EII Healer role

[Shytan]

I've read about EIIs having a healer role (as well as a mediator role) from so many articles. What does this mean? How does this apply?

[Smilex]

It's more of an IJ- fi-subtype thing.
As you interpret people's actions in a light that is socially acceptable, you can make others accept a thing which was previously considered unacceptable in society.

Here's an example:
https://www.thisisinsider.com/photo-...nt-1987-2017-8

It's healing the society. It's also healing people's minds when they feel accepted.

[roger557]

I'm having a romantic venture with an c-eii-fi as of late, and it seems finally I'm getting healed. So far the only girl that has been able to, up until now i was always the one doing the healing.

[Shytan]

I'm having a romantic venture with an c-eii-fi as of late, and it seems finally I'm getting healed. So far the only girl that has been able to, up until now i was always the one doing the healing.

How so? Could you give me situations irl?

[Beautiful sky]

I guess the medical or medicinal recipes that I write down or read allows me to pull some magic tricks out of a box and heal people

For instance my mother who refuses to go to the doctor (she’s ILI) had a rather bad infection. With home remedies I had read about I was successfully able to drain it. With my mil or anyone close to me I pay particular attention to their needs. With my mil, she’s diabetic so I am aware of their needs, diet, potential advancements in technology and medicine that may help them.

I don’t know I’m naturally nurturing (that’s what husband says). I can recognize when he’ll be eating too much bad fats and will get stomach pain so I am ready to help by having stuff necessary for stomach issues on hand.

[roger557]

You don't seem to know what we are talking about maritsa. We're talking about emotional healing..

[Beautiful sky]

With emotional healing I can listen to someone speak for hours about their troubles. I’m patient so it helps. Emotions are tough. My sister lost her cool at the recent party. Her daughter stresses her out so what I did was create a comfortable spot for her daughter to lay on and sympathized with her about her troubles but also got her up to dance and have her time. She left happy.

My husband gets sentimental and teary eyed too at times and what he gets is usually a hug and validation or confirmation.


Yes I guess my ability to look in their eyes and let them feel okay with their troubles and even ask them questions about it helps them speak and feel better

[Number 9 large]

I've read about EIIs having a healer role (as well as a mediator role) from so many articles. What does this mean? How does this apply?

Thats SEI

[Beautiful sky]

Thats SEI

SEI are helpful too but they often don’t approach people on their own accord. They wait to be approached. However if I hear that my cousin had a miscarriage and is experiencing depression I am the first one to show up at her door with some of her favorite foods and listen to her speak about what she’s going through. This is the difference between me and my SEI cousins. Also I’m not authoritative in my approach. The two SEI are all about the latest fads “Oprah said depressed people are like this so if you are depressed you are like this.” It often makes people upset when they are not like that but SEI keeps fast to their adopted beliefs. I don’t. I listen to my interlocutor and allow them to reach certain states by asking carefully directed questions

[Number 9 large]

if I hear that my cousin had a miscarriage and is experiencing depression I am the first one to show up at her door with some of her favorite foods

Yeah cuz ur ESE

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah cuz ur ESE

Nah my ESE sister would automatically joke and tease to uplift the mood. She can also get nasty and bring down the emotions of others who are depressed. Depends what she believes in. If she doesn’t believe that you are depressed she can use harmful words that cut people’ up like a knife. I am gentle. My sister doesn’t know what gentle is

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah cuz ur ESE

This is ESE

The ESE is emotional and communicative. Knows how to lift the mood, to cheer up other people. Enjoys talking about his contacts and acquaintances. His emotions change sharply: at times he is lighthearted and friendly, other times he is hot-tempered and angry. Pays attention to manners and correctness of behavior of people around him.

[Number 9 large]

This is ESE

The ESE is emotional and communicative. Knows how to lift the mood, to cheer up other people. Enjoys talking about his contacts and acquaintances. His emotions change sharply: at times he is lighthearted and friendly, other times he is hot-tempered and angry. Pays attention to manners and correctness of behavior of people around him.

Ur really stupid arent you

[Beautiful sky]

My SLI’s aunt’s son committed suicide. She lives with the SLI. The depression is really bothering the SLI and the mood has become uncomfortable for him. He asked me “M you have studied psychology what can I do to help her?” I asked him to switch places with me. I would get her to feel better by careful and strategic maneuvers

[FreelancePoliceman]

It means take the article with a grain of salt, and that it's written by someone caught up in woo and mysticism. EIIs are often pretty cool when they aren't too caught up in themselves, but they're not more mystical or more special than anyone else.

[Ryan]

Maritsa makes a good case of why you should never take socionics too seriously. I feel tired just from reading her posts.

[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa makes a good case of why you should never take socionics too seriously. I feel tired just from reading her posts.

Hum maybe you have an asymmetric relationship to me

[Ryan]

Hum maybe you have an asymmetric relationship to me

I don't know what that means.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't know what that means.

We have an undesirable adverse relationship

[Adam Strange]

I don't know what that means.

