Jocko Willink

[EUDAEMONIUM]

I haven't seen anyone talk about Jocko in this forum or any of the MBTI forums. This guy is a beast. There are moments where he seems like the preeminent LSI. There is a conflict with this typing however, one-word people tease him about using too much is "Dichotomy". His book he co-wrote with his business partner and fellow navy seal Leif Babin was titled "The Dichotomy of Leadership". He seems more comfortable with ambiguity than I would expect an LSI, not saying an LSI can't handle any sort of ambiguity, but they wouldn't like it nor would they see that as an integral part of the world. Ambiguity to an LSI is something to clear up. I was thinking LSE but there is no way he doesn't have Se in his ego block. The reason is that his persona is very aggressive, not saying he's always a bully but he seems to view everything as a fight. In interviews, he exerts a lot of aggressive energy. He is an SLE or LSI and I think LSI is more likely.

What do you guys think?












This is him in a casual conversation that wasn't necessarily meant to go on the podcast, I know this and don't just take their word for it since they avoid cursing on the podcast.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

This is an example of him "attacking" the interviewer with lots of Se energy where he almost looks like he's ready to jump out of the chair at any moment.

[Phantom]

Beta logician seems right.

[MrsTortilla]

Making LSI faces all the way. :-)

Also has the heavy LSI jaw - see guy in photo attached.

[Finaplex]

Getting over worked and overwhelmed by extreme responsibility is def a LSE trouble spot. I know several LSE who are pretty aggressive.

At any rate, I'm eating pop corn watching this thread, because I am also curious what people have to say about him.

[golden]

Yuck.

[Finaplex]

Its funny these larger than life Te types being supervised by ILIs.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Just like that other guy was too gay, this guy is way too straight! Disgusting. Stop telling the world you're straight so much, we don't care. Too tough guy ish in a way that isn't really interesting or hot any more. To me anyway. I'm sure there are some gay men/str8 women that will find this sort of thing appealing. I don't see why or how but whatever. He's Tony Robbins-level annoying.

[silke]

Yuck.

Will have to second or third this from Beta NF perspective.

This is an LSE-Si all the way. Whenever someone is acting assertively, that does not immediately make them a Beta ST.

There's Se - and then there are some guys who like to mimic it.

[Aster]

He could be LSE. A really dorky one, I’m kind of embarrassed just looking at him.

[Sol]

ESTP

[Beautiful sky]

He's ESTP or ESFP

[karas]

Check this

[karas]

Positivist type
He say in war you need creativity .And also joe is Ne type . Joe also said that Jocko need to make podcast, and he did it.

[inaLim]

His books & podcast emphasize building connections with people 1-on-1, making accommodations for flawed input from subordinates (within a margin of error) to preserve your relationship & encourage their initiative, and leading by coded suggestion without directly issuing commands or applying force of will.

Most of his criticisms are about premature fixation on a singular course (Ni/Ti), passive attitude and evasion of ownership (Ni), or haphazard use of Se being counterproductive to your career.



Look at how little Fe and Se are in these outtakes, and how indirectly he handles the dude's pen clicking

LSE > LSI

[EUDAEMONIUM]

His books & podcast emphasize building connections with people 1-on-1, making accommodations for flawed input from subordinates (within a margin of error) to preserve your relationship & encourage their initiative, and leading by coded suggestion without directly issuing commands or applying force of will.

Most of his criticisms are about premature fixation on a singular course (Ni/Ti), passive attitude and evasion of ownership (Ni), or haphazard use of Se being counterproductive to your career.



Look at how little Fe and Se are in these outtakes, and how indirectly he handles the dude's pen clicking

LSE > LSI

I think that's true I'm really seeing creative Si in this vid as well lol.

[qaz00]

Se ego, maybe D-ESI-Se

[Sygma]

healthy SLE 8

[qaz00]

healthy SLE 8

There's nothing healthy in turning youself into a discipline obsessed mountain of meat.

[inaLim]

Look at the details

Notice he talks about how it feels to be in that mode. - Se through the lense of some other function.

An antagonistic entity coming against him - Defensive Se

A scenario involving his family, his team, being betrayed - Fi valued or role. Any LSE/LSI/ESI/LIE, or even SLI can tell you what revenge they would enjoy wreaking if it were justified


That is Se serving a rational function. Especially the family and betrayal part. Its show Se for the job and for the money. His past is legit, but his podcast is WWE for wannabe Navy Seals.


But that's only one video, so lets not get carried away. If you're convinced Jocko is SLE, show his Ni quirks and Ni seeking. Show his cringe Fi PolR. Show his Fe & Fe HA. Where can you point out Se, Fe Ha, Fi Polr, all in one video?

Mike Tyson


Notice the ego and self hyping - Se Fe

the open declaration that he doesn't value Si - brutal, viscous, ruthless, etc

the Ni spilling into his rant - I am the living simultaneous reincarnation of the greatest conquerors through all of time

the offensive positioning and possessive Se approach to objects - I want his heart (I am hunting this guy, I am not reacting to pot-shots or waiting for justified antagonism)

the absolutely savage imagery with no regard for Fi "I want to eat his children"

Notice you don't need music or animals to feel the tension of the moment.


This is Se unrestrained by any rational function


That's all in 30 seconds of video. Can anyone do that for Jocko Willink's videos?

[inaLim]

If you need to see less extreme examples of SLE or other enneatypes, I can post more, but I was trying to keep that in the "How to Spot a SLE" thread, not derail this one

[inaLim]

Mike Tyson is as scary as playdough, no offense. I can't take him seriously, the "MY DEFENSE IS IMPREGNIBLE" part made me laugh uncontrollably. And yes, Jocko is even less intimidating.

Intimidation factor is not a reliable way to type someone Se. I don't type people SLE by ranking how intimidating they are, that is often a front, especially in enneagram 6s. I type them by how the IME show up in their speech, actions, worldview, and life choices. Not by archetypes. And all the IME, not just the strong ones. Candid moments, outtakes, bloopers, stream of consciousness rants, heated debates, moments of grief are better for getting a look past a professional or public persona.

FWIW I posted a much longer video of a much less showy SLE with a similar background as Jocko, in the Beta "How to Spot a SLE" thread, but it is very NSFW. Trigger warning etc.

(and yes it was ridiculous. His regular personality outside the ring is the opposite of intimidating: anxious, kitten-like, with a high-pitched voice and insecure body language. But the IME remain.)

[Sygma]

There's nothing healthy in turning youself into a discipline obsessed mountain of meat.

Ti is a bitch, but this guy obviously ain't

That example about Tyson was so bad btw. Guy was at peak unhealthiness, notice the stark difference between this and his one man show, or his bits on podcasts when Tony Robbins is involved

Jocko utter lack of Fi shows in full force when hes talking about methods of combat, the reasons about it and all of that. Even how people with guns should choke people to sleep instead of bashing a dude's head with some part I don't remember the name of. Even thinks police should be taught how to do that, simply because of how "messy" it is otherwise to do the aforementionned bashing, which can lead to unecessary losses. It's not even about the Fi, but the symbolic use of strength, what it should mean. For him its discipline and appropriate responses in scenarios. His principle as a civilian when it comes down to it is to not kill / maim severely, its that easy to understand

Also a firm advocate of Se in general, especially when it comes down to ju jitsu and learning how to do shit in order to be a tool with a wide variety of life skills, and how your decision making as a man should head toward that to make you more "complete". Describes himself as a creature of habits.

Not all SLEs are self affirmating weapons of destruction, in fact the type blooms when using Ti in a more developped way. But they're still Se base at the end of the day