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    Perhaps someone would be willing to help me with these thoughts I've been shuffling around.

    My current self-typing of LII seems generally accurate enough, but, as always, I hold a few reservations. Mostly I've been thinking about the vulnerable function; Se PoLR I'm not sure is entirely accurate. Se doesn't, I think, make me feel particularly vulnerable or insecure -- maybe to an extent (I doubt it's a valued function, but if so it's fairly weak), but not to the extent that it's described, surely. Where I feel most vulnerable, rather, is Fe. When I was a child, Fe would make me tense up; I irrationally hated it beyond what was reasonable. Pleasantries, small talk, and such made my feelings alternate between wanting to run away, wanting to die immediately, and wishing someone would hit the person emanating the Fe with a hammer. As such I developed a strong preference and attraction toward Fi types, who felt safer and more "real".

    This should indicate SLI or ILI, but A) neither typing seems to fit (I can explain why, but it would detract from the post to explain why they don't here), and B) My personality when I was a child was quite different than my present one, due to stressful factors I'd rather not talk about. I was consciously aware that my personality was altered, and I thought of it as a defense mechanism to protect my "real" self. Now that I've left my parents' house, I wonder if I adopted the functions in my id block to do this. I did act and feel, I think, fairly similarly as an ILI -- down to the feeling of noticeably weak, half-flickering attempts at Se which ILIs generally emanate. Has anyone heard of anything similar to this; i.e., adoption of id functions when stressed?

    But I think it might be possible that I'm wrong, for these reasons. First, when meeting people, I'm quite stiff and come across as being overly formal -- I'm both aware of this, and have been told so many times. I believe this to be because I'm self-conscious regarding the "acceptability" of my presence/action/appearance. Second, people who are very sociable still strike a chord of insecurity somewhere inside my heart -- though the more I think on it, the less I'm convinced this is triggered by Fe itself, since SEEs invoke this often, but perhaps it's still a form of aversion to the domain of Fe? Regardless, I don't tend to feel nearly as strongly against Fe as I did when I was a child, and the sensation is quite different. But in any case, this has a similar cause as the former; the insecurity stems from a fear of not being socially "acceptable"; good enough, in a way. This fear persists even when I dislike or think poorly of the person in question, barring outright hatred. Thirdly, if I'm SLI, I'd relate to seeking Ne/Fi; I tend to feel as if I need more of both in my life. I do tend to quite like ENFPs, and they do feel genuinely refreshing in a way that I don't feel often, so duality's not out of the question. I do feel I'd be bothered by ENFPs' flightiness in a long-term relationship, but what do I know.

    Anyway, I feel these problems have to do with my misunderstanding of Socionics, or myself, so I'd appreciate any feedback, including "Get out of your head, jackass; you're clearly just x."

    Edit: I don't think I initially made this clear enough: since I left my parents' house, Fe has been bothering me increasingly less. The other day I met an ESE and talked with her some, and was surprised how well I felt and got along with her, since that hasn't been the case in the past.
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    When I was a child, Fe would make me tense up; I irrationally hated it beyond what was reasonable. Pleasantries, small talk, and such made my feelings alternate between wanting to run away, wanting to die immediately, and wishing someone would hit the person emanating the Fe with a hammer. As such I developed a strong preference and attraction toward Fi types, who felt safer and more "real".


    I can relate. I carpool with somebody that's likely an LSE or ESE and he talks alot about everything from what he ate to what he's done that day and all the stories and jokes and his church and everything he wants to talk about and he's a great person and all that, but inside I just don't really enjoy that. I sometimes wonder what he'd think about me if he knew that often I'll spend days at home working in my garage or building electronics for stuff without any human contact. Superego stuff is tiring.

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    the insecurity stems from a fear of not being socially "acceptable"; good enough, in a way.
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    It's interesting that you put it this way. I think that's why I usually like SEEs; they don't at all seem to give a shit about that. But with Fe valuers, it seems to be much more important to them. You sound like you relate a lot more with Fe Polr.

    But I don't think Socionics is prescriptive enough to know if a type can adopt their ID and what that would even mean, outside a type change (which isn't against Jungian thought or anything for all the naysayers and such).
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    blame the merry quadras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post

    I can relate. I carpool with somebody that's likely an LSE or ESE and he talks alot about everything from what he ate to what he's done that day and all the stories and jokes and his church and everything he wants to talk about and he's a great person and all that, but inside I just don't really enjoy that. I sometimes wonder what he'd think about me if he knew that often I'll spend days at home working in my garage or building electronics for stuff without any human contact. Superego stuff is tiring.
    Lol, I relate, though I think LSEs aren't quite as likely to just keep talking in the way of ESEs.

    It's interesting that you put it this way. I think that's why I usually like SEEs; they don't at all seem to give a shit about that. But with Fe valuers, it seems to be much more important to them. You sound like you relate a lot more with Fe Polr.
    Right; I'm unsure whether it's Fe PoLR or something else, possibly non-type-related, that I feel.

    But I don't think Socionics is prescriptive enough to know if a type can adopt their ID and what that would even mean, outside a type change (which isn't against Jungian thought or anything for all the naysayers and such).
    It wouldn't be a type change so much as feeling pressured to act like another type before reverting to a 'real' one.

    Thanks for replying.
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    i mean you have a avatar pic of an old nerdy guy with glasses pretty sure ur LII now

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    to get a help - give your video
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    i mean you have a avatar pic of an old nerdy guy with glasses pretty sure ur LII now
    Lol. He's Eugene Debs, and I'm fairly sure he was SEE.
    How stupid and shortsighted the ruling class really is! Cupidity is stone blind. It has no vision. The greedy, profit-seeking exploiter cannot see beyond the end of his nose. He can see a chance for an “opening”; he is cunning enough to know what graft is and where it is, and how it can be secured, but vision he has none—not the slightest. He knows nothing of the great throbbing world that spreads out in all directions. He has no capacity for literature; no appreciation of art; no soul for beauty. That is the penalty the parasites pay for the violation of the laws of life.

    — Eugene V. Debs

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Lol. He's Eugene Debs, and I'm fairly sure he was SEE.
    yeah 100% SEE

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