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    After a long wait, Sedenology — now known as Sedecology — is back!

    Sedecology is a social network for typology, where you can type famous people, fictional characters, and people you know, and compare your typings with your friends. It supports Socionics, MBTI, and Enneagram.

    The new url is www.sedecology.com, and the code to sign up is ModelACube.

    You no longer need to log in with Facebook. (Not only is Facebook sketchy when it comes to privacy, an update on their side broke the log in.) However, it is still strongly recommended to at least provide your forum alias after signing up, so that people can type you.

    If you were already a member, you should have received a new username and password via email (at the email you were using for Facebook at the time). Make sure to check your spam inbox, and mark the message as not-spam if necessary.

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    the good would be to add types in current popular networks: general as fb or dating specialized. where are millions of users already
    needs to find ways how to add that

    the largest in Russia is vk.com
    there is an inner app for types (supported by 3rd party owner). but better there was a custom field with multiple variables support or special Jung types field

    "It supports Socionics, MBTI"

    it's the same typology in 2 descriptions

    to make new sites specially for types is doubtful way. not enough people know about them.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    it's the same typology in 2 descriptions
    Here we're at philosophical odds. Can two systems be said to be qualitatively "the same" when they come to differing conclusions, even if they begin from the same premises?
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    @Sol the purpose of the site is not only to label yourself, it's to discuss typings. A dating site would not be suitable for that. And I have no intention of making it any more dependent on Facebook than it was before.

    And I'll have you know, site activity is booming right now, and that's only with socionics people.

    Even if you think MBTI and socionics are the same, lots of people don't, and it's not the purpose of the site to make a statement on that. I'm going to include tritypes at some point even though I think they're complete nonsense. But please, don't derail the thread ( @FreelancePoliceman as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I'm going to include tritypes at some point even though I think they're complete nonsense.
    Lol, thanks for including them though. Why do you think tritypes are nonsense? I think they add a nice amount of nuance to the enneagram which the basic type doesn't capture. Ofc, the enneagram in general isn't very rigorous; I prefer Socionics too, if that's what you mean. However, with where it's at, I think tritypes can be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varlawend View Post
    Lol, thanks for including them though. Why do you think tritypes are nonsense? I think they add a nice amount of nuance to the enneagram which the basic type doesn't capture. Ofc, the enneagram in general isn't very rigorous; I prefer Socionics too, if that's what you mean. However, with where it's at, I think tritypes can be useful.
    You and your "nuances"

    The Enneagram is a shaky foundation, the correct course of action is to try and fix that before building more things on top of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    You and your "nuances"

    The Enneagram is a shaky foundation, the correct course of action is to try and fix that before building more things on top of it.
    It is true, I do love nuance. Maybe a little too much.

    The Enneagram is a spiritual symbol and tradition at heart. I'm not sure how well I understand it. The typology, like Socionics, has many voices, but there are people doing interesting things with it, like Katherine Fauvre (including connecting it with microexpressions and other visual signs), and she is the one that came up with tritype in its current form (although trifix may have existed long before her, and has to do with one's type in each "Center"). She claims to have done a lot of research on the Enneagram; I assume she's telling the truth. But you might take issue with her research. Still, it might be worth learning about. I'm no expert just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    the purpose of the site is not only to label yourself, it's to discuss typings
    What Socionics needs is a big database of people with identified types. A big social network where people know about types and may use them. Application: researches, marriages, self-development, types study.

    To discuss typings there are forums. Also there is no good objective basis to discuss typings, - too much of subjectivity in the process. There is too much of intuitive and speculative approach + the lack of trusty and enough data in offline typing what makes discussions rather useless from objective point.

    The more acceptable way than discussions is to give people a tests, where it's possibly. There are different tests today, including my raw IR test.
    For famouses it's hard to do. To some degree, types of famouses mb checked with average accuracy and indirrectly by inputing them in IR tests.

