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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    So you think being gay is wrong.

    And there are people who think "being gay is wrong" is wrong.

    You say you should be allowed to express your own opinion and they should leave you alone.

    They're also expressing their own opinions.

    The people that are protesting are expressing their opinions.

    The churches that change their doctrine are doing it out of their own free will.

    And so everybody is happy.

    What will likely happen in the end is that it will split into two religious sects, pro-LGBT Christians and anti-LGBT Christians.
    Christians are less likely to toss you off a roof, or cooking you in motor oil than other groups. If you think there's not a war against the LGBT community then you've been blinded by civilization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    I think aristocratic types have more potential for being homophobic.
    They just hide it cuz of social stigma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Investigator View Post
    My thoughts on human rights is that there are primary (base freedoms) and secondary rights:

    Definition: Primary rights are rights given to preserve equality between physical differences (I know that sounds superficial, but bare with me). This would include rights pertaining to equality of race, gender, physical capabilities (equality for people with physical disorders, or other physical deficiencies), age, etc. Basically anything I can assign to a person based on looking at them (Assuming I have good vision).

    Definition: Secondary rights are less obvious rights pertaining to secondary properties of a human like religion, sexuality, beliefs, nationality etc. Equality here is okay from the government's perspective as long as they don't conflict with base freedoms. For example, it can't be my belief I should be the only human alive so everyone must be "destroyed." We already see this kind of restrictions in our own governments ( the outlawing of pedophilia). So obviously the rights given to secondary properties of a person should be "looser" than the rights given to primary properties.

    The reason why minorities get mad at liberals is that they lump sexuality into the category of primary human differences when I can't look at someone and correctly conclude "their gay." However, you can easily look at someone and tell if their "brown" or if they have have reached a senior age. No disputes are born when defining what someone's primary properties are and what rights should be put into place to preserve equality, but the same can't be had for secondary properties. So it is easy to say issues pertaining to primary rights are much more important that issues pertaining to secondary rights. We can't force people to agree on things pertaining to secondary differences nor can we say discrimination of secondary properties is on the same level as discrimination of primary properties (not saying discrimination of secondary properties should be disregarded, just saying it is not clear cut).

    On the matter of homophobia; first off this is bad use of language. I have never met a person who was afraid of gay people, especially not on the same level as someone with arachnophobia is afraid of spiders. The word has been used to hash people who don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle as primitive people who's social status is that of a racist which is simply crazy if you ask me. People are allowed to disagree with your lifestyle, but still accept you. I can never disagree with the "black lifestyle", because there is no "black lifestyle." However if someone disagrees with someone being gay, they still need to support their voting rights, their right to live safely, etc.

    The only matter to be cared for in regard of gay people is the preservation of their basic/primary rights. Gay people should not be physical harmed because they are gay nor should they be denied work because they are gay nor should they be bullied in general because they are gay. However, it is a secondary property as such you can be denied secondary services (services that are not primary services, like finance, medical aid, food, water, physical living conditions, security, education, transportation, etc) for this property. Owners of businesses pertaining to secondary services like those who accommodate special events (weddings, parties, performances) do have the right to deny service. I mean it is in their best financial interests to accept everyone anyways, but it is still their choice since their beliefs don't conflict with the primary rights of the person they are denying.

    Are also would like to comment on something. If Christian's "punish" people for being gay, they are not acting on Christian principles, as the bible tells them precisely *not* to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    rights aren't real
    Try not to cut yourself on all that edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    rights aren't real
    your mom isn't real

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armalite View Post
    your mom isn't real
    *your [his] face. His mom is so real she has her own moons.

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    God is gay. He also has a really nice ass, though he told me not to envy my neighbor's ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luk View Post
    It can be very tempting to become a moral crusader for the natural order, however you end up defining nature.

    Step 1: you decide what is natural and what is not. Or you read a book. Or you ask someone else if you can't be bothered.
    Step 2: defend nature from any who dare disrespect it.
    Step 3: feel good about yourself.

    I can't say every Christian / religious person is like that, but I've seen enough people who took it upon themselves to defend the natural order against perceived insults. It's very self-righteous, but I think they do it because it feels good to be in the right.


    I must have done it in the past as well. You feel powerful when you defend something, no matter how arbitrary. You also don't get to feel any guilt, because it's selfless.
    The natural order is incredibly gay, unless Satan is making animals sin when they get it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Investigator View Post
    Try not to cut yourself on all that edge.
    it's hardly edgy lol, it's a long-standing claim
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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    *your [his] face. His mom is so real she has her own moons.
    very droll — you made it up yourself this time, or mommy typed it out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    very droll — you made it up yourself this time, or mommy typed it out for you?
    Napoleon over here is enraged and going to enslave my whole town now, oooh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    lt's true many IEEs stick up for gay rights....but then they secretly laugh at the gay guy not being able to play sports well with their SLI/LSE family members.
    Similar to when you talked crap about Eckhart Tolle for his appearance. I remember.

    Stop projecting, BnD.
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    I made fun of Eckhart Tolle before but it wasn't just about his appearance.

    I realize I was way harsh back then (still probably am =/) so I'm sorry if I offended. I deliberately crossed the line many times and I know how provocative I can be. However that was like back in 2011 lol. Me and Eckhart have made peace. =D

    I was not projecting though. IEEs definitely do that- they will like try to be diplomatic to both sides but still very clearly side with the delta vantage point. I don't think they should be held against for doing this, they are deltas after all. I didn't mean it as some harsh insult when I pointed it out though.

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    this is a lie because all betas are gay

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