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    In what ways is the Sexual Four the counter type? I read something about Sx 4s being counter-envy but didn't understand it, because Sp 4s are known as the counter type because of their stoicism.

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    Sp 4s are known as the "counter-type" because they merely don't really act outwardly like 4s. They want to suffer in silence, so they won't necessarily project their sadness and shame outwards, which makes them the counter-type, because they become hard to identify at a first glance. However they're still driven by shame, and are still compliant to it. They merely seek to stockpile on negative feelings and experiences, because it makes them feel like they're "atoning for their sins".

    Sx 4s, however, still look very much like 4s so they're not exactly a countertype ; but they are kind of what cp6 is to 6, as in they throw themselves into their shame and are constantly in search of what is the missing piece : their main motivation is to find what it is exactly they're missing, and make it their own. They can be extremely possessive and jealous once they feel like they have it, while simultaneously being scared that they're unworthy of having it ; making up for some toxic behaviour when very unhealthy (this is Naranjo's and Chestnut's descriptions of the "mad 4"). They're driven by a desire to counteract their shame, to find the solution to it and to fix it. In that way, since they're going directly in the face of their core emotion, they're counterphobic and as such counter-envy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishura View Post
    Sp 4s are known as the "counter-type" because they merely don't really act outwardly like 4s. They want to suffer in silence, so they won't necessarily project their sadness and shame outwards, which makes them the counter-type, because they become hard to identify at a first glance. However they're still driven by shame, and are still compliant to it. They merely seek to stockpile on negative feelings and experiences, because it makes them feel like they're "atoning for their sins".

    Sx 4s, however, still look very much like 4s so they're not exactly a countertype ; but they are kind of what cp6 is to 6, as in they throw themselves into their shame and are constantly in search of what is the missing piece : their main motivation is to find what it is exactly they're missing, and make it their own. They can be extremely possessive and jealous once they feel like they have it, while simultaneously being scared that they're unworthy of having it ; making up for some toxic behaviour when very unhealthy (this is Naranjo's and Chestnut's descriptions of the "mad 4"). They're driven by a desire to counteract their shame, to find the solution to it and to fix it. In that way, since they're going directly in the face of their core emotion, they're counterphobic and as such counter-envy.
    Wow. This is extremely insightful. Thank You!

    Also, what variation would this bring to an Sx/sp?

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