Asymmetric relationships are either Benefit or Supervision. Those are the two relationships where the two people feel differently about each other. For example, as my Supervisor ex-wife's Supervisee, I had only admiration for her, while she (as my Supervisor) thought I was an idiot.

The mutual assessments in all the other socionics relationships are pretty even. Both agree that the relationship is this or that, but they typically don't disagree about how good it is after some time has passed and any initial infatuation has departed.

[Sol]

if you have bad emotions or relations, F types may try to improve them. they better see this and are better in dealing with this
Fi have more accent on emotional comfort, Fe on emotional agitation

it's banal

Maritsa makes a good case of why you should never take socionics too seriously. I feel tired just from reading her posts.

there is objective reality which is described by Socionics. to take reality and truth seriously is good, in general
but not anything in Socionics mb correct. the same about Maritsa's or others' concrete opinions about types

[ooo]

^SEE

(eheh, sorry I meant that for Cool but I think it doesn't fit BS too bad either )

[Number 9 large]

Mission accomplished.

[Aylen]

I've read about EIIs having a healer role (as well as a mediator role) from so many articles. What does this mean? How does this apply?

I don't think I have seen them called that much except by people coming from MBTI. Are these articles on this site or on http://wikisocion.net? I consider both my sisters healers and mediators of sorts. One is EII 9w1 and the other ESE 2w3. The ESE is more interactive with people and probably helps more people through her actions than the EII.

The mediator thing is mostly MBTI INFP and healer thing is Keirsey's INFP and ENFP, which is Fi/Ne and Ne/Fi in that system. I am not sure if there are socionics descriptions like that other than the whole psychologist title which is attributed to EII and IEE by different socionists. I think EII are said to heal LSE. Don't quote me on that. Sol says EII sooth him so I suppose he means some kind of healer affect.

I do like the Princess Diana example but most EII or NFs in general are not in the position to affect that many people. I'ts ok since there is a ripple effect.

[ooo]

today my LSE friend was very down and started complaining about some attitudes others had with him, and then it became a big complaining about his life and everything, at which I replied quite objectively, trying to make him see the situation for what it really was: he showed no empathy for a delicate situation, and people reacted to that. initially he couldn't see his lack of empathy, after an hour of complaining, he realized he really lacked compassion. and then he went back to address everyone of being fake. lol smh

[Beautiful sky]

today my LSE friend was very down and started complaining about some attitudes others had with him, and then it became a big complaining about his life and everything, at which I replied quite objectively, trying to make him see the situation for what it really was: he showed no empathy for a delicate situation, and people reacted to that. initially he couldn't see his lack of empathy, after an hour of complaining, he realized he really lacked compassion. and then he went back to address everyone of being fake. lol smh

How do you take that and envelope it into the rest of humanity? What did you say to brush up His frustrations?

[ooo]

How do you take that and envelope it into the rest of humanity? What did you say to brush up His frustrations?

how did you fail to read what i said to this extent? :/

[Beautiful sky]

how did you fail to read what i said to this extent? :/

What you said was an immediate interpretation “trying to make him see the situation for what it really was: he showed no empathy for a delicate situation, and people reacted to that. ”

Step outside of the immediate.

[ooo]

What you said was an immediate interpretation “trying to make him see the situation for what it really was: he showed no empathy for a delicate situation, and people reacted to that. ”

no

Step outside of the immediate

u first

[ooo]

How do you take that and envelope it into the rest of humanity? What did you say to brush up His frustrations?

sorry I misinterpreted these questions, I'm afraid. thought that "to brush up" meant I was enhancing his frustrations, which is actually possible, some medicines gotta hurt to work.

what happened was that he was acting insensitive towards some hurt people and they decided to punish him, of course that made him feel bad. I tried and tried to explain him what happened, because he couldn't step out of his self-righteousness, they were wrong, he did nothing wrong. and he was so enraged/low/pissed, out of something really really obvious and silly.

what I did was repeating him over and over how what he did hurt other's sensitivity. I could see his points though, because he sure had his rights too, but he couldn't complain about something that was ultimately the result of his little care for a group of hurt people.

after 3 hours (I swear to god) he was repeating the same excuses, I told him "I'm done with this shit." and left. after a little bit he reached me, apologized for his insensitive behaviors, he was truly ashamed. and then it was like a big burden was lifted from his shoulders, because he realized what he did... and that meant he could fix the situation, finally. we spent the rest of the time laughing and being nice, and it was very good.

