Quote Originally Posted by Blackberry View Post

ok, I don't think quadra values are the "evil" in society. Saying that Christianity is Delta and Marxism is beta (for example) or something, as seems to not match historical reality at all. I talk about X movement as a fake creation or mass manipulation because I've seen more profs of it than the opposite. I'm not demonizing hierarchy or powerful/rich ppl or quadra values.I'm speaking about what some of ppl have actually and literally said, and that's even written in stone. Nothing more. If someone wants to keep a biased view of reality just based in their own interpretations of culture, that's ok for me, but there's a lot of proofs out there.
As for what you were saying about the catholic church you mention as "christianity" has nothing of delta values, also "guilt" is not delta. I know ppl from all the other quadras who works a lot in it. In the same way, I doubt that public executions, mysticism, lavish constructions and tons of liturgy are delta values. Then, you are speaking about church in the middle ages, I'm talking about what's happening now in our reality. So, in this same way, backlashing christianity is a trend as you can see with movements as feminism and media.

Being said all of that I'm out of this derail.


I did not mean to label those things to one quadra, i guess all of them have their flaws and downsides as much as they have their upsides.
I guess Christianity was in the very beginning Beta, and alpha probably too, i guess most religious systems are mostly alpha ideas derived by a beta structure to become spread. Religion is all abut Ti consistency as far as my judgement is right.

I think there are a lot of different evil plans written down, even i could write a evil plan down and only because it matches with what happens to a big observable part it does not have to be true at it's root or at the invisible parts of it.
Here we are back at consistent Ti-systems.
I also want to close this derailment simply with the statement that it was not my intent to label a specific bad in the world as bound to quadra, even though there are a lot of tendencies of movements for their quadra, good evil happens in every quadra.






Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
Its gotten to the point where all Se is demonized, even on this forum, where people can't even have a conversation about what it is at the level of definition. People are stuck on "grab em by the pussy" and that is about as far as people want to understand it. As far as the masculinity issue is concerned it actually is a real up and coming issue in society. I think it would be good to balance back out along with some healthy feminism, see Paglia's version for it, because I think her's is the most healthy and realistic.

As far as ADD is concerned I'm on the fence about it..because I grew up with a parent and a brother who have ADHD BAD, like mood control growing up with a nightmare, he got kicked out of schools for being triggered, but EVENTUALLY and with lots of hard ship, he found his way as an adult. He drives B-Trains, married a molecular biologist, and plays and owns about a 100 board games and 5000 magic cards or something. Major dork but smart as hell. Parent went into the civil services and fire rescue, which from what I understand has a ton of ADD people because they are able to quickly change gears in reality.

I have a bit of ADD but my will power was astronomical growing up and I sat beside creeks and painfully learned to master the art of focus. Mine was more the female version as they say, the more introverted kind.

I think there is a distinction between Ne ADD and Se ADD and Si ADD and Te and so on.

Ne ADD is well known here on the forum: rapidly changing topics, catching extroverted intuition in the environment.

I think what is less talked about it Se ADD. It and Ne 'looks' the same on the surface, if you were to see Se/Ne ADD faces they would look similar: darting eyes- dopamine triggers, twitching, fidgety, ect.

Se ADD is more sensate object awareness, so much incoming information, including inner sensing info, which is also {object-i-fied} and in our world's lots is going on nowadays. Se ADD is a bit of a super power and it can be overwhelming to other individuals around them. These types of people are powerful in a traditional sense of the word. They are relentless.

All ADD on the forum is classed under Ne information and I think this is incorrect.
In my opinion ADHD is mostly a misdiagnosis.
What you are describing also sounds a lot like high IQ which correlates with strong willpower, fast associative thinking and being critical of authority which can all make a look a lot like someone with adhd.
Absent mindedness due to strong intuition can give this thing a more add-y touch.

https://www.nagc.org/resources-publi...ed-individuals
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/GiftedProblems.pdf

Autistic traits such as strong interests as you can see them with your brother are also often a part of giftedness just as much as high sensitivity to sensory stimuli and extremely strong emotions.

I'm not saying that giftedness is always the reason for an ADD/ADHD misdiagnosis, PTBS due to child abuse and other things also often is.
Also an environment that fails to cater to completely normal masculine traits and a society where youth grows up fatherless can cause a lot of this thing.
For me ADHD stays an excuse to drug kids who are put in a distressing and harmful for them environment, since a lot of those drugs are neuroprotective, it may also has it's upside but for me it gave people around me a means to justify their abuse and play 'poor me'.