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    I recall driving somewhere far with an LSE friend a few years back and him mimicking the stereotypical gay and flamboyant gestures and me laughing at his antics and him saying “I have nothing against gay men, MY BUDDY is gay.” That is Delta ST for you. The NFS are “give me people to love on.” But if I were to hear them express negative and degrading comments I would react with moral inappropriateness. I would tell him “it’s rude, unkind, what if YOUR own child was gay would you behave in such a harmful manner?” I would come down hard like Judge Judy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I recall driving somewhere far with an LSE friend a few years back and him mimicking the stereotypical gay and flamboyant gestures and me laughing at his antics and him saying “I have nothing against gay men, MY BUDDY is gay.” That is Delta ST for you. The NFS are “give me people to love on.” But if I were to hear them express negative and degrading comments I would react with moral inappropriateness. I would tell him “it’s rude, unkind, what if YOUR own child was gay would you behave in such a harmful manner?” I would come down hard like Judge Judy
    Yeah this is why delta STs are annoying because they are always needing/wanting consciously or subconsciously these ethical corrections and I have no care to spend life doing this for them. I think this is how they relieve stress and deal with power and hierarchies. Its a way of mocking, yet at its heart not believing their own mocking. Joking, not joking. Sorry, not sorry.

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    Yeah this is why delta STs are annoying because they are always needing/wanting consciously or subconsciously these ethical corrections and I have no care to spend life doing this for them. I think this is how they relieve stress and deal with power and hierarchies. Its a way of mocking, yet at its heart not believing their own mocking. Joking, not joking. Sorry, not sorry.
    I understand your frustrations. It’s certainly a lot of work and management for the ethical types but also the ethical types are understanding and patient so it’s a good exchange.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I understand your frustrations. It’s certainly a lot of work and management for the ethical types but also the ethical types are understanding and patient so it’s a good exchange.

    You would have to be a fucking Saint to put up with LSEs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    You would have to be a fucking Saint to put up with LSEs.

    Haha
    I am patient. I love people. I don’t hold onto being upset. I move on from frustrations easily. I value the bond more than some silly words no matter how meaningful words have an impact on others. To me each person is unique and no one can help it.

    One has to be a saint to deal with ILI not LSE
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Haha
    I am patient. I love people. I don’t hold onto being upset. I move on from frustrations easily. I value the bond more than some silly words no matter how meaningful words have an impact on others. To me each person is unique and no one can help it.

    One has to be a saint to deal with ILI not LSE
    I'm not saying words have anymore, or less impact, and I'm not equaling words with Fe. LSE don't use these types of words for multiple reasons. EII are supposed to be the positivists. EII are supposed to have the Ne optimism. In delta, everyone is expected to at least want to participate in Te and therefore if some reason is stopping you, then something is wrong with you, from the perspective of the the other deltas. This is on a spectrum, we all know the rediculas messy IEE types and their clean up your messes SLIs (or the other way around happens too).

    Grab an oar, we are all paddling. This is a delta motto. And if you can't paddle, then someone will do it for you, but then at least you need to listen to their supreme instructions and do things their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    I'm not saying words have anymore, or less impact, and I'm not equaling words with Fe. LSE don't use these types of words for multiple reasons. EII are supposed to be the positivists. EII are supposed to have the Ne optimism. In delta, everyone is expected to at least want to participate in Te and therefore if some reason is stopping you, then something is wrong with you, from the perspective of the the other deltas. This is on a spectrum, we all know the rediculas messy IEE types and their clean up your messes SLIs (or the other way around happens too).
    Yes the Ne optimism shows up in my words when I say “well at least he’s trying!” Or “well at least he’s a great cook!” Look at the bright side lol
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    Yeah this is why delta STs are annoying because they are always needing/wanting consciously or subconsciously these ethical corrections and I have no care to spend life doing this for them. I think this is how they relieve stress and deal with power and hierarchies. Its a way of mocking, yet at its heart not believing their own mocking. Joking, not joking. Sorry, not sorry.
    I wonder

    Do you joke?

    What sort of humor do you find interesting?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I wonder

    Do you joke?

    What sort of humor do you find interesting?
    The kind that makes me laugh.

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