[Beautiful sky]

sorry I misinterpreted these questions, I'm afraid. thought that "to brush up" meant I was enhancing his frustrations, which is actually possible, some medicines gotta hurt to work.

what happened was that he was acting insensitive towards some hurt people and they decided to punish him, of course that made him feel bad. I tried and tried to explain him what happened, because he couldn't step out of his self-righteousness, they were wrong, he did nothing wrong. and he was so enraged/low/pissed, out of something really really obvious and silly.

what I did was repeating him over and over how what he did hurt other's sensitivity. I could see his points though, because he sure had his rights too, but he couldn't complain about something that was ultimately the result of his little care for a group of hurt people.

after 3 hours (I swear to god) he was repeating the same excuses, I told him "I'm done with this shit." and left. after a little bit he reached me, apologized for his insensitive behaviors, he was truly ashamed. and then it was like a big burden was lifted from his shoulders, because he realized what he did... and that meant he could fix the situation, finally. we spent the rest of the time laughing and being nice, and it was very good.

Still you didn’t brush up His thought. He only decided talking to you was pointless and he stopped

[ooo]

Still you didn’t brush up His thought. He only decided talking to you was pointless and he stopped

lol, so I got you right the first time.. smh

it was me to decide the talk was enough, he came back to me and apologized, today he even thanked me for opeing his eyes, he was feeling 10x better...

but so far I'm aware of your sadistic tendencies to see evil in and put down everyone who you perceive as challenging, for whatever twisted reason, so I'm gonna encourage you to keep thinking wtv evil you wish, hopefully that'll make you and the real people in your life happy : )

[Beautiful sky]

sorry I misinterpreted these questions, I'm afraid. thought that "to brush up" meant I was enhancing his frustrations, which is actually possible, some medicines gotta hurt to work.

what happened was that he was acting insensitive towards some hurt people and they decided to punish him, of course that made him feel bad. I tried and tried to explain him what happened, because he couldn't step out of his self-righteousness, they were wrong, he did nothing wrong. and he was so enraged/low/pissed, out of something really really obvious and silly.

what I did was repeating him over and over how what he did hurt other's sensitivity. I could see his points though, because he sure had his rights too, but he couldn't complain about something that was ultimately the result of his little care for a group of hurt people.

after 3 hours (I swear to god) he was repeating the same excuses, I told him "I'm done with this shit." and left. after a little bit he reached me, apologized for his insensitive behaviors, he was truly ashamed. and then it was like a big burden was lifted from his shoulders, because he realized what he did... and that meant he could fix the situation, finally. we spent the rest of the time laughing and being nice, and it was very good.

Yes you did misinterpret what I was trying to tell you.

You really need to learn to listen to people not as a form of threat but as a form of helping and instructing

1. That he went on for three hours tells me that you do not know how to brush away his feelings. The feelings became obsessive in him.
2. You need to learn to do that if you’re going to continue to be INFJ.

ESTj bad feelings are brushed away with your ethics and your morals. In a similar circumstance I would have said “I believe in patience and forgiveness.”

You see how that works?

When an ESTJ hears that their obsessive reflection stops and reorientation to your values. He then will say “I do too..but this guy and that guy....did this and that...”

I will say again very firmly “Forgiveness will make you a bigger person despite what happened. People forgive and move on. Death brings us all to excuse the petty wrongs by others.”

Now do you understand what Fi is and does for LSE?

And next time don’t walk away from a long rant. You are there to listen

[Beautiful sky]

today my LSE friend was very down and started complaining about some attitudes others had with him, and then it became a big complaining about his life and everything, at which I replied quite objectively, trying to make him see the situation for what it really was: he showed no empathy for a delicate situation, and people reacted to that. initially he couldn't see his lack of empathy, after an hour of complaining, he realized he really lacked compassion. and then he went back to address everyone of being fake. lol smh

This is what happens with me. I absorb the complaints. I don’t instruct in what they should do. I already know they lack empathy and compassion. They look at me like a model. When my husband sees how I behave with my mom he says “you are so caring! I say I’m that way with everyone. “Did you call mom on Easter?” No... why don’t you call her for us. He realizes that I do human relationships better than him and hands me the phone.

If you continue to tell him what to do you sound like his mother, the critical mother

[Muddy]

It means they gotta buy the wards.

[Beautiful sky]

It makes sense that EII are healers. They are naturally attuned to people, are selfless, want others to be well, they like knowledge.

[ooo]

so you can't accept anyone's lack of good manners but those of your husband are allowed because he's an LSE? good way to work with socionics...

also, pls refrain from commenting about things you have no idea about.. it makes you look SEE

[Beautiful sky]

so you can't accept anyone's lack of good manners but those of your husband are allowed because he's an LSE? good way to work with socionics...

also, pls refrain from commenting about things you have no idea about.. it makes you look SEE

So you’re the etiquette instructor lol

That speaks of Gamma

[ooo]

So you’re the etiquette instructor lol

I'm not, I stated the obvious in a situation that he couldn't understand.. because of his innate lack of empathy, which EII should provide.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm not, I stated the obvious in a situation that he couldn't understand.. because of his innate lack of empathy, which EII should provide.

He knows he lacks empathy. LSE are not dumb. They are not venting to get instructions and insight. I’m saying this for your own good. If you want to have a good relationship with an ESTj just listen to them vent and provide affection. -this is providing empathy to him not asking him to have empathy for others. The only word you should ask is “and then what happened?”