Its gotten to the point where all Se is demonized, even on this forum, where people can't even have a conversation about what it is at the level of definition. People are stuck on "grab em by the pussy" and that is about as far as people want to understand it.


'Good Se' is like idk, a hot Chad taking off his shirt and letting somebody (consensually of course) touch/lick it for mutual pleasure. 'Bad Se' is forcing yourself against somebody's will just cuz it would give you a narcissistic sense of thrill, ie a complete rapist douche. Good Se truly protects the vulnerable in an inspiring way you can really feel, bad Se just exploits all"weakness" for a sense of rush and to have some shadow side fulfilled or something and I think SLE males often are oscillating between the two.

When Se is good, its often not recognized or noticeable or valued in society but when it's bad- it sticks out like an obvious demon bad guy.

People are really turned off by 'bad Se' I think because of how physically violating it truly is, and then kind of all Se gets tainted by comparison- and who wants to be defined as a mere animal due to their physical impulses. We are humans, we don't do things just cuz they feel good, we also analyze the consequences and outcomes, its actually a good thing that human beings don't really 'live in the moment' compared to other animals. 'Good Se' is also about strategically maneuvering physical objects to a favorable outcome, but then again so is Te, so it gets further muddled.