Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Reinin dichotomies. Do they even work?

  1. #1
    Magellan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    TIM
    LSI 6w5
    Posts
    43
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Reinin dichotomies. Do they even work?

    What's your opinion? Do they work for you? In my case I don't fit in the 11 dichotomies of any type. Reinin wise I mostly relate to SEI:

    SEI 8
    SLE 8
    LII 7
    IEE 7
    LSI 6
    LIE 6
    EIE 5
    IEI 5
    ILE 5
    ESI 5
    EII 5
    SLI 5
    LSE 4
    ESE 4
    SEE 3
    ILI 2

    For example I don't fit into SEI because I relate to static, aristocratic and result. But with other types it gets even worse.

    The dichotomies in which I fit totally are: yielding, strategist, emotivist, carefree, judicious, result and declaring. The other ones are somehow in the middle.

  2. #2
    Smilex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    The descriptions most widely circulated are pretty bad for what they are.
    They work perfectly.
    But they work related to the ego functions in use. So if you consider what you would prefer or aspire to instead of how you are, or consider based on memory instead of the functions you are using at the time, you will end up seeing matters in the wrong light.
    Last edited by Smilex; 04-22-2019 at 04:45 PM.

  3. #3
    roger557's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Posts
    230
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Some work better than others, and some are not understood/described properly

  4. #4
    What's the purpose of SEI? Tallmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    Finland
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    2,232
    Mentioned
    158 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Have you used the Reinin calculator? It is pretty neat to play with, invented by member Yaroslaav.

  5. #5
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    24,965
    Mentioned
    608 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    Do they work for me?

    Some are not very clear to me
    Some stand out but Iím an N type. Something will jump out at me in a prominent way and every sensory type will find a contribution to what Iím feeling
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  6. #6
    ooo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    the bootie
    Posts
    3,548
    Mentioned
    238 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Skip the first three, those are the same as MBTI traits. Now pick up to 3 or 4 from any of the other pairs. Pick what you are most confident in choosing. You can skip over any that you aren't sure
    http://www.zhilkin.com/socio/en/

    I'm SLE

  7. #7
    Haikus thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    8,113
    Mentioned
    287 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    The main ones worth using are introversion/extroversion, the strength dichotomies, and the quadra value dichotomies (FeTi vs. FiTe, NeSi vs. NiSe).

    These are enough to deduce the type, and most of the other ones are tenuous as described at best. If you're trying to apply the theory, study what works in depth and leave the other stuff.

  8. #8
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    24,965
    Mentioned
    608 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    D2EF0DD6-3788-4E8C-9FD6-E036CBE3492F.png

    I took snapshots of segments that I definitely relate to one has a contribution

    A4546615-AE8A-4CC1-A71B-8931FE3C4605.png
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  9. #9
    Varlawend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    TIM
    ILI-H, 594 sp/sx
    Posts
    79
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quite a lot of interesting work has been done of the Reinin dichotomies, but some remain mysterious.

    Victor Gulenko, for example, has done a lot of work on the semantics of Extroversion/Introversion, Rational/Irrational, Static/Dynamic, Sensing/Intuitive, Logical/Ethical, Process/Result, Central/Peripheral, Positivist/Negativist. He's done some work on Aristocratic/Democratic, Asking/Declaring and Ascending/Descending, but they can still be pretty confusing and mysterious and I wouldn't recommend pinning too much on your identification with them. Certainly the others can be confusing sometimes, such as Process/Result, but usually a large portion of them are clear. You can read about it here as long as you have access to a free online translator: https://socioniks.net/basicknowledge/

    Another interesting source on the Lesser Signs of Reinin (Constructivist/Emotivist, Tactical/Strategic, Farsighted/Carefree, Obstinate/Yielding) is Victor Talanov, and his Model T. He has attempted to analyze them with empirical, statistical methods, though I don't have a deep understanding of the methodology just yet. You can read about it here: http://translate.google.com/translat...i_i_model.html

    And on this site: https://junglove.net/the-yieldingobstinate-dichotomy/

    https://junglove.net/carefree-vs-farsighted/

    Talanov's research and approach are fascinating and unique to my knowledge, but I'm not so sure of his typing methods and thus I do consider his conclusions about these dichotomies to be quite suspect. However, it is still good food for thought as long as you take it with a grain of salt. A total calculus of Reinin dichotomies is a rather suspect methodology for typing to begin with, since we don't really know the relative influence of each one inasmuch as they relate to typical behavior (some dichotomies might just have much more influence on behavior than others), conscious awareness (mostly conscious or mostly subtle and unconscious), and scale of impact (more personal level effects vs. more group level effects, etc.).

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •