE.

    I think Kirk from the original series seems like the LSI.

    Wasn't this supposed to be about anime?...Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Wasn't this supposed to be about anime?...Oh well.
    Oh yeah, oops. heh.
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