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    Both IEI and EII are called fawning lackeys by the other. (Socionics Russian literature) Maybe that is their social roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Don't take this stuff too seriously, it's about as accurate and useful as astrology.

    But then again some people on here think astrology is very accurate and useful.
    There's a lot more depth and information in typology than astrology. There's also many theories out there. I'm not saying any of them are 100% true but there's a clear difference between typology and astrology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    to bring beliefs in unicorns
    This actually reminds me of one of my favourite scenes from movies and books:

    All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."

    REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.

    "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"

    YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.

    "So we can believe the big ones?"

    YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.

    "They're not the same at all!"

    YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.

    "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"

    MY POINT EXACTLY
    "The Hogfather" by T. Pratchett.

    You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?
    4w3 7w6 9w1 so/sx

    "You see, there are still faint glimmers of civilization left in this barbaric slaughterhouse that was once known as humanity. Indeed that's what we provide in our own modest, humble, insignificant... oh, fuck it."

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    Bend over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    great stuff. I call this mission the cross that IEI carry.

    Ghandi, IEI, said:

    happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.

    It sounds like Fi value statement on the surface with ever increasing ideals with convictions, but it’s really more about Ni Fe, because it doesn’t say anything about the content of those harmonies, like pity, understanding, compassion, empathy, moral certitude which would make it more about Fi convictions, only the act of doing it is crucial. Although all types can feel those convictions. The point here is harmony of that inside world and as IEI age they see that mission as important in conjunction with their outside world situation if they are inclined to do so. Screwing up, or drifting gets you no where.

    I think beta NFS suffer particularly strongly with this knowledge of themselves in totality stretching from childhood onwards and trying to merge that with reality. See sequential memory.

    I think this is why efforts at self betterment are both celebrated and ignored by beta STs. Celebrated because they are not over concerned or focused on the people around them level of worldly successes in The material realm: the ST can handle that themselves. So weaknesses here from IEI are taken as triumphs when small worldly tasks or big ones get accomplished. What STs really need is a side kick that makes them happy. Its not complicated. Which leads into why betterment is ignored, because SLEs take up a big block of attention and energy and having your own projects with your own life that takes away time and energy away from them would be against this basic program. This is even accented in greater degree in SLE female and IEI male relationships.
    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    Both IEI and EII are called fawning lackeys by the other. (Socionics Russian literature) Maybe that is their social roles.
    Generally I like what these posts are saying but I’m not sure I need someone to just fawn over me all the time. That’s probably more like LSE. It could be a subtype thing or whatever, but I value ambition and success a lot in men (and women) I’ve realized. I need to have relationships that are centered around supporting each other in achieving these ambitions, and where self-betterment is a necessity. I’m always attracted to people who are trying and in the middle of achieving big scale dreams from relatively somewhat humble beginnings. What I don’t care about I suppose are unique artistic projects; I mean no problem if it’s what other people are into, it’s just not personally attractive for me.

    However, I do think it’s true that I take up a lot of “space” and need a lot of space... idk how else to put it. Someone who uses and takes up a lot of space and energy too is burn-outy for me. A relationship can be maintained but there needs to be lots of space between us.

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    Welcome to Ni beta shit brah.its freaky Lol . Quadra and social mission is always there,even if socioics don't exist. Socioics just make note out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Sequential memory and value judgements. IEI is top tier at making subjective evaluations on actions and juxtaposing them with ideals.

    If theres any social mission IEI is particularly equipped to handle, its adapting themselves into a good person adhering to their ideals. However, thats only true if theyre strong enough to honestly confront themselves about the negatives they bring into the world with their actions. Most people(IEIs included) are not.

    TL;DR - Embodying the character of someone who makes the world a better place, for others to learn from.
    thats Fi lead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    thats Fi lead
    No it isn't, his description is a very good one of IEI imo

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    out of Filatova's book


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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    out of Filatova's book

    I had business and Administration lectures (and we had to do some practice). It was the worst experience in college. Now I'm studying Computer Engineering

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    I remember correctly, you've been a tour guide too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    I remember correctly, you've been a tour guide too?
    Not yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    What contributions can IEIs give to the world right now? How can they be useful in the short-term? What kind of service could an IEI start doing right now with NiFe (or just Ni)?
    Ultimately your social mission is up to you if you consciously choose one, otherwise it will come to you as instinctively as breathing. You may not even notice you are already fulfilling it.