    As to discuss typing. This will be more a play in words to convince someone, than objectively useful talking. Objectivity is needed higher to discuss something. With average typing match of alike 17% in IRL interviews the objectivity is evident to be low.
    At 1st you need to gather people with good typing matches at least. Blind/real/independent matches. Only then you'll have a possibility to discuss with them typing. This still may to have a lack of objectivity, but at least in those group people will have a consensus of typing approach.
    So if you want discussions - at 1st makes experiments to find people with good typing matches by the methods you plan to use in your discussions. I suspect you'll get hard troubles to find at least 3 humans who have typing matches between them >75% on >=10 persons.

    In other case it will be another talkings for talkings about types. Check real typing matches after those talkings to see the progress, - the practical sense of those discussions, the improvement of typing matches. At now all typers pairs seems to have <40% of real typing matches. Those typers have no basis to understand each other, they may study nothing from discussions.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    At 1st you need to gather people with good typing matches at least. Blind/real/independent matches. Only then you'll have a possibility to discuss with them typing. This still may to have a lack of objectivity, but at least in those group people will have a consensus of typing approach.
    So if you want discussions - at 1st makes experiments to find people with good typing matches by the methods you plan to use in your discussions. I suspect you'll get hard troubles to find at least 3 humans who have typing matches between them >75% on >=10 persons.
    Sedecology has already been used for benchmarks with minimum 3 typings and 75% convergence, with far, far in excess of 10 people in the results. Several hundred actually.

    It turns out when you exclude people who use VI and don't understand Model A you can get pretty good convergence

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    so in many cases there this thingy where people have found relationship between Fibonacci numbers and petals of various flowers... ok that seems to be countable and there exists similar occurrences in various fields however enneagram relies on something like there is enneagram and everything is supposed to be one type through something... maybe I should say discretization method [as traits are multidimensional and from quite unimaginable blob and in the end that is projected onto two dimensional plane with nice regularly placed points, I find this quite funny] that seems to be quite undocumented, lol. Not that socionics is hugely better...
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    I joined as theperpetualnow

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    Also, Enneagram instincts have been implemented, and wings are in the works.

    Plus, there is a feature that shows which people are the most commonly typed on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    @Tallmo

    you guys may be interested in this, also everyone who wanted to join before but didn't want to use Facebook:
    I don't think I can take any more distractions if I am supposed to have any real life. This forum is more than enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I don't think I can take any more distractions if I am supposed to have any real life. This forum is more than enough.
    Fair enough! I will note however that it's intended to be a more serious kind of forum (and it is, due to how it's structured).

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    Sedecology.com is full of fake socionics (here too thanks to Ausra lackeys like hotelambush and migraters from bullshit socionics society). All anti-VI, anti-reinin, anti-Jung socionic defilers will love it on sedecology.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    Sedecology.com is full of fake socionics (here too thanks to Ausra lackeys like hotelambush and migraters from bullshit socionics society). All anti-VI, anti-reinin, anti-Jung socionic defilers will love it on sedecology.com.
    The site can be used for any interpretation of socionics that you like. You can even choose to hide all of our activity and start your own cult there

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    Is there a way to retrieve a forgotten password?
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Is there a way to retrieve a forgotten password?
    I'm working on it, but for now I can PM/email you a new password if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I'm working on it, but for now I can PM/email you a new password if you need it.
    yeah that would be good, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    yeah that would be good, thanks
    ok, you should have received an email with your password.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    ok, you should have received an email with your password.
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    You are either a certain type or you are not, there is no "voting" system as if in a democratic election. You don't say that if 7 out 10 people vote on a certain type, then that makes it 70% likely that the typing is correct or something like that. In reality, someone is a certain type or isn't. There is no such "probability" in real life. You are not "70%" something, and that literally makes no sense.

    That's why in actual science, you have a theory, and then virtually anyone can contribute to it by criticizing the theory - even a hobo on the street can do it. And all the scientists will, and indeed must, take it seriously if the criticism proves to be fatal. You can't just ignore it and push it aside because it's minority opinion. Because again, something either is, or isn't.

    If 3 out of 10 people criticize the typing, then that criticism must be taken seriously. If ignored because of majority voting, then you'd be ignoring reality.

    You don't have a voting system that have all the scientists taking a poll and saying that a theory is 70% likely to be correct - that is pure nonsense. There is no such thing.

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