    This pretty much applies to most people.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Generally I like what these posts are saying but I’m not sure I need someone to just fawn over me all the time. That’s probably more like LSE. It could be a subtype thing or whatever, but I value ambition and success a lot in men (and women) I’ve realized.
    Here is the quote from a VK socionics site:

    "In conflict dyads there is an almost identical view of the opposing dyad, which goes something like this:

    Zhukov and Esenin vs. Stirlitz and Dostoevsky

    Us: the almighty god of Olympus and his favorite kind gentle pussy.
    Them: a cruel tyrant and his useless fawning lackey.

    "

    I see the IEI as a more gang tagalong version of a fawney lackey. The court jester. Or the mysterious hot girl that gets everyone.

    The LSE EII version is more about the project managers right hand man/woman.

    Both versions basically play 'the bestie' role.

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    @silke


    This is just fun--->

    This was posted by an EIE in one of the VK socionics groups:


    "In conflict dyads there is an almost identical view of the opposing dyad, which goes something like this:

    Hugo and Robespierre vs. Napoleon and Balzac

    Us: one very smart dude, and the other's all hip and the soul of any company.
    Them: two grimacing idiots.

    Zhukov and Esenin vs. Stirlitz and Dostoevsky

    Us: the almighty god of Olympus and his favorite kind gentle pusechka.
    Them: a cruel tyrant and his useless fawning lackey.

    Don Quixote and Dumas vs. Jack and Dreiser

    Us: an unrivaled genius and a "grey cardinal".
    Them: a vulgar clod with a stick up one place and a desperate housewife.

    Hamlet and Maxim vs. Huxley and Gabin

    Us: an artful manipulator and a chill hero of "Equilibrium".
    Them: a quarrelsome histrionic and an object of furniture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaderLightChange View Post
    No it isn't, his description is a very good one of IEI imo
    Nope

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    @Megatrop Your phraseology doesn't seem IEI-like although your questions seem to have that tinge of IEI self-doubt.

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...iption-by-I-O?

    a.k.a. I/O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    @Megatrop Your phraseology doesn't seem IEI-like although your questions seem to have that tinge of IEI self-doubt.

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...iption-by-I-O?

    a.k.a. I/O
    That was good to read. This text reminds me of the INFJ's descriptions from MBTI (but less idealized), that I used to read and identified myself with.
    Last edited by Megatrop; 04-30-2019 at 09:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    @Megatrop Your phraseology doesn't seem IEI-like although your questions seem to have that tinge of IEI self-doubt.

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...iption-by-I-O?

    a.k.a. I/O
    Agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Jesus Christ... this is some seriously disturbing cultist religious shit.

    Saying that there's some sort a divine social "mission" to a "type" is some ISIS level freakishness.

    It's like as if people with their own individuality and uniqueness need to be "fitted in" to some grand plan that is "written out" by Socionics.

    Creating "purpose" is on the level of religion and spirituality, not something that is supposedly scientific or even philosophical. No wonder that some people are so attracted to Socionics in a fanatic way: they're looking for a religion to guide them.

    However it's worse than a religion, since at least religion is something that's personal and private. But because of its pseudo-scientific bent, it's taking everyone around them with them and forcing others to fit into this peculiar system.
    No. It's just a thread from someone who thinks that has wasted a lot of potential in life and wants to make some meaningful impact. It's not about purpose. It's about recognizing what's already there, a tendency among a certain type to play a certain role. It is a metaphorical term that emphazises the areas in life that have a lot of potential, a possible path of least resistance. PLEASE, DON'T TAKE THE WORD "MISSION" TOO LITERALLY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    What contributions can IEIs give to the world right now? How can they be useful in the short-term? What kind of service could an IEI start doing right now with NiFe (or just Ni)?
    become good at something, continue to improve it, use it to add value to other peoples lives(or to make money, which is the smarter option)and don't let socionics define your limits. Also, just because IEIs are Fs doesn't mean they owe society anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Too much crack babe


    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Sequential memory and value judgements. IEI is top tier at making subjective evaluations on actions and juxtaposing them with ideals.

    If theres any social mission IEI is particularly equipped to handle, its adapting themselves into a good person adhering to their ideals. However, thats only true if theyre strong enough to honestly confront themselves about the negatives they bring into the world with their actions. Most people(IEIs included) are not.

    TL;DR - Embodying the character of someone who makes the world a better place, for others to learn from.


    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    thats Fi lead


    Quote Originally Posted by LeaderLightChange View Post
    No it isn't, his description is a very good one of IEI imo

    *takes another hit off the crack pipe*


    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    otherwise it will come to you as instinctively as breathing. You may not even notice you are already fulfilling it.

    This pretty much applies to most people.
    Very interesting

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